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Re: Classic NBA Video and Discussion Thread

Postby sticky-fingers on Sat Jan 27, 2018 8:38 pm

Thank you, you're right, kind of "home refereeing" but the C's win :mrgreen:
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Re: Classic NBA Video and Discussion Thread

Postby Jeffx on Sun Jan 28, 2018 12:14 am

Andrew wrote:Agreed. I guess we're all partial to the designs we grew up with.


Exactly. Same thing applies to judging who's the GOAT. Younger fans think it's Jordan, I think it's Wilt, my father goes with Oscar. It's all subjective.

My top 15 -
Wilt
Jordan
Oscar
Russell
Kareem
Magic
Bird
West
LeBron
Duncan
Hakeem
Shaq
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Kobe
Dr. J
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Re: Classic NBA Video and Discussion Thread

Postby sticky-fingers on Sun Jan 28, 2018 2:28 am

No, younger fans think it's Lebron :cheeky:
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Re: Classic NBA Video and Discussion Thread

Postby Andrew on Sun Jan 28, 2018 12:34 pm

See, I'm torn. I say it's MJ, but I'm also all in favour of 33 still being considered a "younger fan".
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Re: Classic NBA Video and Discussion Thread

Postby Dee4Three on Tue Jan 30, 2018 3:09 am

My top 25 -

Michael Jordan
Larry Bird
Magic Johnson
Bill Russell
Wilt Chamberlain
Hakeem Olajuwon
Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
Oscar Robertson
Julius Erving
Charles Barkley
Kobe Bryant
Jerry West
Isiah Thomas
Shaquille O'Neal
Clyde Drexler
Karl Malone
Dirk Nowitzki
Allen Iverson
Bob Cousy
John Stockton
David Robinson
Rick Barry
Moses Malone
Elgin Baylor
Patrick Ewing
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Re: Classic NBA Video and Discussion Thread

Postby Dee4Three on Tue Jan 30, 2018 3:45 am

Not super classic, but still close to 4 years ago.

Melo goes off. Funny to see the defenders legs shaking when he has them in the torture chamber. There is a reason that Pierce said he was the hardest player he ever had to defend.

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Re: Classic NBA Video and Discussion Thread

Postby Jeffx on Tue Jan 30, 2018 11:08 am

sticky-fingers wrote:No, younger fans think it's Lebron :cheeky:



Yeah, but those young cats who would put LeBron at #1 have no knowledge of NBA history.

Look at Dee's list - we can agree to disagree about the GOAT, but I can tell the dude knows his stuff. For me, any top 10-15 list without the three great centers (Wilt, Russell, Kareem) plus Oscar & West isn't legit.

As for Rick Barry, people don't realize how great he was because he was suck a jerk. I remember this quote about Barry from an NBA Lifer - "the only difference between Rick Barry and Larry Bird is people liked Larry Bird". And of course, I still remember his "watermelon grin" comment to Bill Russell.

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Re: Classic NBA Video and Discussion Thread

Postby Jeffx on Tue Jan 30, 2018 11:09 am

Dee4Three wrote:Not super classic, but still close to 4 years ago.

Melo goes off. Funny to see the defenders legs shaking when he has them in the torture chamber. There is a reason that Pierce said he was the hardest player he ever had to defend.

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I'm so glad he's gone from the Knicks.....one of the most overrated stars I've ever seen in the NBA. Not a leader at all. I feel like slapping these Knick fans on social media who consider him an all-time Knick. He's not in the same universe with Clyde, Willis, Pearl, Patrick & Bernard.
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Re: Classic NBA Video and Discussion Thread

Postby sticky-fingers on Thu Feb 01, 2018 12:55 am

Jeffx wrote:
sticky-fingers wrote:No, younger fans think it's Lebron :cheeky:



Yeah, but those young cats who would put LeBron at #1 have no knowledge of NBA history.

Look at Dee's list - we can agree to disagree about the GOAT, but I can tell the dude knows his stuff. For me, any top 10-15 list without the three great centers (Wilt, Russell, Kareem) plus Oscar & West isn't legit.

