Iverson had 54 points

He was lucky tonight, but it was still a great performance. He made like 17 FT's in the game too.

woah thats pretty cool, is that the highest this season??? im about to watch it on sportscenter

edit: just watched it, NBA season high

edit: just watched it, NBA season high

Just beat Dirk's 53.

50 point games

Michael Jordan - 37
Dominique Wilkins - 7
Allen Iverson - 7
Kobe Bryant- 5
Bernard King - 5

^not to mention Wilt Chamberlains number of 50 point games. that one must be huge since he even averaged 50 points for one season.

what's impressive is that he does at as a 6'0 point guard

50 point games

Wilt Chamberlain - 45
Michael Jordan - 37
Dominique Wilkins - 7
Allen Iverson - 7
Kobe Bryant- 5
Bernard King - 5

very very nice peformance by the answerrr

yeah, im glad AIs still able to do it.

btw, Wilts 100 point game should count as 2 50 point games, lol. but damn, 45 is a huge number of 50 point games...though im kinda surprised its not more than 45, i mean this dude averaged 50 points for a whole season...

what's impressive is that he does at as a 6'0 point guard

i kno, Iverson is one of my favorite players, my friends laughed at that back then because he was a ball-hog but i didnt like him cuz of that, i like how he can score and score when taking contact and playing injured for that size

He was lucky tonight

So much luck...54 points...

Yeah but if Wade or lebron had done it, imagine the hype...

Yeah but if Wade or lebron had done it, imagine the hype...

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He was lucky tonight, but it was still a great performance. He made like 17 FT's in the game too.

All nba teams who have won the championship were lucky
Tim Duncan MVP-soooo luckyyy
LeBron-ROY-he had lucky season

He was lucky tonight, but it was still a great performance. He made like 17 FT's in the game too.

All nba teams who have won the championship were lucky
Tim Duncan MVP-soooo luckyyy
LeBron-ROY-he had lucky season

Yea I call lucky when they score 54 pts and their shooting percentage was 39% last season and 40% this season and 3PT% is 26%.

You spastic. Iverson has scored 50 points or higher 7 times. Theres no luck to it, he's a scorer.

Iverson shoots too much though, a PG leading the league in FG attempts, averaging 4+ turnovers and only 7 assists, and shooting 40% and 26% is not really a good thing.

The team is doing worse than their personell would state IMO, but they've been better lately, but Iverson is the definition of ball domination.

Yeah but if Wade or lebron had done it, imagine the hype...

Considering it would be their first 50 point games the hype would be relative, no one really gets impressed by Iverson scoring a lot because we know he'll almost always take 20+ shots, and with his buddies the refs he'll always get to the line, so he's going to score 40 or 50 sometime with those circumstances.

Iverson shoots too much though, a PG leading the league in FG attempts, averaging 4+ turnovers and only 7 assists, and shooting 40% and 26% is not really a good thing.

Yeah such scoring studs like Iggy and Marc Jackson should be the focal point

The team is doing worse than their personell would state IMO, but they've been better lately, but Iverson is the definition of ball domination.

They guy has no real options to goto. Who else can even half create a shot for themselves? Theres no one. Philly has never surrounded him with a legitimate option, so you cant say he is greedy and only cares about his stats or whatever. he plays hard and has never had the chance to show he can really share the offensive load.
Think back to when he dropped 40 recently. He also had 10 assists. If Iverson was as selfish as he is made out to be, why would he be passing the ball when he had a chance for (another) 50 point game?

Considering it would be their first 50 point games the hype would be relative, no one really gets impressed by Iverson scoring a lot because we know he'll almost always take 20+ shots, and with his buddies the refs he'll always get to the line, so he's going to score 40 or 50 sometime with those circumstances.

It's irrelivent whether they've done it or not. When Lebron had 40 last year everyone creamed their pants. Alot of people seem to discount what iverson does, including yourself. "Buddie refs" and "he'll always take 20+ shots". The dude's a scorer, and philly's only scorer. How many players have dropped 50 without taking 20+ shots? If Baron Davis or Corey Maggette scored 54, with shooting just under 50%, would you be critical?

