Dee4Three wrote:cavs4872 wrote:Bloody murder for the Raps; good for them - they get Green and the pick is protected (not a huge deal, but just another plus for them)?!
Might end up benefiting both teams.
... And I just read the part he doesn't want to play in Toronto; that about balances it.Andrew wrote:On the other hand, it will clear plenty of cap space and allow them to start over if Kawhi walks. They seemed to have peaked as a team that's really good to great in the regular season, but mediocre come Playoff time. Kind of reminds me of some of the Hawks teams from the 90s, if I had to make an historical comparison.
Or even the 2015 Hawks.
I don't agree with this at all. Not only did the Spurs get a primed Demar Derozan, but THEY (You said the Raptors did) received a protected first round pick (1-20), and an underrated Jakob Poeltl. He is 22, and hasn't hit his ceiling. He played inspiring basketball last season in limited minutes, and plays a position that the Spurs sorely needed support at (Center). Pau's aging body was playing extended minutes last season, and when he was out they were playing Bertans (Poor defender/rim protector/rebounder). This move possibly allows Pau to play off the bench, or atleast get extended rest.
The move allows the Spurs to stay competitive now, while also building for the future. I think this was the best deal they could have taken, considering the circumstances. Derozan may be unhappy that Toronto traded him (rightfully so), but he will report to the Spurs and will fit in nicely in that system. As far as the Raptors go, so many questions exist. One, will Leonard play his heart out for a team he doesn't want to play for? Will he be 100% healthy? Will they have enough success to sway him to sign longer term? Danny Green is on the back-end of his prime, but will help the Raptors (He is 31).
More questions exist for the Raptors than the Spurs in this one, and I think both teams potentially won this deal. We will have to reflect on it again after this season, but I like the deal for both teams at the moment (Assuming Leonard reports to the Raptors and plays hard/is healthy)
air gordon wrote:wonderful trade for the raptors. team peaked last year and now they are contenders again (well assuming leonard is on board and healthy). demar and just a rotational big (and get to keep wright, OG) was worth the risk in landing a legit MVP candidate
Sauru wrote:if he walks and they dont win it all this season it will back fire big time. this has already pissed off most of their fans and trading the 1 player who seemed to be happy playing for your team is not going to do much in helping them sign free agents. of course a ring erases all pain but there is zero chance that is gonna happen. they aint even making the finals without some serious injuries
Sauru wrote:air gordon wrote:wonderful trade for the raptors. team peaked last year and now they are contenders again (well assuming leonard is on board and healthy). demar and just a rotational big (and get to keep wright, OG) was worth the risk in landing a legit MVP candidate
if he walks and they dont win it all this season it will back fire big time. this has already pissed off most of their fans and trading the 1 player who seemed to be happy playing for your team is not going to do much in helping them sign free agents. of course a ring erases all pain but there is zero chance that is gonna happen. they aint even making the finals without some serious injuries
Sauru wrote:if he walks and they dont win it all this season it will back fire big time. this has already pissed off most of their fans and trading the 1 player who seemed to be happy playing for your team is not going to do much in helping them sign free agents. of course a ring erases all pain but there is zero chance that is gonna happen. they aint even making the finals without some serious injuries
Andrew wrote:but that's a tougher sell after trading away one of the most loyal players in the history of the franchise.
I remember when Bryan Colangelo and Sam Mitchell told me I wasn’t getting traded from Toronto, and Sam saying “if Micheal Jordan comes out of retirement is the only way we trading you” Literally the next day I was traded to Milwaukee.
shadowgrin wrote:Former Raptor Charlie Villanueva snitching again:I remember when Bryan Colangelo and Sam Mitchell told me I wasn’t getting traded from Toronto, and Sam saying “if Micheal Jordan comes out of retirement is the only way we trading you” Literally the next day I was traded to Milwaukee.
Sauru wrote:air gordon wrote:wonderful trade for the raptors. team peaked last year and now they are contenders again (well assuming leonard is on board and healthy). demar and just a rotational big (and get to keep wright, OG) was worth the risk in landing a legit MVP candidate
if he walks and they dont win it all this season it will back fire big time. this has already pissed off most of their fans and trading the 1 player who seemed to be happy playing for your team is not going to do much in helping them sign free agents. of course a ring erases all pain but there is zero chance that is gonna happen. they aint even making the finals without some serious injuries
Sauru wrote:i am not saying they have a chance to win it all i am saying its the only way this trade is not monumentally stupid for the raptors. wtf trades away their only loyal superstar in the teams history for a 1 year rental? winning a ring makes everything ok though.
NovU wrote:Kawhi deal makes the Celtica fans upset now now. The Raptors to Finals, I love this trade. New king has arrived in east lol.
Sauru wrote:NovU wrote:Kawhi deal makes the Celtica fans upset now now. The Raptors to Finals, I love this trade. New king has arrived in east lol.
what celtics fan is upset over this? if anything celtics fans are very happy about this. i dont know a single person from boston who wanted to see him land in LA with lebron
Andrew wrote:I mean, if we want to look back and smugly chuckle at predictions and conjecture that didn't pan out, we also need to point out certain predictions about players like Cameron Payne. I don't think any of us are perfect from the field at this point, and hindsight is 20/20, as the saying goes!
Leonard and Robertson have never openly addressed why the three-time All-Star requested a trade from the Spurs last offseason. For much of the 2017-18 season, Leonard battled a right quad injury and it limited him to just nine games.
Over time, the Spurs’ medical staff cleared him to play. Leonard sought a second opinion from an outside source and it was recommended that he continued rehabbing. The organization’s position caused teammates to question if Leonard had ulterior motives. That — along with constant leaks to the media detailing how frustrated the Spurs were with the ordeal — was the beginning of the end of a relationship that had otherwise been relatively healthy for six years.
Robertson revealed why it was time for Leonard to go elsewhere.
“I think it just became a lack of trust,” Robertson told Yahoo Sports. “They didn’t believe Kawhi couldn’t play and that caused a lack of trust in us and then us not believing in them. Any time a player says he’s not capable of playing, you should believe him. Why would Kawhi just stop playing all of a sudden? He’s a competitor. Sometimes you get these team doctors telling you what you can and cannot do, and Kawhi was just in too much pain to get out there. This was a serious issue. They didn’t believe him, and after that, the relationship couldn’t recover and we decided we had to move on.”
As reported at the time, Leonard originally wasn’t keen on relocating to Toronto, but Robertson explained Leonard’s thought process at the time.
“When you are initially traded somewhere you didn’t asked to be, you don’t want to accept it,” Robertson told Yahoo Sports. “But once you get through that period, the focus then turns to giving your all and performing at a high level. It never had anything to do with the city of Toronto. It wasn’t. Toronto is a beautiful city. Kawhi has often spoke highly of Toronto. It’s a beautiful place. That was just an initial reaction, which is normal. But we’re enjoying this run and looking forward to the Finals.”
Andrew wrote:I mean, if we want to look back and smugly chuckle at predictions and conjecture that didn't pan out, we also need to point out certain predictions about players like Cameron Payne. I don't think any of us are perfect from the field at this point, and hindsight is 20/20, as the saying goes!
But yes, the deal has worked out splendidly for the Raptors.
DeRozan has fit in with the Spurs...
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