Wolves vs Spurs?

Since LA has been pretty much dismantled & Sacramento is having their own problems, let's picture SA & Minnesota in the Western Conference Finals.

Who do you think will advance? Both teams are pretty much the same as last season thus stating chemistry could be an issue isn't very wise. It's pretty debatable imho.

Let's take a look at the matchups?

C- Nesterovic vs Olowakandi.

Hmm, I'll say Olowakandi wins this matchup but not by much, he's not that good & Rasho isn't that bad. It's close but Olowakandi wins it by a bit.

F- Duncan vs Garnett.

Aah, this is probably the most exciting match-up in the league. Followed by Bryant vs T-Mac & Shaq vs Yao (for me).

If we go by last seasons stats, KG > Duncan. He outplayed him. Duncan wasn't himself I suppose. KG is a good overall player but he doesn't have the ability to really close out games imho. Duncan knows when he has to take over. He just knows it. Despite what the stats say, I pick Duncan in this matchup.

F- Bowen vs Spree.

Stats might tell a story but I'll go with Bowen shutting down Spree. Bowen manages to keep Bryant at bay from game to game, Spree won't be much of a match. Plus they'll keep throwing Manu & Devin at him. Spree isn't getting any younger.

G- Ginobili vs Hassell.

Hassell is suddenly this great defensive stopper, meh. Ginobili will own him. Again, Brown will play here too as will Barry.

G- Parker vs Cassell.

As much as I like Cassell, Parker will torch him. He's much too fast for Cassell. He'll torch him. He embarrassed Bryant/Rush/Fisher/Payton, whoever LA threw at him, he just embarrassed them. He'll torch Cassell. Hudson might be good off the bench but not enough to stop Parker. Barry will likely back him up too.

Bench- Spurs vs T-Wolves.

Spurs win it. Sowwy.

I think SA would advance, how's about you? Riot?

well, you got the matchups all wrong though. When the Wolves play the Spurs that's not who plays.

First off, Ervin Johnson starts.

Second off, Sam doesn't guard Parker-Trenton Hassell does. And Bowen guards Sam Cassell. Flip and Popovich both do this because their point guards can't stop the other team's point guard.

Sam guards Bowen on defense and Parker guards Hassell. Therefore, that agrument about Parker lighting up sam and Bowen shutting down Sprewell wouldn't be the case.

This leaves Sprewell on Ginobili. A great match-up. It's pretty even. I like gino a little bit better but Sprewell has the experience and is more collected offensively.

KG vs. Duncan. KG knows how to close out games. In the past it's just because he uses ALL of his energy the first 3 quarters he was so tired he couldn't do anything come 4th quarter. KG will be getting more rest this year if we can stay more heathly. KG does more on the court for the team than Duncan does for the Spurs. Duncan is a great player. KG doesn more though, hence the MVP. KG is the defense. KG is the offense, until this past year.

Spurs bench better than the Wolves? How so?

Olowokandi-Madsen-Wally-Hoiberg-Hudson

That's a great bench. Spurs have Brent Barry, Malik Rose, Robert Horry and who else? I must be forgetting someone. Hedo left.

Bottom line, I think for once the Timberwolves are better than the Spurs. For once. This is the Wolves year. That's my opinion. It was our year last year until both our point guards went down.

I maybe biased but I'm not blind.

I maybe biased but I'm not blind.

You ARE blind because Minnesota don´t have a chance to make the finals.EDIT: NEVER
Spurs rulez minnesota not
nahahahaha

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Spurs bench better than the Wolves? How so?

Olowokandi-Madsen-Wally-Hoiberg-Hudson

That's a great bench. Spurs have Brent Barry, Malik Rose, Robert Horry and who else? I must be forgetting someone. Hedo left.

Good post Riot. The Spurs also have Devin Brown, Beno Udrih, and Sean Marks as the other backup players. I'd give the slight edge to the Spurs mostly because of Barry (or Ginobili if Barry starts).

I feel the Spurs would advance. Why? The biggest thing they have on their side is experience. The core has been to the Finals and won before. Their coach too. They know how and when to get it done. But you can probably flip a coin and get the right winner.

I think the TWolves will take it, they did a good job going up against the Lakers without Cassell. Not taking anything from Duncan but KG is the better overall player IMO, and he also has better players surrounding him. The Spurs might have the upperhand in their bench but not by that much considering Minny has a big spark plug on their bench in Troy Hudson, and doesn't Wally come off the bench too? TWolves are my team to rep the Western Confrence next year in the finals, they kept their team together from last year and that was smart.

yes Wally comes off the bench.