I'm not even going to say anything about the "buddy ref" comment.

I like Iverson. I use to hate him but after all the heart and honor he showed in the Olympics I'm starting to like him. He always plays hard.

And you are right, Camby, he has nobody else to really to help him on the offensive end. Korever can't create his own shot and he's really the only other scoring option they have.

the team is doing worse than their personell would state IMO, but they've been better lately, but Iverson is the definition of ball domination.

they moved him to point guard for a reason this year. eric snow is no longer around to distribute the ball or whatever; and aside from iverson who do you expect to dominate the ball? it is pretty evident that no one else on the team can create their own shot, they need iverson to create opportunities for them -- and frankly I think he's done a pretty good job.

yeah the whole "luck with him scoring 50 is just terrible! Take a look around at who else can score on the team,Korver,Jackson,Iguodala,Dalembert. you tell me who can help ivey out on a nightly basis? granted earlier in his career he chased away Stackhouse and Larry Hughes from the team so he could take the shots, hes learned like MJ did and Kobe will(not takin a shot at kobe but he really dosent have much help around him)that scoring help makes a team better. He is a scorer on a team that has been void of a sidekick for him since they traded away the above mentioned players. One great player makes a team fun to watch 2 makes them legit contenders(especiallly in the east the past few years). you would think the sixers would eventually snag another upper echelon or all star player at some point in his career to help him out but it hasnt happened yet. i guess much like kobe you either hate iverson or love him. and the "buddy refs" comment is a bunch of BS! for what reason would the refs call fouls in his favor, he just attacks the basket,and at such a small size he cant exactly go into someone and win the battle. so what if he embelishes a little bit,hes just doing the most he can with what he has. i guess that last comment has both to do with his size as well as with his team.

Yeah such scoring studs like Iggy and Marc Jackson should be the focal point

Actually Marc Jackson is a very good scorer, but who said any of those gusy should be the focal point, what you just made that out of me saying he shoots too much?

They guy has no real options to goto. Who else can even half create a shot for themselves? Theres no one. Philly has never surrounded him with a legitimate option, so you cant say he is greedy and only cares about his stats or whatever. he plays hard and has never had the chance to show he can really share the offensive load.
Think back to when he dropped 40 recently. He also had 10 assists. If Iverson was as selfish as he is made out to be, why would he be passing the ball when he had a chance for (another) 50 point game?

Willie Green, Marc Jackson, John Salmons, Kenny Thomas, Corliss Williamson, common this isn't a team full of Michael Curry's.

Marc Jackson has always been a very good post scorer it's known, but has had a career hampered with injuries and also playing next to KG for a while. He's also not the best defender or rebounder at the C-F position. Corliss has shown he can score already, the guy is a beast on the post up. KT is also pretty solid in the post in terms of moves, can hit the jumper, and is good facing up and driving. Green we already know can score, most guards that come in the league and are not specialist in terms of defense or shooting [or really raw], can score on their own already because at some point in their career they were probbly main scorers.

Salmons and Iguodala can also score and create for others well too, Iggy also seems to be able to get in the lane at will and make things happen, and when given the oppurtunity he's shown good scoring ability, but he doesn't go out looking to do that.

Korver would be the execption, he has some creative abilities, but is more of a guy that needs to get set up, he's like a lesser Szczerbiak offensively, just can't create as well.


...I don't know how long you've been watching the NBA, but he's had the chance to "share the load", but the team got rid of all those player because they didn't "work well" with Iverson. Stackhouse, Larry Hughes, Keith Van Horn, I think Tim Thomas and Matt Harpring were even around for a while too.

It's irrelivent whether they've done it or not. When Lebron had 40 last year everyone creamed their pants. Alot of people seem to discount what iverson does, including yourself. "Buddie refs" and "he'll always take 20+ shots". The dude's a scorer, and philly's only scorer. How many players have dropped 50 without taking 20+ shots? If Baron Davis or Corey Maggette scored 54, with shooting just under 50%, would you be critical?

