Get Ready for Another Mediocre Season, Fellow Knick Fans!

I think they will have a decent season and being in the east they possbly will be in the playoffs this year.

Which is exactly their problem. Being in the playoffs to lose in round 1 should not be enough for a team, but Knicks management has been content with that for a few years now, it seems.

I think they will have a decent season and being in the east they possbly will be in the playoffs this year.

Which is exactly their problem. Being in the playoffs to lose in round 1 should not be enough for a team, but Knicks management has been content with that for a few years now, it seems.

That's been the problem since they won the title in 1973. Knicks have always had short-sighted management. As long as they fill the seats at MSG in late spring(and make money), they're happy. It gives them an excuse to fleece us more. They're not willing to suffer through several painful years of rebuilding(it might hurt ticket sales). Until we get smart basketball people here, this team will be mediocre for many years to come.

i see them ending up in the bottom half of the east playoffs with a quick exit to follow.

Lol, nash and joe johnson better than Marbury and Houston? heheh..

Isiah has done a great job imo. This team was in quicksand before he came in as gm. If there wasnt a marbury deal, the knicks would have had to watch mcdyess walk out the door through free agency, so they go Marbury for Lampe and a furture first round pick? And you think thats a bad deal on Isiah and the knicks half? I know they also had to take on penny's contract, but the knicks were well over the cap anyway.

Isiah is a great GM. Not the best, not perfect, but a top 5. If Vin Baker resurects his career, or Tim Thomas wakes up, and Houston is healthy, this knicks team could be dangerous...

RuffRyder was talking about a Starbury + Crawford not Houston

Heres the bad part about the Marbury deal....he didn't even give Lampe a chance to prove himself. Big mistake when you don't do that when someone has a whole heap of potential, this will all blow of up in their faces.

Isiah a great GM? well he sure as hell did an enviable job of getting a legit big man didn't he? I'm sure teams will fear Mohammed and Thomas. But who needs big men when you have to ball hogs, one who is very inconsistent at that in Marbury and Crawford and not only that but you have Allan Houston- if he decides not to screw up his knees- whom can't do nothing except shoot. He's a totally useless player w/o the ball. Sure enough Tim Thomas will surely tap into his potential eventually. BIG IF here. Vin Baker? BIG IF. Houston? Let's just get him onto the court

This team just doesn't look good at all. No defensive stoppers, trigger happy backcourt and injury problems not to mention chemistry problems that look like a possibility.

Also, 5 better GM's than Thomas

Joe Dumars- built a champion from a mediocre team in under 5yrs
Jerry West- turned the Grizz into a playoff team after eternal suckiness
Kiki Vandewghe- made some bold moves but now has a pretty damn good team
whoever runs the Spurs- built a championship around Duncan that doesn't have ridiculous contracts
Cleveland GM- nicely got rid of Davis, got McInnis, Snow and recovered well from the Boozer mishap. He's put a nice team around Lebron

Well Houston is a part of their backcourt.. I'd still take marbury and crawford over nash and joe johnson.

Heres the good thing about the deal: Marbury is as close to a superstar point guard in the nba right now. Lampe has shown NOTHING so far. It would be like if Joe Dumars could trade Darko for kg, of course he would. Darko might become somthing really good, but chances are he wont end up in the same class as kg. If, IF, lampe turns out better than marbury, then ill concede it was a bad trade. But as of right now, im sticking to my guns and ill say it was a very good deal for new york.

And yes, I see they didnt get a big guy. But if they did im sure there would be people saying "well new york screwed up again, they gave up their second round pick in a sign and trade to get him". I would have loved to seen dampier in new york. But jerry west didnt get him either, does that mean west is a bad gm? Absolutely not.

Allan houston isnt worthless without the ball. Teams have to respect his shooting and cant double off him, which helps out marbury alot. Houston is as one dimensional as richard hamilton.

Reasons why I think Thomas is a great gm: He hasnt even had one season at the helm. He didnt have a number 1 or number 3 overall pick to work with that gave him instant results. He got Marbury for next to nothing, and turned a team that was going nowhere into a team that is at least capable of making the playoffs now. I know the cap situation was bad, but it was bad before thomas was gm. And this team does have the ability to get better.

