lakers vs. heat

How can he be cold right now?

0-3 fg.

Well, Kobe not-so-clutch That's kinda weird...but, he's human after all. Great game even thou I didn't saw it. I'll read recaps and stuff.

Just finished, that was a great game. I miss shaq. They asked him what he was thinking when Kobe shot the 3, he said "I knew he wasn't going to make it." And he also said (when asked about coming here as an opponent) "When they designed this stadium I wish they would have made the visiting locker room a little bigger." Great game to watch.

Just finished, that was a great game. I miss shaq. They asked him what he was thinking when Kobe shot the 3, he said "I knew he wasn't going to make it." And he also said (when asked about coming here as an opponent) "When they designed this stadium I wish they would have made the visiting locker room a little bigger." Great game to watch.

haha, Shaq really is very funny

pretty good game, kobe started off like he was aiming for 100 or something, but he cooled down, and never scored after he got shaq out the game..

I may be wrong but going by what I witnessed today it seems like Shaq may be a major part of the problem in LA. I also saw a couple of things yesterday on Classic when it was Lakers Day. Anyways here is my synopsis.

When Kobe extended his hand in acknowledgement Shaq seems as if he doesn't even want to try and be the better person. Kobe even left a voice message this week for Shaq to show that he is trying. Even though Kobe may be somewhat at fault in this whole feud thing he is at least making a feable attempt at trying to mend things. Shaq hasn't tried at all, seems rather childish to me.

Also today they repeated showed the clip from the game I saw yesterday against the Blazers I believe when Kobe crosses over at the top of the key and throws the oop to Shaq who gets the AMAZING one handed oop. Kobe runs over to Shaq to clap hands in congrats but Shaq just keeps moving not even acknowledging just basking in his own glory of the dunk.

Yesterday I saw the Shaq thing on TV also where they showed how he had a great sidekick in Penny and then Kobe but still couldn't work well with them. The media always makes it look like Kobe's fault but Shaq couldn't even make it work with Penny. I mean they went all the way to the finals but because Penny was becoming better than Shaq at the time Shaq left. When Shaq was the mainstay in LA he seemed content. As soon as Kobe became, well Kobe and began to surpass Shaq he is now in Miami. Seems like Shaq likes to get a great guard to help him win titles and then when the guard gets to a point where is he becoming better than Shaq he is ready to leave. Shaq has to have attention like he is insecure or something. When he isn't the center of attention he moves elsewhere. Look at how he tries to be comical and use big words and flash his smile to get attention. He may not be a ballhog but he seems to be an attentionhog.

Today during the interviews with Shaq, Shaq repeatedly makes sly stabs at Kobe but Kobe said nothing negative. Shaq said at the end of the game "I dont need to try and score a lot of points, I just wanted to help us win the game". This is an obvious reference to Kobe. At half time he talks like LA ment nothing because he is no longer there even though thats where he won his titles. Shaq repeatedly makes comments about being "classy" and not a part of the soap opera but he has made most of the negative references.

Lastly when Kobe made the attempts at going to the rim Shaq doesn't seem to go for the ball as much as going for Kobe, he even winked when he hit Kobe the first time like it was planned. I figured that as "loveable" as Shaq is with the media and players that Kobe was the wrongdoer even though I'm an avid Kobe fan. But after watching yesterday and today Shaq seems like the "punk" with all the cheap shots.

Good game, Wade should've drove on the final play instead of taking a jumper, I thought he was waiting to drive to the basket.

Kobe did good early on, but he was taking some bad shots all game including the early times, except for about 3 shots of the pick and roll on Shaq. He was overdribbling and taking bad shots, but he was on fire.

Wade early on was not getting up well and wasn't playing like himself, but he seemed to have an adrenaline kick down the stretch, and started going to the baskets and doing his thing.

Shaq dominated, he got abused definsively on the little pick and roll sequence like always, but he played well manning the paint, and like always their wasn't much to do to stop him offensively.

Christian Laettner should've been abused by the Lakers more, but Odom only started getting the ball in the 4th. He played well offensively, and he played smart defense like he's been doing for the Heat.

Eddie Jones came through in this game, and also in OT, he hit a lot of three's, and made those corner mid-range jumpers in OT.

Odom got on fire down the stretch too, he had the stupid foul on Wade, but he played good on both ends, and was hitting some nice three's. Haslem was backing off him a little too much, I mean I know Odom isn't a "good" three point shooter, but if you give him so much space, he can hit them.