I'm not even going to say anything about the "buddy ref" comment.

Okay let me break it down for you, you have a child and he walks for the first time, will you be excited? Yes or no?
Now your son is 5 years old, and he stands up and walks but has been doing it for 3 years or so, will you be excited then

Maggette is a hog at times and hurts the Clippers a lot with his shot selection, takes retarded quick shots and doesn't even move the ball, the offense should run through Brand and Simmons more. Baron takes ill-advised shots and should go to the basket way more than he does especially since he can get their so easily and is strong enough to score or draw the harm.

Please don't do this garbage to me, I don't protect players I like, I'll tell the truth about everyone, what you want me to tell you Michael Redd hurts the team defensively, has been too quick to shoot when coming off screens a lot? Carter has only been there half the games, and though his defense was good for the most part hasn't shown effort and has been attrocious offenively? Arenas plays lazy defense, isn't a true PG but has improved a lot in keeping possesion of the ball and picking his spots?

Iverson scored 50 and shot good, which you'd have to to score 50 most of the time, I never said it was a bad game, but in general through the season he hasn't played "good".
You need shots to score 50 obviously, but I'm saying Iverson takes those amount of shots every game, so he's bound to get hot one game and hit 40+ or those special times 50+.

Let's say I average 23 shots a game, and go to the line 10 times while I shootig 42%. I won't shoot 42% every game, and I won't go to the line ten times every game though, obviously since it's an average. The game I shoot 33% and only go to the line 5 times won't be good, I'll only score 20 points. The game I shoot 50%, and go to the line 20 times, I'll score 39 points or so, so if he's taking those shots every day he will have those games more often than others who don't take that many but are also good scorers.

I don't know if you're ome huge Iverson fan, but it's not a hit at the guy it's just the truth, it's bound to happen that one game he'll hit his shots, or get to the basket for more layups or FtTs, or whaetver. He's never been an efficient scorer anyways, so I don't know what you're whining about.

The comment about the friendly refs is that he's small and when he goes to the basket everything is amplified in comparison to other players. Kobe is another guy who get's that one or two calls a game just because he's Kobe. Watch the games, the bogus calls happen more than not for these guys, if Kobe get's touched a little and misses a layup the ref calls a foul, if it's Lebron, he won't get the call. It's just that these people [refs] are human too, they see a good player on a play they think he should make.

Seriously, if you're the ref and you see the best player on your team miss a layup with little contact, you're much more likely to call the foul. If you see one of the normal guys in the same situation, you're less inclined to call it, it's just being human.

they moved him to point guard for a reason this year. eric snow is no longer around to distribute the ball or whatever; and aside from iverson who do you expect to dominate the ball? it is pretty evident that no one else on the team can create their own shot, they need iverson to create opportunities for them -- and frankly I think he's done a pretty good job.

They moved him to point before Snow left because O'Brien thought it was a good move, Iverson is not a point guard, let's get that straight through our heads.

Actually Marc Jackson is a very good scorer, but who said any of those gusy should be the focal point, what you just made that out of me saying he shoots too much?

Lol a "very good" scorer? I dont think so. If you watch the games with Philly, Iverson sets this guy up more than anyone else. The opposing team is so worried about iverson it allows Marc Jackson to look like a decent player. Look at his numbers after his rookie season without iverson:
4.8 ppg in 01-02
5.5 ppg in 02-03

But then we've seen jumps to 9.4 and a career high of 14.8 this season for Jackson, and thats alongside Iverson, who is supposed to be a selfish ball hog who just dominates possesions.

Willie Green, Marc Jackson, John Salmons, Kenny Thomas, Corliss Williamson, common this isn't a team full of Michael Curry's.