As for Rick Barry, people don't realize how great he was because he was suck a jerk. I remember this quote about Barry from an NBA Lifer - "the only difference between Rick Barry and Larry Bird is people liked Larry Bird". And of course, I still remember his "watermelon grin" comment to Bill Russell.

http://www.slate.com/articles/sports/sp ... ry_is.html


About LeBron and MJ the GOAT discussion, you can quote mine ;)
Today, most of Lebron's opponent call him the best player in the world. When MJ was in NBA, most of his opponents call him the GOAT, and many current NBA players still do today .

But theses lists, theses tops 10/15/25/50 are so personnal.

About MJ - but not only - you should check this YT channel guys : https://www.youtube.com/user/wistiti93420/videos
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Re: Classic NBA Video and Discussion Thread

Postby Dee4Three on Sat Feb 24, 2018 6:57 am

My opinion: The best dunker of all time.

His dunk on Mourning where he is suspended in the air is my favorite.

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Re: Classic NBA Video and Discussion Thread

Postby sticky-fingers on Sat Feb 24, 2018 7:51 am

Shawn Kemp, Dominique Wilkins, Doctor J, MJ are not too far, but you're right, VC is the best dunker of all time, in game and in all star dunk contest.

I still remember the foolish french commentators of french national public TV :lol:
Poor Frédéric Weis :roll:
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Re: Classic NBA Video and Discussion Thread

Postby Dee4Three on Sat Feb 24, 2018 9:27 am

sticky-fingers wrote:Shawn Kemp, Dominique Wilkins, Doctor J, MJ are not too far, but you're right, VC is the best dunker of all time, in game and in all star dunk contest.

I still remember the foolish french commentators of french national public TV :lol:
Poor Frédéric Weis :roll:


I love the dunkers who do it with power and athleticism, like Nique. I found a really intense game between the Bulls and Hawks, you might find it entertaining. Nique is literally holding up his fist/pumping his fist on almost every basket he scores. So intense, regular season game. I guess the Hawks really wanted this one.

Check out Jordans off balance/double clutch shots, and his rolling hook down the middle of the lane. So good.

The fact that Reggie Miller is on the top 50 of all time list over Nique is really insulting, in my opinion. Nique was a better player by far in my opinion.

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Re: Classic NBA Video and Discussion Thread

Postby PeacemanNOT on Sun Feb 25, 2018 2:01 am

NBA Finals 1993 Game 4
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Re: Classic NBA Video and Discussion Thread

Postby sticky-fingers on Sun Feb 25, 2018 2:32 am

PeacemanNOT wrote:NBA Finals 1993 Game 4
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Amazing quality with this one.

Fantastic quality :shock: (Y)
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Re: Classic NBA Video and Discussion Thread

Postby NovU on Sun Feb 25, 2018 9:58 am

Barkley led Suns were good but not great imho in terms of historical Finalists quality. Where would you guys rank them in Finals opponents that Bulls faced in Jordan's era?
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Re: Classic NBA Video and Discussion Thread

Postby Dee4Three on Sun Feb 25, 2018 10:04 am

NovU wrote:Barkley led Suns were good but not great imho in terms of historical Finalists quality. Where would you guys rank them in Finals opponents that Bulls faced in Jordan's era?


I would vote them in this order.

1. Malone/Stockton Jazz
2. Drexlers Blazers
3. Barkley's Suns
4. Magics Lakers
5. Kemp/Paytons SuperSonics

Jordan said his toughest opponent was the Jazz, so hard to argue with that. That Blazers series was something else, and the Blazers gave one of the games away in my opinion.

Would have been amazing to see him, Pippen and Rodman face off against Drexler, Barkley and Olajuwon in the 1997 finals. I'm still upset that it didn't happen.
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Re: Classic NBA Video and Discussion Thread

Postby Andrew on Sun Feb 25, 2018 11:26 am

I'd probably go...

1. Jazz
2. Trail Blazers
3. Suns
4. SuperSonics
5. Lakers

The '93 Suns were pretty deep, but I feel like they may have overachieved a little. The Jazz were back to back Finalists, and that Blazers team made two Finals in three years. That Sonics team was pretty damn good, and if they'd been able to stay together, might've eventually found success. The Lakers, while still great, were at the end of their run.
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Re: Classic NBA Video and Discussion Thread

Postby air gordon on Mon Feb 26, 2018 6:28 am

Jazz
Blazers
tie Sonics-Suns
distant last Lakers

97 Jazz was tops. matchup wise, i thought Prime Kemp and Payton surrounded by shooting had a great chance. Really Rodman came up big in that series.
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Re: Classic NBA Video and Discussion Thread

