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Sun Sep 05, 2004 9:25 pm

How on Earth is Juwan Howard one of the worst 25 players in the league? If anything I'd put him in the top 25 PF's. The guy might be overpaid but how is that his fault? Someone gives him a massive contract, and that makes him a bad player? Have a look at his stats for the last 3 seasons...

14.6ppg 7.6rpg
18.4ppg 7.6rpg
17.0ppg 7.0rpg

And all the while he played 81, 77 and 81 games so it's not as if he's injury prone (anymore). I just don't think it's fair that his selection seems to have been purely based on the fact that he has an overinflated contract :roll: Also, the 17ppg/7rpg he averaged on the horrible Magic team was in his 9th season or something like that. There's not too many players out there who can put up those numbers that far into their career, well not many players who have been maligned as much as Juwan.

Sun Sep 05, 2004 9:34 pm

Jae™ wrote:How on Earth is Juwan Howard one of the worst 25 players in the league? If anything I'd put him in the top 25 PF's.

Wow... 30 teams... top 25 PF.. MVP!

Sun Sep 05, 2004 9:48 pm

Good one Rens... lets just ignore the fact that I was arguing the fact that he's not one of the worst 25 players in the NBA.. .correct me if I'm wrong, but a top 25 PF wouldn't necessarily be one of the worst 25 players.

Sun Sep 05, 2004 9:56 pm

I wasn't saying that you're wrong about that... just found it funny a starter who's top 25 at his position... when there's only 30 teams.. ;)

Sun Sep 05, 2004 10:02 pm

True, but I think he'd get some competition for that top 25 PF spot from Michael Curry :lol:

Mon Sep 06, 2004 1:05 am

Michael Olowokandi has talent but he is the dumbest basketball player to ever play the game. He has no clue what he is doing out there. He looks like he just started playing basketball today. Although, he started playing basketball late in his high school career.

Juwan Howard on the list is idiotic. And Ndudi Ebi hasn't even gotten a chance to play. Kareem Rush isn't that bad.

Where's Sean Marks? :lol:

Mon Sep 06, 2004 2:01 am

Michael Olowokandi has talent but he is the dumbest basketball player to ever play the game. He has no clue what he is doing out there. He looks like he just started playing basketball today. Although, he started playing basketball late in his high school career.

Yeah right, Samaki Walker is way dumber then Michael Olowokandi and you know it. Im glad that Kobe smacked that bum in the face on the teambus.

Mon Sep 06, 2004 2:08 am

This webpage sucks. They just randomly screw something up.

Mon Sep 06, 2004 2:14 am

Moiso is probably even dumber. Same goes for Zach Randolph and Stromile Swift.

Tue Sep 07, 2004 12:26 pm

Jae™ wrote:How on Earth is Juwan Howard one of the worst 25 players in the league? If anything I'd put him in the top 25 PF's. The guy might be overpaid but how is that his fault? Someone gives him a massive contract, and that makes him a bad player? Have a look at his stats for the last 3 seasons...

14.6ppg 7.6rpg
18.4ppg 7.6rpg
17.0ppg 7.0rpg

And all the while he played 81, 77 and 81 games so it's not as if he's injury prone (anymore). I just don't think it's fair that his selection seems to have been purely based on the fact that he has an overinflated contract :roll: Also, the 17ppg/7rpg he averaged on the horrible Magic team was in his 9th season or something like that. There's not too many players out there who can put up those numbers that far into their career, well not many players who have been maligned as much as Juwan.

I agree Howard isn't top 25 worst, but the #'s are very misleading. First of all, how many playoff teams has Howard been on? Secondly, he plays 0, zip, zilch, nil defense. Absolutely none. He gives about as much effort out there on defense and rebounding as I am typing. On offense, there's only one thing he can do well and sometimes that hurts the offense: shoot the 15 footer. Sometimes it hurts the offense because like Gooden, he would take bad shots. If that's a Magic fan taking out all his frustration at Howard but putting him on the list, I wouldn't be the least surprised.

Well, they had a chance to compete for more PT. Brown's been stuck behind more established players who aren't in danger of losing their starting job and 30+ minutes per game. But perhaps I did overrate him a little.