But none of those guys can create for themselves either. Lets go through, player by player:
Willie Green: Shooting 38% (which is worse than iverson). Are you sure you'd want iverson to defer more to this guy?
Marc Jackson: He is an ok Jumpshooter for a big man, but thats it. Iverson has brought out the best in his game but yet thats not good enough...
John Salmons: He too is shooting bad, only 40%.
Kenny Thomas: He has alot of potential but he's only getting 9 ppg and 6 rpg, and shooting 42%.
Corliss Williamson: he too is struggling from the field, only shooting 41%.

With the exception of Jackson, none of these guys are shooting well, yet you think they are studs on the offensive end and Iverson just won't pass them the rock. Bottom line is they are awful.

Marc Jackson has always been a very good post scorer it's known, but has had a career hampered with injuries and also playing next to KG for a while. He's also not the best defender or rebounder at the C-F position. Corliss has shown he can score already, the guy is a beast on the post up. KT is also pretty solid in the post in terms of moves, can hit the jumper, and is good facing up and driving. Green we already know can score, most guards that come in the league and are not specialist in terms of defense or shooting [or really raw], can score on their own already because at some point in their career they were probbly main scorers.

Marc Jackson was hampered by playing with KG, but has excelled when playing iverson. Imagine if that was the other way around..Corliss Williamson is no beast in the post, he's shooting 41%. Thomas has skills but he isnt playing well, and Willie Green can score but shoots a bad %, but when the same is said for iverson he "dominates the ball too much"...

Salmons and Iguodala can also score and create for others well too, Iggy also seems to be able to get in the lane at will and make things happen, and when given the oppurtunity he's shown good scoring ability, but he doesn't go out looking to do that.

You cant be serious about Salmons "creating for others". He's getting 2 assists a game. When Iverson gets 7, its not enough sharing. But when Salmons gets a whopping 2 per contest, he suddenly "can create for others".

Korver would be the execption, he has some creative abilities, but is more of a guy that needs to get set up, he's like a lesser Szczerbiak offensively, just can't create as well.

He cant create at all. He relies on the defense collapsing on iverson to get his shots.

I don't know how long you've been watching the NBA, but he's had the chance to "share the load", but the team got rid of all those player because they didn't "work well" with Iverson. Stackhouse, Larry Hughes, Keith Van Horn, I think Tim Thomas and Matt Harpring were even around for a while too.

I've been a fan since 96. Jerry Stackhouse actually had more shots in his 2nd year (iversons first) than he got in his rookie season. Larry Hughes and Tim Thomas were absolutely nothing when they were in philly, and it would take years before they would develop into anything. Matt Harpring and KVH didn't do much that i can remember, but KVH has akways been like that and Harpring has never really been judged by his offensive game.

Okay let me break it down for you, you have a child and he walks for the first time, will you be excited? Yes or no?
Now your son is 5 years old, and he stands up and walks but has been doing it for 3 years or so, will you be excited then Rolling Eyes

Thats the dumbest analogy ever. You can't compare walking to basketball. It would be like me saying "imagine if you once had a nice car, it used to get 200k/m all the time, but then it starts to struggle. then it hits 200 k/m one day when you least expect it, would yo be excited". its fucking stupid.

Maggette is a hog at times and hurts the Clippers a lot with his shot selection, takes retarded quick shots and doesn't even move the ball, the offense should run through Brand and Simmons more. Baron takes ill-advised shots and should go to the basket way more than he does especially since he can get their so easily and is strong enough to score or draw the harm.

Please don't do this garbage to me, I don't protect players I like, I'll tell the truth about everyone, what you want me to tell you Michael Redd hurts the team defensively, has been too quick to shoot when coming off screens a lot? Carter has only been there half the games, and though his defense was good for the most part hasn't shown effort and has been attrocious offenively? Arenas plays lazy defense, isn't a true PG but has improved a lot in keeping possesion of the ball and picking his spots?

Sure you say all that now, but in those threads that concern them. And you havent spoken the truth about iverson. You've made out his team to be a bunch of real talented scorers that iverson refuses to pass the ball to, which is clearly incorrect.

Iverson scored 50 and shot good, which you'd have to to score 50 most of the time, I never said it was a bad game, but in general through the season he hasn't played "good".
You need shots to score 50 obviously, but I'm saying Iverson takes those amount of shots every game, so he's bound to get hot one game and hit 40+ or those special times 50+.