Postby NovU on Mon Feb 26, 2018 9:39 am

Were the Blazers really that good? Outside of Clyde, did they have another superstar of the time like Kemp, Stockton, or so?
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Re: Classic NBA Video and Discussion Thread

Postby Andrew on Mon Feb 26, 2018 10:34 am

The Glide was the only superstar, but they had some really good players around him, for quite a deep team that arguably played better than the sum of their parts.
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Re: Classic NBA Video and Discussion Thread

Postby Dee4Three on Mon Feb 26, 2018 12:19 pm

Kevin Duckworth and Terry Porter were both all-stars in 90-91 and 92-93, and Kersey should have been an all star in his career. Having Buck Williams at the 4 didn't hurt either. Cliff Robinson. Was an all star two years later, and Buck Williams himself was a 3 time all star.

One superstar, but multiple all star caliber players.


They have the full games from the finals available to watch on youtube, and a 4 or 5 part documentary on that season. Go have a look, when you watch them play you can see why they were an elite team at the time. You can watch them yourself and form your own opinion, nice that we have that option.

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Re: Classic NBA Video and Discussion Thread

Postby NovU on Mon Feb 26, 2018 7:08 pm

Couldn't you say the Sonics had a deeper roster with more star quality guys on top of better regular season record?
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Re: Classic NBA Video and Discussion Thread

Postby sticky-fingers on Tue Feb 27, 2018 12:50 am

IMO, you overrate a little bit the Sonics : they were less experienced, Payton recovered from injury and Rodman was amazing.

I also think that the Lakers are underrated ; Magic was only 31, Scott Worthy and Perkins 29, AC Green 27, Divac and Campbell 22.
A good compromise between experience and youth But Worthy got hurt in WCF and B.Scott disappeared during the finals.
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Re: Classic NBA Video and Discussion Thread

Postby Dee4Three on Tue Feb 27, 2018 2:37 am

The SuperSonics were a solid, all around team. But they were missing that superstar (Like Drexler).

They lacked a one on one scorer, Payton could do some things, but he wasn't a guy who could get a basket whenever you needed one. I would also venture to say that Porter was close to as good as Payton in 91-92. 19 and 7 for Payton, 18 and 5 for Porter, and while Porter didn't put up the same steals numbers, he was more than a capable defender. The physical brand of basketball played by the likes of Buck Williams and Jerome Kersey also separates them as far as the starting 5 goes.

Kind of like the 08-09 and 09-10 Lakers, they had the Superstar (Kobe), and a couple all stars/former all stars. But they had that elite player who was elite on both sides of the ball.

I put Magic and the Lakers ahead of the SuperSonics, because they were still primed (A lot of those guys), and Magic was still as good as ever. He won the MVP the previous season. I still think Magic and company put more of a fear into the Bulls, but of course that's just my opinion.

People really underrate Drexler (Example leaving him out of the top 50), he was elite on offense and on defense.

Here is the "Yearbook" videos from that season. Pretty fun to watch.

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Re: Classic NBA Video and Discussion Thread

Postby air gordon on Tue Feb 27, 2018 5:40 am

NovU wrote:Were the Blazers really that good? Outside of Clyde, did they have another superstar of the time like Kemp, Stockton, or so?

i thought so. that finals was 2 years coming. the Lakers pulled off a bigtime upset the previous year. they had some good pieces. Buck Williams was uber efficient. Kersey was this man child who could overpower Pip. Drexler making mj play defense a whole game (lol) and even a spry uncle cliffy off the bench

Terry Porter was a badass. Maybe if Portland had another playmaker or someone to settle down the offense, they win. I can remember the Blazers taking bad shots in key stretches...

NovU wrote:Couldn't you say the Sonics had a deeper roster with more star quality guys on top of better regular season record?

i dont know if it was deeper. frank brickowski and Ervin Johnson were playing center (lol). their money lineup of Perkins, kemp, detlef, hawkins, payton was pretty damn good though.

honestly even the 98 pacers i'd rank ahead of the 91 lakers. lakers put up a good fight early on but when the injuries hit, they got rolled. the bulls pacers conf finals is prolly the only series where i thought the bulls had a legit chance to lose.
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