Bruce wrote:I think there were more than 5 teams that could have made a gamble on Cousins. Makes me wonder if Divac made enough calls to other teams.
People are already calling it a bad trade for Sacramento, I think I will take a wait and see approach here. Sacramento did dump some salary, got Buddy Hield, who might be limited on upside, but looks like he will have an average but productive career. Then there is the draft pick from the Pelicans that is shaping to be lottery bound, which is a wild card. I think 3-5 yrs is a good amount of time to judge whether a trade is good or not.
air gordon wrote:so hield's supposed average potential, some salary relief, and a possible lottery or mid round 1st pick > cousins?????? c'mon.
cousins has hit more 3's than hield.
benji wrote:big-shot-ROB wrote:No NBA team will risk their core or their future to acquire a player he has openly told his agent he won't resign with any team who trades for him.
Unless they have LeBron.
air gordon wrote:Dommy,
Cousins wasnt forcing his way out. He in fact started publicly he wanted to resign. Divac also revealed there were better offers on the tables previously. This deal even gets vetoed in fantasy basketball lol
What argument are you making with those stats? Cousins impact on on the court clearly bests hields
What NBA level skills has hield shown so far aside from hitting s 3pt shot and sinking the occasional ft?!
Aside from the 1st pick,Evans and whoever are just salary filler and afterthoughts
Adrian Wojnarowski on DeMarcus Cousins trade: Once (the Kings front office) they got Vivek on board, they didn’t want him to change his mind again. That was part of the reason they rushed on Sunday to get the deal done.
big-shot-ROB wrote:air gordon wrote:Dommy,
Cousins wasnt forcing his way out. He in fact started publicly he wanted to resign. Divac also revealed there were better offers on the tables previously. This deal even gets vetoed in fantasy basketball lol
What argument are you making with those stats? Cousins impact on on the court clearly bests hields
What NBA level skills has hield shown so far aside from hitting s 3pt shot and sinking the occasional ft?!
Aside from the 1st pick,Evans and whoever are just salary filler and afterthoughts
I am on your side with this. That was a possibly the worst deal they could've gotten for Cousins. Hield, a bunch of salary fillers and a "not-so-bound" lottery pick. Sure any team would have given possibly a better draft pick or a player whose range of potential can be wider, meaning potentially being a better player than Hield's ceiling, ex: Rozier.
But here is where it gets even uglier for the Kings. According to several NBA insiders, including Adrian Wojnarowski of The Vertical, the Kings lied to Cousins' agents about wanting to trade him, and NBA agents are not happy.
"We know that Vlade Divac, their GM, had been very, publicly and privately, had been pretty emphatic that they were not going to do this," Wojnaroski said on his podcast. "He came out publicly and said, 'I'm not going to trade Cousins at the deadline. He's going to be here. We want to re-sign him.' And he told that to Cousins and he told that to Cousins' agents, Jarinn Akana and Dan Fegan."
Former NBA executive Bobby Marks was a guest on the podcast with Wojnarowski and explained how dangerous this move was for the Kings, saying, "If you burn an agent in this league, they do not forget."
"You never come out and say a player is not going to get traded or 'we're going to sign this player to an extension,' because anybody in this league is tradable," Marks told Wojnarowski. "I think it can have some long-term implications here. If you look at Dan Fegan, a powerful agent. When you look at Jarinn and who he represents. When we get into free agency with Sacramento, a team that is going to possibly have some cap flexibility. When we get into the draft, we don't know yet whom they will represent, but if you burn an agent in this league, they do not forget here."
Others have seemingly confirmed this thought, noting that this deal has hurt the Kings in the eyes of many agents.
"Several agents have already told me that [Sacramento] has lost all credibility after assuring Cousins he would not be traded this year and extended," Keith Smith of FanRagSports wrote on Twitter.
Andrew wrote:Even if things don't pan out with Cousins, they're still going to have Anthony Davis, so even if the experiment fails and Cousins moves on, they're still in a good position as far as having a star to build around. If they'd traded Davis for Cousins, it'd be a different story, but as it stands, they don't have to pin all their hopes on Cousins.
It will be interesting though. I could see them making a solid run through the final two months of the season. They're only a few games out of the eighth spot in the West, it's not unfeasible that they sneak into the postseason if they string together a few good winning streaks.
NovU wrote:Makes you wonder what if Divac traded him last year or year before. His perceived value gradually declined year by year day by day.
That makes you think, it's not like this was entirely 110% WIN for the Pelicans either. They are playing with fire that's known to burn the house down. There's also a timer that might not get reset if Cousins decides to go elsewhere after his contract expires. And, OH man, think about MAX contract that will last well over till Cousins becomes 30 something years old. That could be their demise for rest of decade and possibly next. For now this looks like an interesting experiment though.
How do you guys think this experiment will pan out for the Pelicants?
Q: Well, the pressure is on you now. It’s pretty clear that Divac, not Ranadive, is making the personnel decisions. Some people still can’t believe Ranadive actually stepped aside and allowed you to trade his favorite player.
A: That’s my job, and I take responsibility. And I totally understand why some fans would be upset. They supported DeMarcus, and I like DeMarcus a lot. But I believe we are going to be in a better position in two years. I want to hear again from these same people in two years. If I’m right, great. If I’m wrong, I’ll step down. But if I go down, I’m going down my way.
air gordon wrote:I agree it's not a for sure win but considering what they gave up and the non chance of landing a player of this talent if they stayed the course, its a great deal for them.
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NovU wrote:air gordon wrote:I agree it's not a for sure win but considering what they gave up and the non chance of landing a player of this talent if they stayed the course, its a great deal for them.
3 losses with cousins, 1 win without him tonight. I always thought his perceived value was way higher than his actual talent.
Phil89 wrote:Andrew wrote:[ Image ]
Things really look bad if you play the "what if?" game with their drafting of lottery picks in the last 8 years.
2009 - pick 4 - Tyreke Evans (Steph Curry, DeMar DeRozan)
2010 - pick 5 - DeMarcus Cousins (Paul George, Gordon Hayward)
2011 - pick 7 - Bismack Biyombo (Klay Thompson, Kawhi Leonard, Jimmy Butler, Kemba Walker)
2012 - pick 5 - Thomas Robinson (Damian Lillard, Andre Drummond, Harrison Barnes)
2013 - pick 7 - Ben McLemore (Giannis Antetokounmpo, CJ McCollum, Steven Adams)
2014 - pick 8 - Nik Stauskas (Zach LaVine, Dario Saric, TJ Warren)
2015 - pick 6 - Willie Cauley-Stein (Devin Booker, Myles Turner, Justise Winslow)
2016 - pick 8 - Traded for Georgios Papagiannis, Skal Labissière and draft rights to Bogdan Bogdanovic (Marquese Chriss, Domantas Sabonis)
Obviously it's easy to look like a genius in hindsight. But that is a pretty horrible strike rate.
Even the guy who did become a star player turned out to be too much trouble because of attitude problems.
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