The same can be said for alot of players. Lebron, Kobe, Tmac, Paul Pierce... virtually all the swingmen, plus Baron and to a lesser extent marbury. The bottom line is its iversons responability to carry the scoring load for philly. If he doesnt, this team won't score over 60 in half their games.

I don't know if you're ome huge Iverson fan, but it's not a hit at the guy it's just the truth, it's bound to happen that one game he'll hit his shots, or get to the basket for more layups or FtTs, or whaetver. He's never been an efficient scorer anyways, so I don't know what you're whining about.

It's not the truth, thats the thing. Iverson Doesnt have quality scorers around him. He is virtually their only option in the half court. And i'm not "whining", im disagreeing with your statements...

They moved him to point before Snow left because O'Brien thought it was a good move, Iverson is not a point guard, let's get that straight through our heads.

Yeah 7 assists just isnt enough. He should be getting 10 assists and 10 points and stand back and watch philly sink to new lows...

Lol a "very good" scorer? I dont think so. If you watch the games with Philly, Iverson sets this guy up more than anyone else. The opposing team is so worried about iverson it allows Marc Jackson to look like a decent player. Look at his numbers after his rookie season without iverson:
4.8 ppg in 01-02
5.5 ppg in 02-03

But then we've seen jumps to 9.4 and a career high of 14.8 this season for Jackson, and thats alongside Iverson, who is supposed to be a selfish ball hog who just dominates possesions.

He averaged 13.2 points as a rookie. In 01-02, he was playing in a frontcourt with Jamison, Danny Fortson and Danny Fortson, what are raw PPG stats supposed to mean, they mean nothing. He played 12.7 minutes and 13.5 minutes those year because he was injured for one, and second he was BEHIND KG that's why I said he played with KG, do you expect Marc Jackson to take KG's starting spot?

It's like bringing out Speedy Claxton's numbers in Philly when playing in a backcourt with Iverson and Eric Snow and being injured then saying J-Rich is making him better

But none of those guys can create for themselves either. Lets go through, player by player:
Willie Green: Shooting 38% (which is worse than iverson). Are you sure you'd want iverson to defer more to this guy?
Marc Jackson: He is an ok Jumpshooter for a big man, but thats it. Iverson has brought out the best in his game but yet thats not good enough...
John Salmons: He too is shooting bad, only 40%.
Kenny Thomas: He has alot of potential but he's only getting 9 ppg and 6 rpg, and shooting 42%.
Corliss Williamson: he too is struggling from the field, only shooting 41%.

With the exception of Jackson, none of these guys are shooting well, yet you think they are studs on the offensive end and Iverson just won't pass them the rock. Bottom line is they are awful.

Again putting words in my mouth, first I said someone else should be the first option by saying Iverson shoots too much for a PG, now by saying these guys have offensive skills I'm saying they're studs offensively.

Willie is shooting bad right now, but is a sub 40% shooter on the normal, he's been doing better lately, no one says he should take 20 shots a game, I'm saying he's not a horrible offensive player.

Ever see Marc Jackson as a rookie? Not just a jumpshooter, but they don't really look to him like they should, so sure, hes' just a good jumpshooter for a big man.

Salmons is like Green, he can score, this is not a question about who should be the teams first option, I'm saying these guys aren't terrible which is what you said.
"They guy has no real options to goto. Who else can even half create a shot for themselves? Theres no one"

Kenny Thomas averaged a double double last season, and shot 46.9% from the field, averaging 13.6 points. 01-02 in Houston he averaged 14.1 points shooting 47.8%, when he first came to Philly he averaged 10-8 and shot 48%, I don't think 9 and 6 is his norm, and I wouldn't call him having potential right now, he's as good as he can be, with touches and minutes a possible 15-10 player.

Corliss has never "struggled" from the field, but that one I'd directly relate to how the team plays, Corliss needs post plays ran for him, you can't drive and dish to him and tell him to shoot jumpshots which is mainly what has been happening.