Ervin Johnson-Kevin Garnett-Trenton Hassell-Latrell Sprewell-Sam Cassell is our starting five.

Troy Hudson-Fred Hoiberg-Wally Z-Mark Madsen-Michael Olowokandi

that isn't too bad of a bench either. Add Gugs and another guy (3rd point guard) prolly Keith McLeod. He rocks.

Not taking anything from Duncan but KG is the better overall player IMO

Damn,i was just going to the bed,then i saw that post.Damn man look the titles.Who cares about stats,look the skills.KG don´t have what Duncan has.He can lead the team,KG can´t. Duncan=clutch KG=nothing aka toilet paper.
Look at Tracy McGrady,huge stats but second round will be his dream forever.
CLUTCH man,the clutch...

Not taking anything from Duncan but KG is the better overall player IMO

Damn,i was just going to the bed,then i saw that post.Damn man look the titles.Who cares about stats,look the skills.KG don´t have what Duncan has.He can lead the team,KG can´t. Duncan=clutch KG=nothing aka toilet paper.
Look at Tracy McGrady,huge stats but second round will be his dream forever.
CLUTCH man,the clutch...

Lol, what the hell are you going on about? Sure Tim Duncan has two rings but he's had way better players around him those two rings. Not taking anything away from Timmy because he's one of the best in the NBA but who would you rather have backing you up, David Robinson or Rasho Nesterovic? And about the Clutch, KG has made some clutch shots, and if you watched the playoffs this year you'd know that. Against the King he made a great clutch shot, and was smart enough to look at the shotclock on the other side of the court while taking the shot. Kevin Garnett is the overall better player, he's more versetile, and just because he hasn't won a championship yet doesn't change that. Kevin Garnett just started to be surrounded by good talent and you saw how far his team went into the playoffs last year, and as long as McCale and the TWolves front office keep him surrounded by good talent we'll eventually see him with his ring.

to say Duncan is better based on titles is ignorant.

i gotta agree with that. cause if you use that logic steve kerr is better than them both(as is a host of other players). sometimes great players dont get on great teams. then again sometimes your team gets a couple of bad injuries come playoff time and the lakers are in the finals instead of you(kinda hard to make the finals when both your pg's go down).

HA HA HA HA HA. this thread was good. everyone post as it was already western conference finals. it was like last year when every was trying to say that lakers will win 82 games or will break the 72 wins bulls record, and that lakers will win their 4 ring in 5 years. but KABOOM, malone injured, shaq ditto as well as kobe. then chemistry was an issue. and we all see lakers was dismantled by pistons in finals.

this year maybe KG or TD will be injured, ginobili will hate barry for taking up his minute, or cassell and hudson fight for PT. maybe nets will trade kidd to dallas/lakers or kings for future round picks. maybe shaq will see that miami isn't the right place for him and cry and demand a trade to kings or dallas. or maybe.... and al ot of maybe...

if come playoff times and spurs and minny will meet in WCF then maybe that was the time to argue and fight for your life to protect your beloved team.

also i hope i dont see a thread featuring detroit vs indiana, or detroit vs. miami or indiana vs. miami

i said it earlier in various other posts and i will say it here also. imo the spurs are the team to beat. i think the addition of barry will help them alot. i would probably put the wolves number 2 in the west behind the spurs.

that being said i want the wolves to make it. i like alot of thier players and would love to see them with a ring. infact out of the teams with a real shot to win it (damn celtics get better all ready will ya) i think i would pick the wolves as the team i want to win it.

i gotta agree with that. cause if you use that logic steve kerr is better than them both(as is a host of other players). sometimes great players dont get on great teams. then again sometimes your team gets a couple of bad injuries come playoff time and the lakers are in the finals instead of you(kinda hard to make the finals when both your pg's go down).

yes comparing steve kerr to tim duncan using the title logic is pretty stupid. but that's not the situation here.

imo the players in this comparison are arguably the 2 best in the league, not a role player or some dude who was 12th on the depth chart of a championship team compared to john stockton

good point, but i bet you anything if kg came into the league with a man like robinson to get his back the ring count would be alot different right now.

wouldve, couldve, shouldve. blab blab blab. all i hear is excuses. in the end all that matters is the final product, and the final product is a championship. You, friend, are ignorant if you DONT take championships into consideration when comparing great players. And no, that doesnt mean kerr is better than kg, kerr was not the finals mvp now was he (and in most cases i dont judge upon the number of championships/mvps a great player has as long as he has one which kg of course doesnt, and dont say he will, unless your jesus fucking christ thats just plain lame). If kg and duncan were both playing in the olympics the offense would still be run through duncan, duncan plays well in any enviroment and gives any team a chance to win it all. kg is better overall, but i prefer a great post player to a great overall player and i think td is better in the post, and more of a presence on defense than kg. Until kg wins a championship and is the finals mvp i wouldnt consider him in the same league as tim duncan. Oh, he had better players, oh he had robinson. you know what i hear? excuses excuses excuses and a sore loser to cap. stop running your mouth with no basis but ifs and gonnas to back it.

kgs a great player, just a tier below duncan until he wins it all. If your goal in this league is not to win the ring than what is it? good numbers? go home.