I told my brother, the ball will go to Kobe, and he will miss for the final shot which will be a 3 attempt, I had a 50% chance of being right

When Kobe extended his hand in acknowledgement Shaq seems as if he doesn't even want to try and be the better person. Kobe even left a voice message this week for Shaq to show that he is trying. Even though Kobe may be somewhat at fault in this whole feud thing he is at least making a feable attempt at trying to mend things. Shaq hasn't tried at all, seems rather childish to me.

Kobe may be trying to restore his "good guy" image which he has lost since the rape allegations. Don't believe everything a person says, especially when the person is someone who loses a lot of money in a good amount of time. Kobe obviously wants his sponsors back so he needs to get a good image, again.

Also today they repeated showed the clip from the game I saw yesterday against the Blazers I believe when Kobe crosses over at the top of the key and throws the oop to Shaq who gets the AMAZING one handed oop. Kobe runs over to Shaq to clap hands in congrats but Shaq just keeps moving not even acknowledging just basking in his own glory of the dunk.

Some players don't celebrate that much after a nice play (ex: Tim Duncan) so maybe Shaq was focusing in on the game and not getting carried away. You've "analyzed" too much on the situation.

Look at how he tries to be comical and use big words and flash his smile to get attention. He may not be a ballhog but he seems to be an attentionhog.

Tell us something we don't know.

Today during the interviews with Shaq, Shaq repeatedly makes sly stabs at Kobe but Kobe said nothing negative. Shaq said at the end of the game "I dont need to try and score a lot of points, I just wanted to help us win the game". This is an obvious reference to Kobe. At half time he talks like LA ment nothing because he is no longer there even though thats where he won his titles. Shaq repeatedly makes comments about being "classy" and not a part of the soap opera but he has made most of the negative references.

Kobe and Shaq weren't asked the same questions so you can't really compare the two interviews. During halftime, Shaq said his time in LA WAS great but that he had to move on; that's a professional outlook on the situation.

Lastly when Kobe made the attempts at going to the rim Shaq doesn't seem to go for the ball as much as going for Kobe, he even winked when he hit Kobe the first time like it was planned. I figured that as "loveable" as Shaq is with the media and players that Kobe was the wrongdoer even though I'm an avid Kobe fan. But after watching yesterday and today Shaq seems like the "punk" with all the cheap shots.

Shaq went for the ball a lot in the game (not just against Kob); he even got two goaltending calls. He's trying to be a defensive, inside presence: a good shotblocker. Shaq was physical with Kobe when Kobe tried to get in the lane but Shaq does that with everyone.

Also today they repeated showed the clip from the game I saw yesterday against the Blazers I believe when Kobe crosses over at the top of the key and throws the oop to Shaq who gets the AMAZING one handed oop. Kobe runs over to Shaq to clap hands in congrats but Shaq just keeps moving not even acknowledging just basking in his own glory of the dunk.

this is just dumb lol, did you also see him giving Kobe a piggey back ride

awesome game didn't get to see it though glad miami won and great to see kobe couldn't dunk on shaq

i think its more like Kobe lost it last year, gave bad taste to everyone, now he is coming to say sorry but the pain is too much for shaq to accept his apology.

I dont get to see too many games of the Miami Heat because I dont live in Miami or have cable/satellite. For those who get to see him play more often does he play with the same intensity he played in this game? I mean the man was very active and aggressive, reminded me of an old Shaq - the one in Orlando Magic. He looks quicker too.

When the trade was made everybody thought Shaq will get about 25-27 ppg because he'd play against the weak east conference abut he's only averaging 21 ppg. Could somebody explain me why Shaq isnt getting more points even thought he's shooting 61% from the field ?

Thanks.

coz its a team over in miami not a 1 or 2 man show....everyone has a part plus what ends up happening is everyone double teams shaq and he kicks it out to either 1 of their 3 point shooters or passes it off to another miami player cutting to basket or a quick jumper in the lane.

he is letting 'flash' do some of the scoring. He doesn't care about numbers, as long as the team is winning. He makes his teammates get better shots, he is a force on the defense, it's the intangibles he is doing that doesn't show on the stat sheet.

they dont show nba saturday night games....only thursday and friday's so I missed both....but not bothered cause I really aint bothered abt either of these teams success and misfortune.

But good win for the Heat...but Id like to see the aftermath of this..

When Kobe extended his hand in acknowledgement Shaq seems as if he doesn't even want to try and be the better person.

Why try being the better person now? Why try "fixing" the relationship after all this time? What they had was special, after it's broken you want to fix it? Please. Let Kobe do his thing & let Shaq do his, no need for false "patching up" measures. It's all nice and well that Kobe wants to shake hands and hug like long lost brothers but what's the point of doing it now? Hell, if he'd been less of a bitch in the off-season he could've gone up to Shaq and talked to him then, right? He could've said hey man, stay your ass in LA, we'll win a couple more then you leave in style. Pff, fuck his nice guy image. Bryant does everything for the media, he's playing the good boy for the media nothing more, nothing less.