Playing with Iverson makes every perimeter player has to become mainly not only cause I know you'll give me some post like but the drove this one time...mainly spectators and catch and shoot players. Some players just can't play like that.

Marc Jackson was hampered by playing with KG, but has excelled when playing iverson. Imagine if that was the other way around..Corliss Williamson is no beast in the post, he's shooting 41%. Thomas has skills but he isnt playing well, and Willie Green can score but shoots a bad %, but when the same is said for iverson he "dominates the ball too much"...

I didn't say he was hampered by KG, he was hampered by injuries, and didn't get to play because not many guys are going to get to play much being behind KG in the rotation.

Have you seen Corliss before he came to Philly, their's a reason he won 6th man of the year, their's a reason he's averaged 11.8 points for his career in 23.8 minutes [yes if he played 30+ a game he'd average 15-17, that's 17.5 PP35]. He's shot 49% for his career and this is his first year shooting under 45%. In Toronto he was in the same situation, the team tried to use him at SF, and even make him a catch and shoot player sometimes, when he's a guy who you need to run post ISo's for and will get you 10 points in 20 minutes while shooting 50%.

Last year his number were: 9.5 points and 50.5% FG, 19.9 minutes, per 30 minutes: 14.3 points. His production won't digress as he plays more minutes because he's done it before, he's averaged double digits, and easily would if he was a starter or got 25+ MPG.

You cant be serious about Salmons "creating for others". He's getting 2 assists a game. When Iverson gets 7, its not enough sharing. But when Salmons gets a whopping 2 per contest, he suddenly "can create for others".

Why would you compare Salmons assists numbers to Iversons? First Iverson has the ball 40 times as much, plays 41 minutes in comparison to Salmon's 19 minutes, and Iverson has what, a 1.7 to 1 assists to turnover ratio? What's Salmon's 2.2 to 1, and Salmons isn't even a PG [yes he can play it don't need to be told some useless fact].

He cant create at all. He relies on the defense collapsing on iverson to get his shots.

I wouldn't say "at all" he'll have his times when he makes the move himself, but what you're saying is what I said isn't it? Szczerbiak had been known before as just a shooter and catch and shoot player but he expanded his game to be able to drive and also improved his passing. So Szczerbiak with less creative skills, not as good but in the same mold.

I've been a fan since 96. Jerry Stackhouse actually had more shots in his 2nd year (iversons first) than he got in his rookie season. Larry Hughes and Tim Thomas were absolutely nothing when they were in philly, and it would take years before they would develop into anything. Matt Harpring and KVH didn't do much that i can remember, but KVH has akways been like that and Harpring has never really been judged by his offensive game.

KVH averaged 15.9 points on 48% shooting and grabbed 7 boards, but maybe he was shooting too much. The management said it themselves that they wanted to surround him with defensive role players and guys that don't want to shoot, their's a reason Iverson hasn't had a legitimate second option because he doesn't "work well" with them. I can get you the videos of the interviews or an article or something, I think it was on one of those little basketball documentary type things they have on NBA TV even.

Thats the dumbest analogy ever. You can't compare walking to basketball. It would be like me saying "imagine if you once had a nice car, it used to get 200k/m all the time, but then it starts to struggle. then it hits 200 k/m one day when you least expect it, would yo be excited". its fucking stupid.

Actually the idea is the same, the comparison isn't walking to basketball, the comparison is something happening for the first time being more special than the 7th or 20th time.
I really don't want to be mean but you're stupid if you don't see how it relates. Iverson has averaged 30 points a game, is it special for him to score 30 points? NO!
Even 40 points you'll just be like oh yea it's Iverson that's what he does. Do you remember when he was a rookie, do you know how many comparisons he was getting? Their was mad hype when he did things like that too, you're not going to get overly hyped over an 8 year veteran doing something he's done many times as opposed to a 2nd year player doing it for their 1st or second time.

I don't get how anyone wouldn't understand that.

