Poll: Worst Off-Season Move Thus Far?

[[Q]]

I would say GP and Foxy to Boston, but how can you trade the best center in the NBA???

[Riot]

and not even get an all-star back?

[Jackal]

Happens when you have Mitch The Bitch Cup Of Shit as your GM.

[Mahoney_jr]

Phoenix - aquired Q-Rich instead of using the salary for a quality big guy. And now they're shopping Marion around. I can't understand.

I gotta disagree here. Who is the quality big man for them to pick up? Dampier is certainly not one. He's a career underachiever except for, surprise, his contract year! Q is an absolute dynamite out there. I am drooling at the idea of him out there with Nash/Barbosa, Marion/JJ, Amare, and Vroman. It makes a young and one of the most explosive, if not the most explosive team in the league.

Hi Fanofall

I think, that the Suns were too impatient about aquiring new players. Honestly they had a average backcourt last season and so Nash fits in perfectly. But Q plays on JJ's position and both will have much to prove next season. The problem is: only at the expense of each other... They have Matrix, JJ and Q now and at least one of them will lose much value It seamed to me, that the Suns only tried to improve in depth (with Q). But the price was imho to high. They have so much time to improve. Their core is young and they have the bulls draft pick next year. That's pure gold!

My suggestion would have been to aquire a veteran like Wesley Person to backup JJ. During the season it would be possible to deal with the cap room for a solid big body. I predict that they will shop one of their three wing men around the league and won't get the real value back.

Orlando - drafting Dwight Howard. Shipping out Gooden for nearly nothing. What a frontcourt: Cato (overrated), Howard (a kid), DQ, Bradley, Battie... that's pure quality

Have to disagree here too. Howard has infinitely more potential than Okafor. Right now, I'd say Howard is the better rebounder. Believe it or not. He's far more explosive (and taller) than the short, decent athlete in Emeka Okafor, who I'm a huge fan of. 'Meka will be the better scorer the first 1-2 years, but watch out, Howard, already has a very nice outside game and decent post moves. BTW, that's not a bad frontcourt. Battie is a stud (if his knees hold up), Cato is top 5-10 defensively as a big man, even though he's lazy.

Cato will suffer from the absence of Yao (and so will Yao). Without him, he will play ball like he played before Yao came into the league (personal opinion, though ).

But I think that Weisbrod did not everything to hold T-Mac in Florida... perhaps he could have convince his star to stay with the team and to not build up from zero. And that was his plan when he drafted Howard. Sure, Howard could be better then Meka in a few seasons, but the Magic missed the chance to keep up with T-Mac. And Meka will also play some C...

[Sauru]

i am probably gonna be in the minority here but i think the worst moves were made by the jazz. they way over payed for 2 players in okur and boozer. sure boozer got skills but he dont got that much skill to warrent such a contract. then you got okur who everyone says has potential but i dont ever see him being that good. i think he will be a solid player for his career but not the kind of player who changes your team.

the lakers had to trade shaq. so i wont say its that bad. now i will say they should have just taken the dallas deal without getting dirk. it was still a better deal than what the heat gave them but thats just my opinion. with the dallas deal you got a good pg to run with kobe and it makes the payton trade seem ok. atleast it does in my book. you get a young pg with alot of potential to back up a guy like nash. i think the lakers got greedy at first when trying to trade shaq then after no one made a nice offer they just sent him east for whatever they could get.

now i think marbury is a cancer on his teams so i think it was a bad move by ny, but, i also think that by haveing a star player that will bring excitement back to the garden i can say that its not so bad afterall.

the nets trade had to happen. infact the nets did good in this trade if you ask me. martin was gone 1 way or another. instead of letting him walk out the front door they got draft picks instead. actually a great move if you ask me.

[Jackal]

You can't blame the Jazz entirely. With guys like Foyle getting the big bucks, I'd be surprised if Boozer or Okur agreed to sign if they were being offered less. Jazz just went with the flow. They want to win with a young set of guys. They are overpaid but I don't really blame them.

I don't think trading Shaq to the Mavericks would've been a wise decision without the addition of Dirk. Nash won't get any better and to take that bulky contract? Meh. Also it would be hell for LA since they left Shaq in the West, they were smart, this way they don't have to play him 4 times a year. LA made the correct move by declining the Dallas offer, again this is my view on your opinion.

Jason Kidd must be kicking himself right about now for not signing with SA. He stayed for what? He wanted them to become a good team, let Martin & Jefferson develop, heh Martin's gone & the Nets are a pretty shitty team at the moment. (Well, atleast from what they were, don't expect a finals appearance any time soon.)

Kidd would've worked magic along side Duncan. Too bad that position is Parker's now.

[Riot]

Houston traded everyone on their team not named Yao Ming to get Tracy McGrady. Kelvin Cato, Steve Francis, Cuttino Mobley. That's three starters right there.

[FanOfAll]

Hi Fanofall

What's up?

I think, that the Suns were too impatient about aquiring new players. Honestly they had a average backcourt last season and so Nash fits in perfectly. But Q plays on JJ's position and both will have much to prove next season. The problem is: only at the expense of each other... They have Matrix, JJ and Q now and at least one of them will lose much value It seamed to me, that the Suns only tried to improve in depth (with Q). But the price was imho to high. They have so much time to improve. Their core is young and they have the bulls draft pick next year. That's pure gold!

My suggestion would have been to aquire a veteran like Wesley Person to backup JJ. During the season it would be possible to deal with the cap room for a solid big body. I predict that they will shop one of their three wing men around the league and won't get the real value back.