Two pics Tales took from gettyimages.com....

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Vin Baker, thin and slim as hell... maybe a comeback this year?

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JYD took care of his funky front teeth...

Last edited by Bill Russell on Fri Oct 08, 2004 4:20 pm, edited 1 time in total.

Well knicks fan

at least your not the clippers or sonics or any team like that

i see them ending up in the bottom half of the east playoffs with a quick exit to follow.

At best...

To quote the great Mr T

Great logical observation, smartarse

Well Houston is a part of their backcourt.. I'd still take marbury and crawford over nash and joe johnson.

Heres the good thing about the deal: Marbury is as close to a superstar point guard in the nba right now. Lampe has shown NOTHING so far. It would be like if Joe Dumars could trade Darko for kg, of course he would. Darko might become somthing really good, but chances are he wont end up in the same class as kg. If, IF, lampe turns out better than marbury, then ill concede it was a bad trade. But as of right now, im sticking to my guns and ill say it was a very good deal for new york.

And yes, I see they didnt get a big guy. But if they did im sure there would be people saying "well new york screwed up again, they gave up their second round pick in a sign and trade to get him". I would have loved to seen dampier in new york. But jerry west didnt get him either, does that mean west is a bad gm? Absolutely not.

Allan houston isnt worthless without the ball. Teams have to respect his shooting and cant double off him, which helps out marbury alot. Houston is as one dimensional as richard hamilton.

Reasons why I think Thomas is a great gm: He hasnt even had one season at the helm. He didnt have a number 1 or number 3 overall pick to work with that gave him instant results. He got Marbury for next to nothing, and turned a team that was going nowhere into a team that is at least capable of making the playoffs now. I know the cap situation was bad, but it was bad before thomas was gm. And this team does have the ability to get better.

I don't have a problem with IT trading Lampe for Marbury. Although, wouldn't it have been wiser to trade him AFTER seeing what he can do.

Take Milicic, if he never player for Detroit and JD traded him somewhere and he turns out to be a great player then I would feel bad as a fan. I know that he isn't good atm so trading him now wouldn't make me as unhappy as trading him if i didn't see what he had to offer.

When I said that Houston is worthless with out the ball I meant that he doesn't do anything else (rebound, hustle etc). Sure teams will play him because he's got a great shot on him. Yes he's one dimensional like Hamilton but Hamilton is young, on the rise and injury free and the perfect team player.

For NY to succeed I think they need to start from scratch. How many players do they have that hustle? How many defensive stoppers? How many pass first players? Individually this is a talented group but they need to put it together as a team. Thomas needs to start getting rid of those huge contracts and getting cheap but effective players.

atleast they didnt have to move west like new orleans did. they went from playoff team to worst in thier division imo.

JYD took care of his funky front teeth...

Long live photoshop!

I don't have a problem with IT trading Lampe for Marbury. Although, wouldn't it have been wiser to trade him AFTER seeing what he can do.

Take Milicic, if he never player for Detroit and JD traded him somewhere and he turns out to be a great player then I would feel bad as a fan. I know that he isn't good atm so trading him now wouldn't make me as unhappy as trading him if i didn't see what he had to offer.

When I said that Houston is worthless with out the ball I meant that he doesn't do anything else (rebound, hustle etc). Sure teams will play him because he's got a great shot on him. Yes he's one dimensional like Hamilton but Hamilton is young, on the rise and injury free and the perfect team player.

For NY to succeed I think they need to start from scratch. How many players do they have that hustle? How many defensive stoppers? How many pass first players? Individually this is a talented group but they need to put it together as a team. Thomas needs to start getting rid of those huge contracts and getting cheap but effective players.

They did wait, well 2 months lol. Sure they didnt give lampe a real chance, but regardless, they got marbury. If Chicago could've traded Hinrich for Stephon I bet they would have as well. Like i said before, if lampe turns into a gun of a player, better than marbury, then ill agree that it wasnt a smart trade. I dont think that will happen tho

New York does have a few hustle players. Kurt Thomas plays hard defensively and is a team first guy, as is JYD. Shandon anderson and Penny are also team first players. And marbury does play hard.. I've never seen a player go from getting so much credit to being so criticised so quickly. His assists have gone up since he has been in new york, but now all of a sudden people view him as a "ball hog", when in phoenix he was a "team leader"?