Lebron James averaged 20 points as a rookie, of course people will get hyped when he does something for the first or second time. Do people get overly hyped now when Jason Kidd get's a triple double? Not really, but if it's someone like Wade, Lebron, J-Rich, whatever yes because we haven't seen them do it yet, please! Telling me it's a stupid analogy

Sure you say all that now, but in those threads that concern them. And you havent spoken the truth about iverson. You've made out his team to be a bunch of real talented scorers that iverson refuses to pass the ball to, which is clearly incorrect.

http://www.nbaliveforums.com/ftopic19540.php

Their's not too many threads on these guys, everything here is about Kobe. Or you can check the All-Star votes thing too on who you picked, East SF's : Hill and Jamison, I mean if I loved Vince so much I would've picked him wouldn't I

I criticize everyone, maybe players, I post on other boards, maybe you can go investigate and see. I won't see Maggette shoot 10-30 and score 30 points and be happy. I won't see Carter standing around while playing Derek Anderson and making him look like a star and say good job. Even when I'm watching Raptor games and Carter would get hot on jumpshots I don't get happy because all I keep telling my brother is this is good and bad because he'll fall in love with it and won't drive now. Or Baron jacking up a three when he can beat his man and get to the basket and make something happen, I just can't praise someone playing because I like them more than others.

The same can be said for alot of players. Lebron, Kobe, Tmac, Paul Pierce... virtually all the swingmen, plus Baron and to a lesser extent marbury. The bottom line is its iversons responability to carry the scoring load for philly. If he doesnt, this team won't score over 60 in half their games.

You mean like last season when they average what, 2.8 PPG less a game without him

Lebron doesn't take that many shots, about 6-7 less considering shots on FT attempts and he's shooting almost 50% anyways, but yes for Kobe and Tmac, they're just about 2-3 less for Kobe, and about 6 or so less for Tmac.
Pierce would be about 4-6 less also considering minutes, he's playing less minutes, so if he was playing 41 he'd be taking more than 16 shots a game definately and probably getting to the line 1 more time on average.

It's not the truth, thats the thing. Iverson Doesnt have quality scorers around him. He is virtually their only option in the half court. And i'm not "whining", im disagreeing with your statements

So it's a lie that Iverson takes a lot of shots and has never really been much of an efficient scorer? Or that the management said that they were trying to surround him with players who wouldn't need the ball [well that can't really be a lie since it happened for the most part].

He doesn't have "take over scorers", like Pierce with Ricky Davis, but that team has enough average scorers to have a more balanced attack, but you're making it seem like Iverson doesn't like it like this.

Yeah 7 assists just isnt enough. He should be getting 10 assists and 10 points and stand back and watch philly sink to new lows...

You really don't understand stats, you just spew out nonsense in terms of stats a lot. EG: Comparing the assists of a guy who plays 20 minutes to one who plays 41 and has the ball much more.
Giving me Marc Jackson's numbers in years where he was injured and also played 12-13 minutes a game and comparing it to him playing 29 minutes.
Corliss Williamson 41% FG
Kenny Thomas averaging 9 and 6, even though he's down what, 10 minutes a game, and his role on the team has been too inconsistent.

Do you know people questioned Marbury being a real PG even though he averaged 20 and 8? He dominated the ball, overdribbled, held the ball too long, and many times he was always the one to either pass or shoot. If he's doing all the handling their's no was he shouldn't be getting 8 assists.

Iverson is averaging 7.3 asssits and 4.27 turnovers that is probably worst in all starting PG's in the league. Iverson is not even in the top 50 in assits/turnover ratio. His assits to bad pass ratio is 2.8 assists to one bad pass, even the worst PG's have at least 3.6 or higher as an assist to bad pass ratio.

I don't even know why this is beng discussed, I have no problem with Iverson, good player, and outs his all out there.

Damn thats a long post lol, AI poured in 51 points, 7 steals and 6 assists but got fouled off in the dying seconds so Willie Green took the final shot of the game and missed so 76ers lose to the Jazz by 2.