Disagree. I highly doubt they'll lose any value. This isn't, say a video game, where if you don't play, you lose value. All 3 are young players with sky high potentials and will hold high values for the next few years. Despite what the owners are saying, I think Marion is on the market right now for a quality big man. Not too sure why you think they won't get any real value back later in the season. Teams don't just look at their production in one season, especially when you have 2 other quality starters playing with you there.

I don't see a problem with minutes really. Each can play 32 minutes, with JJ backing up both the 2 and 3 (well Q slides over the 3 when JJ comes in). This elongates the career of all 3 of them (Marion is tough as nails, but one day, he'll come down with an injury).

The price may have been a bit high, but if it was lower, the Clips would've matched. Did they overpay? I think a bit. However, I love what the 3, paired with Nash bring to the table. It is just totally unmatched in explosiveness, intensity, energy, youth, etc.

Cato will suffer from the absence of Yao (and so will Yao). Without him, he will play ball like he played before Yao came into the league (personal opinion, though ).

But I think that Weisbrod did not everything to hold T-Mac in Florida... perhaps he could have convince his star to stay with the team and to not build up from zero. And that was his plan when he drafted Howard. Sure, Howard could be better then Meka in a few seasons, but the Magic missed the chance to keep up with T-Mac. And Meka will also play some C...

I agree Cato will suffer with no Yao. I also believe Yao will suffer more than Cato. For a few reasons: 1) Cato did more to make Yao better than vice-versa IMO, 2) Cato doesn't have a slouch next to him in Howard, while the Howard Yao has starting next to him is lazy and plays no defense. I think JVG did more to help Cato's game than Yao did and ever will. Even if the Rockets never got Yao, but did hire JVG, I feel Cato would have still developed into the same dominating defensive presence he is right now.

I think Weis knew it was time to let T-Mac go. You hear a lot of reports that T-Mac during the season had clashes with Weis and what not, and regardless of the truth, they only highlighted the fact that T-Mac already had his foot out the door. He was a goner. I honestly don't think drafting Emeka over Howard could have changed T-Mac's mind. T-Mac wanted more veterans, sort of like what Carter wanted last year before they drafted Bosh. And yes, Emeka can play center. It's just not as advantageous to play center as it is power forward. There aren't many 6'8" players playing center, and if they are (Big Ben), they're a total freak athletically. And Emeka is not that.

I don't like Howard's entire Christian zeal about putting a cross on the NBA logo thing (being an atheist myself, I do respect his faith and dedication however) and call me crazy, but I think Howard is already better right now and will show that in the season.

[Sauru]

Houston traded everyone on their team not named Yao Ming to get Tracy McGrady. Kelvin Cato, Steve Francis, Cuttino Mobley. That's three starters right there.

yeah they did give up alot but they got alot in return if you ask me. francis is not a pg. the only reason he plays it is cause he is too small for the 2 spot. i would rather have a real point leading my team. mobley would be damn good if he learned how to pass the stupid ball. the guy is a black hole. they are gonna miss cato, solid back up.

giveing up that to get mcgrady is well worth it imo. whats the point in haveing steve and catino if they were not gonna give the best player the ball. a combo of mcgrady and ming with the right role players in place will work wonders for houston.

[Micchy_boy]

definitely martin trade for 3 picks. unless they got a kmart, j-kidd and a jefferson-like in that 3 pick.
Miami trading 3 starters as well as houston trading 3 starters are up on my list as a poor gm moves

[thaKEAF]

I'm gonna have to go with the Nets, with the Mavs coming in at a close second.

[Sauru]

i honestly dont understand how any of you can say the nets made one of the worst moves in the offseason. martin was leaveing with or without the nets say so. the fact the nets got anything in return for martin is a gift. the nuggets were going to make him an offer that the nets would not match so martin was for sure gone. he wanted a better deal so he agreed to the sign and trade and the nets got lucky that he did. getting 3 draft picks for a player who was going to leave no matter what is not bad at all.

[Rens]

I understand where you're coming from, but c'mon, the Nets COULD HAVE kept Martin if they wanted to, or they could have matched and shipped him off somewhere else besides Denver

And for a year Martin could refuse to be traded to any team as well.

[Rens]

And then the Nets would have kept their All-Star PF...

No, they are trying to save money and rebuild. Plus Martin would've been unhappy.

[Mahoney_jr]

Disagree. I highly doubt they'll lose any value. This isn't, say a video game, where if you don't play, you lose value. All 3 are young players with sky high potentials and will hold high values for the next few years. Despite what the owners are saying, I think Marion is on the market right now for a quality big man. Not too sure why you think they won't get any real value back later in the season. Teams don't just look at their production in one season, especially when you have 2 other quality starters playing with you there.

I don't see a problem with minutes really. Each can play 32 minutes, with JJ backing up both the 2 and 3 (well Q slides over the 3 when JJ comes in). This elongates the career of all 3 of them (Marion is tough as nails, but one day, he'll come down with an injury).

The price may have been a bit high, but if it was lower, the Clips would've matched. Did they overpay? I think a bit. However, I love what the 3, paired with Nash bring to the table. It is just totally unmatched in explosiveness, intensity, energy, youth, etc.

Hehe, it will be interesting to see if they get a nice trade. So if you will be right, send me a pn

[Sauru]

actually the nuggets were going to front load the contract for martin so much that the nets could not have matched it. martin was 100% gone and they got 3 picks for it. thats why i say the nets did well. now some can say(myself included) that with the nuggets being better the picks are alot less valuable. the thing is though the nuggets are still outwest and it wont be easy to make the playoffs(though i think they will). so these picks might turn into something. who knows?