KG was drafted on a bad team.
Duncan was drafted on a team that had an injury plagued season. That's the only reason Spurs won the lottery.

kg is every bit as good as duncan and to say kg is not in the same league as him is just plain wrong. many great players never won a ring that are flat out better than duncan. ewing is a great example, as is stockton,malone,barkley. duncan also had 4 years of college to help him and then a great teacher in david when he got to the nba. now i dont want to take anything away from duncan cause he is great, but kg is every bit as good as him. not haveing thier own first round draft pick for 7 years didnt help minny much either.

KG has lead his team to the playoffs ever since he became a starter. That is impressive. He was the leader of the team from day 1. Not to mention he came from high school to the pros at a very uncommon time. It was a lot different back then for High School Athletes to make the jump, very unlikely.

Kevin didn't have David Robinson to teach him. Kevin prolly needed David more than Tim needed David. But KG is on the same level as Duncan. Championship or not it's not fair.

Winning a championship is a team thing. The Spurs we're better than the Timberwolves. That doesn't mean Duncan is better than Kevin Garnett.

That doesn't mean Duncan is better than Kevin Garnett

Duncan IS better player.
Yeah they are making playoffs,but first round is minny´s dream.In this year yeah,but they were lucky
He sucks,he can´t lead the team.

Sam Cassell has never been an all-star since he joined Kevin Garnett. Wally Szczerbiak has been an all-star because of Kevin Garnett. Latrell wasn't an all-star, so don't bring that up.

It's more of an opinion thing. Put Duncan on the Timberwolves and the Timberwolves wouldn't done as good. Simple as that. Nobody in the league can do what Kevin Garnet does. Flip Saunders said this "Sometimes we put too much on him. I wouldn't put this much pressure and responsabilty on anyone else in the league. Nobody else could handle it."

KG does more than score and anchor our defense. He does more than Duncan does on the court for us.

That doesn't mean Duncan is better than Kevin Garnett

Duncan IS better player.
Yeah they are making playoffs,but first round is minny´s dream.In this year yeah,but they were lucky
He sucks,he can´t lead the team.

i dont know whether to laugh or stab my eyeballs everytime i see this guy post..

but anyways, i love kg's game i'm a big fan of his but i would still pick duncan over him. when it comes to the mental aspect of the game, i think duncan is smarter than KG.. at this point in time duncan knows when to step up his game and when to let his teammates have their go. i'm not calling KG a selfish player or whatever because he's not, but often times especially late in games he tries to take over and pull his team out of the hump when he can simply rely on his teammates to help him out (like demilioso said he has cassell, sprewell and even wally szcerbiak)

but often times especially late in games he tries to take over

LMAO when KG tries to take over,she usually shoots BRICKS!!!!
I can see only bricks on the wall

EDIT: Brick - A wild shot that bounces erratically off the rim or backboard.

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robinson may only have averaged 8 point but he was always a defensive presence for the spurs. he definetly helped them win that and to think otherwise is wrong.

another point is, i am not a minny fan at all. not a spurs fan not a fan of anyone cept the celtics. that being said i can clearly say that kg is every bit as good as duncan and imo is better.not much better but better still. i guess we will wait and see what happens this year before we can solve this arguement, though i have said several times that the spurs are the team to beat this year. i think adding barry will help them alot.

either way i look forward to seeing both these teams in the western conference finals. gonna be a great year playoff wise without haveing to watch them damn lakers again.

robinson may only have averaged 8 point but he was always a defensive presence for the spurs. he definetly helped them win that and to think otherwise is wrong.

another point is, i am not a minny fan at all. not a spurs fan not a fan of anyone cept the celtics. that being said i can clearly say that kg is every bit as good as duncan and imo is better.not much better but better still. i guess we will wait and see what happens this year before we can solve this arguement, though i have said several times that the spurs are the team to beat this year. i think adding barry will help them alot.

either way i look forward to seeing both these teams in the western conference finals. gonna be a great year playoff wise without haveing to watch them damn lakers again.

Eat shit &die KG fan

well thought out arguement you have there