And New York can't start from scratch. Houston makes alot of money, as does tim thomas(before you say thats isiahs fault, he was traded for kvh who had the same contract i believe), shandon anderson makes a bucket load as well. Penny comes off the books next season, but they would been way over the cap, with or without that marbury deal. Remember Charlie Ward and Howard Eisley's contracts were dealt away, as were clarence weatherspoons.

What really puts NY in a big hole is that they are way over the cap but can't make any FA moves because of those huge contracts. That means they are stuck to trading and not to many teams want a few "What if" players who haven't developed as much as they had hoped. I don't know what Isaiah will do, but I think he may have to trade one of his 2 stars in a package deal to atleast get something to happen.

And about starting over all I have to say is " " How do you start fresh when you are 58 mil over the cap? Definitely by not resigning anyone.

Isiah Thomas is waving $55 million under your nose, you don't sweat the details.

Holy Fuck! 55 Million Over the Cap! Good shitz0rz!

And about starting over all I have to say is " " How do you start fresh when you are 58 mil over the cap? Definitely by not resigning anyone.

So they should just let all their players go? The Knicks are in a hole, but they were in a much bigger hole without isiah thomas. At least this team has a chance to do somthing now.

they are in an even bigger hole if these bunch of players don't work out

Lol, yes, that is true. But I think they make the playoffs unless marbury gets injured. Marbury alone should be able to get them in the bottom part of the east by himself.

If the Knicks were to rebuild it would be really hard. Really the only person to keep is Marbury, but I say move him to SG and make him your primary scoring option. If you want him to be your primary scorer trade somebody for a PG and move him to SG.

I don't know who they would trade, personally I would trade Houston, Crawford and Thomas. Try to get myself a starting center and move Mohammed to the backup role. Try to get a PG that distributes not shoots. And try to land a SF to replace Thomas, basically anybody .

I really don't know and I don't care much either, I have my team to worry about right now...

I've done extensive arguing over this before, I'm sure you remember Cambyman , and I still stand where I was. Isiah made a big mistake, with or without Lampe. I think the Knicks will make the playoffs, but they won't make it out of the 1st round. And 3 seasons from now, I believe they will begin to head downhill.

Yes that arguement was a good one back in the day.. But I cant see how new york didnt benifit from getting Marbury (both now and in the future) and how Phoenix got the "better deal" considering they got Nash. Who would you rather? Nash or Marbury?

I can see how anyone can say the Knicks are gonna suck coz there well over the cap, yes we do have some high priced players but afew years down the line these contracts will be gone and the Knicks will ba able to go after whoever they want.In two years time Norris's Tim Thomas's and Penny's money will be coming off the payroll, i cant see penny around in two years and if TT resigns with the knicks then it will only be for around 6 million a year which imo if well worth it. Also in two years time Houston will only have 1 year left on that monster deal which would make him very nice trade bait to a team looking to lift alots of money ready for the off season. And on top of all that Anderson's either gonna be bought out or traded sometime soon so whatever they have to pay to buy him out should be off the books in two years or so.
As a knick fan iam not worried one bit about the season ahead even tho the knicks have dropped the last three preseason games guys like Trevor Ariza and Mike Sweetney have shown that they are players for the future.

The knicks imo have a nice bench overpriced yes but still a good one so when Houston's back in the lineup and the team gels who knows what could happen.

Id say the knicks will lead the division and make the playoff.

Yes that arguement was a good one back in the day.. But I cant see how new york didnt benifit from getting Marbury (both now and in the future) and how Phoenix got the "better deal" considering they got Nash. Who would you rather? Nash or Marbury?

Nash, he will look to pass first. Marbury shouldn't even be a PG.

stfu you're a nets fan

Nash, he will look to pass first. Marbury shouldn't even be a PG.

So, you would rather Rick Brunson than Allen Iverson?