Kobe even left a voice message this week for Shaq to show that he is trying. Even though Kobe may be somewhat at fault in this whole feud thing he is at least making a feable attempt at trying to mend things. Shaq hasn't tried at all, seems rather childish to me.

Bullshit. To say the least. Why try now? What point does it have? It's not as if they can get together and smoke a cuban sigar together, what's the point of trying to patch things up? Looks like Bryant is just trying to be the good guy for...wow...the media. No need to patch shit up, do your thing and let Shaq do his. Focus on the game instead of cleaning up your image to your fans and the media.

Also today they repeated showed the clip from the game I saw yesterday against the Blazers I believe when Kobe crosses over at the top of the key and throws the oop to Shaq who gets the AMAZING one handed oop. Kobe runs over to Shaq to clap hands in congrats but Shaq just keeps moving not even acknowledging just basking in his own glory of the dunk.

As a Laker fan I can recount numerous times where they were hugging as if they were spooning in the showers so bringing this up is...bullshit.

Yesterday I saw the Shaq thing on TV also where they showed how he had a great sidekick in Penny and then Kobe but still couldn't work well with them. The media always makes it look like Kobe's fault but Shaq couldn't even make it work with Penny. I mean they went all the way to the finals but because Penny was becoming better than Shaq at the time Shaq left. When Shaq was the mainstay in LA he seemed content. As soon as Kobe became, well Kobe and began to surpass Shaq he is now in Miami. Seems like Shaq likes to get a great guard to help him win titles and then when the guard gets to a point where is he becoming better than Shaq he is ready to leave.

Notice when Shaq is the center of attention they keep winning? See championship runs, defense tried to stop Shaq. They focused on stopping Shaq. This made things helluva lot easier for Kobe. As soon as Kobe felt he's the shiznit...and needed to be the focal point of the team, LA lost. Larry Brown figured there was no stopping Shaq. He focused his defense on Kobe. Kobe is a good shooter and all but he lives off of the fact that he can go inside, bang around and throw up some circus shit and it goes in. Fine. He tried that last year but Detroits defense didnt let Kobe anywhere near the hoop. Brown exhausted Bryant by letting him chase around Hamilton. When Bryant was guarding Billups, Billups was burning them. Prince frustrated Bryant with his long arms and the fact that he constantly stayed ahead of him. The few times he did get passed Prince, Hamilton/Billups or anyone else was there to take a charge orso. On few occassions he did get through and made his acrobatic shots and missed he looked at the refs as if, wtf? Gimme a call bitches, pff...you initiate contact. Sit still. You're not O'Neal biatch.

Seriously, if you're too blind to see that a guard can't win championships then I don't know what to say to you anymore.

Shaq has to have attention like he is insecure or something. When he isn't the center of attention he moves elsewhere. Look at how he tries to be comical and use big words and flash his smile to get attention. He may not be a ballhog but he seems to be an attentionhog.

Pff, I'd rather be a attentionhog than a ballhog. As much of an attentionhog he was, he kept his team-mates much more involved and that in return kept them winning. Sure, he might not have averaged 7 to 8 assists but think back how it worked. Shaq is doubled, Shaq kicks it out, that person is open so a defender runs towards him, that offensive players passes to another player whose defender is running away from him and bam, that's 2 or 3 points. Who gets the assist? Offensive player number 1, who created the shot? Alright.

Today during the interviews with Shaq, Shaq repeatedly makes sly stabs at Kobe but Kobe said nothing negative. Shaq said at the end of the game "I dont need to try and score a lot of points, I just wanted to help us win the game".

How is he saying anything wrong? He doesn't have to drop 60 a game for his team to win. Kobe feels he does need to do this, Kobe can get 12 assists a game but the mentality to remain the star won't go away. Even if he has 12 assists, he'll have 35 orso points to go along with it. That's not bad, but what Shaq said is entirely correct, he has Wade to share the scoring load with, remind me how many points Odom's been averaging. From 17.1 points last season to 14.7 this season. Says enough I thinks.

But after watching yesterday and today Shaq seems like the "punk" with all the cheap shots.

To each their own. Everyone sees whatever it is they want to see.

Oh, since some Kobe fans have alot of faith in Bryant dunking on O'Neal, how was that first swat? Nice eh? I didn't see the corvette squashing O'Neal as some suggested, sheesh, I didn't even see them win the game. Despite how good Kobe is, he wasn't good enough. Let it sting.

