bongo88 wrote:Dee4Three wrote:I CAN state that it's a step back, and I can give all of my reasons again.....Nobody asked for those silly, unrealistic implementations, not one person.
Once again, i have no problem you stating your displeasure. That is your opinion. But to extrapolate you opinion onto the millions of the userbase is a bit much. How exactly do YOU know that NOBODY in the millions of the millions of the userbase asked for "silly, unrealistic implementations". You have labaled things as silly, unrealistic implementations. Thanks for telling millions what they think. simply put, it is hyperbolic.Dee4Three wrote:NBA 2K17 was a completely finished product, a polished product. 2K18 was released as a finished product, though not finished and all sort of out of whack (even you are stating that the devs are admitting this, that the motion system is out of whack).
I am not sure why you are all worked up. 2k17 was a product (according to my views) that had completed their goals within their dev cycle. You enjoy to gloss over its flaws so i shall quote yourself:Dee4Three wrote:I only play offline, and I prefer NBA 2K17 ten fold. While yes, brick wall defense is a little much, and the game is not without its issues (too many body steal/body blocks, questionable defense by the CPU at times) it has far less gameplay issues than 2K18.
First, you acknowledge the problems within 2k17.... then you state your opinion that 2k17 has less gameplay issues than 2k18. that is your opinion. i have no problem that being your opinion. But why do you extrapolate you opinion to millions of users?Dee4Three wrote:NBA 2K17 was a completely finished product, a polished product. 2K18 was released as a finished product, though not finished and all sort of out of whack (even you are stating that the devs are admitting this, that the motion system is out of whack).
Now, if 2k17 had problems, then how was it a "completely finished product, a polished product"? If it was a finished, polished product, then why is 2k sports making changes to basic systems? Perhaps the mic should drop, they should walk off stage, and leave the crowd stunned with 2k17. But they didn't. They felt like could improve the game. Thus, they keep developing. to paraphrase myself: they reached the goals of the old dev cycle and are starting new goals in a new dev cycle.
It is better to say that 2k17 reached the dev cycle goals and they have new goals that they feel like they can reach. Not sure how you are getting worked up about that.Dee4Three wrote:Exactly, so heres the truth. NBA 2K17 was a completely finished product, a polished product. 2K18 was released as a finished product, though not finished and all sort of out of whack (even you are stating that the devs are admitting this, that the motion system is out of whack)....
So we have a fleshed out, clean 2K17, and a WIP 2K18 that was released.
Glad you have realized that 2k18 is an alpha/beta build. Lots of lots of developers do that, release unfinished work to community. It is called marketing.
here is ubisoft marketing compared to released project: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xNter0oEYxc
to quote myself again:bongo88 wrote:Perhaps gamers shouldn't pre-order. Perhaps they should try a game before purchasing. Perhaps they should be a knowledgable consumer base.
Last point:Dee4Three wrote:
So we have a fleshed out, clean 2K17, and a WIP 2K18 that was released. That's what created the gameplay of 2K18 being a step backwards from 2K17, Bongo. you are basically saying that the gameplay took a step back from 2K17 because they are experimenting with a new system (dev cycle).
Again, with any alpha build, a person must wait until development cycle is finished to see if becomes a good thing or a bad thing. I am not basically saying that the gameplay took a step back from 2k17. I SAID THAT 2KSPORTS IS HEADING IN A DIFFERENT DIRECTION WITHIN THIS DEV CYCLE. Again, please stop twisting my words. for the record, i hate 2k17 gameplay (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tvxbgSSw2EI) and enjoy the direction that 2k18 is bringing.
Quite a few grandiose claims are kept undiscussed.
Dee4Three wrote:It didn't take a "prophet" to realize that you far preferred 2K18 over 2K17
And, nobody is twisting your words Bongo.
I never said it wasn't an alpha/beta build, so acting like I finally admitted that is very misleading. And was a pointless statement.
But, it's pretty clear we have exhausted the conversation. So moving on.
We have not exhausted the conversation until you reply to the above. But, feel free to tuck tail and run. You have the right to do that.