I'll give his rookie year, but 2 years ago, he had PP, Eric Williams, and Walter McCarty. Waltah isn't exactly all that established, besides hitting 3's, and even so, OB often played him at the 4, not the 3. So Brown got 13 mpg, scoring 2.8 ppg and grabbing 2.8 rpg. Last year, during his short stint on the C's, he improved his shot and scored 5.2 ppg and grabbed 3.2 rpg in 19 minutes. In CLE, his points stayed the same, minutes went down, and rebounds went down. However, look at his stat sheet. There's a reason he got so many DNP's. And no, it's not because he had Ira Newble and Eric Williams in front of him. Or Lee Nailon. Come on, this kid can dunk like not many can, his jump shot is a lot better, he plays good defense, but he's so lazy and absolutely clueless on offense. You give him the ball and he has no idea what to do -- he can't dribble, he can't create, he can't make an entry pass, he can't find a cutter, he can only make a simple, easy pass back outside. Unless he's in the summer leagues. Even there he was way overweight and out of shape, so much that the Cavs (who were pissed he was out of shape because they chose him over Kapono to protect) packaged him to the 76ers. Where OB, his ex-coach (and while lots of coaches and players don't get along, they're often excited to be reunited, as AI said "You don't know what something is worth to you until you lose it [referring to Larry Brown].") stated and I paraphrase, that Kedrick Brown was merely to make the salaries work. That is hilarious. As a coach, when on Earth do you go out and say "Oh we didn't ask for that player. We needed him so the trade could work under the CBA." Everyone knows that's bad PR wise and bad for the player's morale. Brown was merely a workout wonder who shot up the draft and got everyone excited.

Hasilip had some chance of getting more play time. I'm starting to change my stance on him...the thing though is that he's really a 3, not a 4 like he was listed as when he was drafted. He's mostly a drive past you, jump out of the gym, type athletic freak. Past that, he doesn't have much game. Which is why, like Brown, I'm starting to feel he should be somewhere on that list as well. He's also had time to develop (I believe same season as Brown) and maybe I'm jumping the gun here, but he hasn't shown much besides what I listed earlier.

Tue Sep 07, 2004 12:55 pm

I agree Howard isn't top 25 worst, but the #'s are very misleading. First of all, how many playoff teams has Howard been on? Secondly, he plays 0, zip, zilch, nil defense. Absolutely none. He gives about as much effort out there on defense and rebounding as I am typing. On offense, there's only one thing he can do well and sometimes that hurts the offense: shoot the 15 footer. Sometimes it hurts the offense because like Gooden, he would take bad shots. If that's a Magic fan taking out all his frustration at Howard but putting him on the list, I wouldn't be the least surprised.


True, but all I was trying to prove is that one of the 25 worst players in the NBA wouldnt be averaging 17ppg no matter what. I don't really like Howard, I wouldn't want him on the Lakers (N)

Tue Sep 07, 2004 12:59 pm

Well Juwan will finally be in a play-off team now...

Tue Sep 07, 2004 1:53 pm

FanOfAll wrote:Hasilip had some chance of getting more play time. I'm starting to change my stance on him...the thing though is that he's really a 3, not a 4 like he was listed as when he was drafted. He's mostly a drive past you, jump out of the gym, type athletic freak.
He's definitley a 4. A very similar 4 to the one Amare is. He's a poor man's Amare (and Amare is a poor man's KG :lol: )

Tue Sep 07, 2004 2:00 pm

Where's Popeye Jones???

Tue Sep 07, 2004 5:56 pm

colin826 wrote:(and Amare is a poor man's KG :lol: )

Amaré is more like Kemp.

Wed Sep 08, 2004 7:07 am

Just the fact that he throws Mount Mutombo in there, should tell you that he just had to make a column, or wouldn't get paid or something. The author was just bored to death and thought he might put together a list, where he roles the dice on who gets on it and who not.

Some of the players may not be All-Stars, but basically this list is just plain crap.

TBE

Wed Sep 08, 2004 7:30 am

TheBigEasy wrote:Some of the players may not be All-Stars, but basically this list is just plain crap.

That's the idea :lol:

Thu Sep 09, 2004 10:33 am

colin826 wrote:
FanOfAll wrote:Hasilip had some chance of getting more play time. I'm starting to change my stance on him...the thing though is that he's really a 3, not a 4 like he was listed as when he was drafted. He's mostly a drive past you, jump out of the gym, type athletic freak.
He's definitley a 4. A very similar 4 to the one Amare is. He's a poor man's Amare (and Amare is a poor man's KG :lol: )

He doesn't have much post game. He has a better shot than a post game. Even in summer league games, it appears he prefers 3's.
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