Heh, I doubt I'd dislike Kobe if it wasn't for his over arrogant fans.

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Shakes head in despair.

Click 2.

We will see a Kobe on Shaq dunk within 12 minutes.

Couldn't help chuckle and think, "Dream on".

Have a nice second day of Christmas folks.

Jackal that was an outstanding post, 100% unadulterated truth.

We will see a Kobe on Shaq dunk within 12 minutes.

Couldn't help chuckle and think, "Dream on".

Yeah I should have known that Shaq rather fouls out then being dunked on.

You should've also known that the dunk wouldn't happen and that Shaq would swat Bryant. Amazing how you knew he'd be dunked on (didn't happen) and that he'd foul out but you didn't know Bryant would be swatted.

You only know pro-Kobe things (which, may I be as bold to remind you...AGAIN, didn't happen...), coincidence? I thinks not.

Tch tch, dying attempts to save face for such a bold statement.

"Watch him dunk on Shaq." Pff...such arrogance.

And Dre, gracias for the words.

Kobe cant dunk of Shaq, thats why when he goes up for a dunk, he has to do all these fakes in the air to get off a shot instead of a power dunk over Shaq or he would get block just like the first play of the game

You should've also known that the dunk wouldn't happen and that Shaq would swat Bryant. Amazing how you knew he'd be dunked on (didn't happen) and that he'd foul out but you didn't know Bryant would be swatted.

You only know pro-Kobe things (which, may I be as bold to remind you...AGAIN, didn't happen...), coincidence? I thinks not.

Tch tch, dying attempts to save face for such a bold statement.

"Watch him dunk on Shaq." Pff...such arrogance.

And Dre, gracias for the words.

Shaq would get embarrased by Kobe if he didnt foul out.

He had more than enough time to do so. Perhaps Kobe just didn't have the balls to do it. Even with Shaq out of the game, he was as cold as a fish.

Remind me how many he scored with Shaq out. Zilch? Yeps.

Dunk on Shaq, Shaq embarrassed, buck up boy, stop living in LA LA Land, this ain't Los Angeles.

Yeah, I noticed that too. And another thing I noticed(relating to something we discussed a few days ago) was gow much the Lakers offense runs through Kobe. I'd like to see how many times, out of all the Lakers possessions, he DID not touch the ball. Because in that game, especially in the second half, the whole Lakers offense was entirely dependent on what Kobe did.

Maybe it was because Caron was out so they went with a slightly different gameplan, but do the Lakers have any plays that don't run through Kobe? I saw very (too) few isolations for Odom, who has greatly underachieved this year, due to the Lakers offense. There were way too many threes taken, and the only time the Lakers really got some points in the paint was when Kobe drew the defense in on a drive.

God help the Lakers if this is how they're gonna play for the rest of the season...

Yeah, I noticed that too. And another thing I noticed(relating to something we discussed a few days ago) was gow much the Lakers offense runs through Kobe. I'd like to see how many times, out of all the Lakers possessions, he DID not touch the ball. Because in that game, especially in the second half, the whole Lakers offense was entirely dependent on what Kobe did.

Maybe it was because Caron was out so they went with a slightly different gameplan, but do the Lakers have any plays that don't run through Kobe? I saw very (too) few isolations for Odom, who has greatly underachieved this year, due to the Lakers offense. There were way too many threes taken, and the only time the Lakers really got some points in the paint was when Kobe drew the defense in on a drive.

God help the Lakers if this is how they're gonna play for the rest of the season...

Unfortunatly, no...even with Caron Butler on the floor the Lakers still run the same offensive plays as you saw on Saturday. Its basicly Kobe gets the ball, waits with the ball...either shoots or goes to the rim for the finish or for a dishout. Earlier on in the season it was basicly the same thing, but it wasnt as bad as it is now. Kobe holds the ball to much Imo and I also would like to see Lamar get opportunities to create for himself as he did against the Sacramento Kings not to long ago.

I think 80/85% of the Lakers points come from outside shots, the only players that finish from inside are Lamar Odom, Chris Mihm and Kobe Bryant every now and then when he decides to take the ball strong to the hoop. I would like to see them run the offense to Chris Mihm more like they did during the season opener against the Denver Nuggets, when he scored 20+ points. Although it seems that he is playing better then ever this year, he can do better Imo and he needs to get the ball more.

Remind me how many he scored with Shaq out. Zilch? Yeps.

ehm...exactly what point are you trying to prove here?

Point I'm trying to make is that if Shaq was in the game, he would've supposedly dunked on him, right? With Shaq out he seemed to have lost all focus and bombed everything.

Point being? Bryant sucks & Shaq doesn't.