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Eugene wrote:Look, I like Stephon Marbury as much as the next guy. I really do. But it's frustrating to see him dominate the ball so much. And the eight assists is a deceptive number--all that indicates is that he's a talented passer, and he is, Marbury does hold the ball for much of the offense. Jason Kidd puts up the same assist numbers, but he doesn't have the ball nearly as much as Marbury does.
But he did put together a great season in Phoenix, when they made the playoffs, before they pressed the panic button and traded him away. So, he is a good player, and I do believe that he gives the Knicks a fighting chance every game. But he's not the pass-first team leader that 1. he can be, and 2. he needs to be on the Knicks.
Plain and simple, the Bulls get raped in a trade yet again. You got an over the hill center who's about 5 or 6 years removed from his prime and a bunch of scrubs. My patience is wearing thin with the Bulls these days. I am tired of losing. My alligiance to this team is really getting tested.
Sat Aug 07, 2004 11:23 am
I've already said, this is a talented team that will get 4 to 6 seed and make to the second round of the playoffs. But even if they get Dampier (and by the way, if they get Dampier, they'll have to do a sign and trade, so they won't be able to keep Kurt Thomas), they're still not a championship team. Unless Marbury becomes the pass-first-take-over-in-crunch-time-Isiah-Thomas-type player that I know he could be (and he disappeared in the playoffs last year in the sweep), and unless the entire roster plays up to their abilities, they'll be in that range for a very long time, and won't get any better.
If all you want to see is the Knicks having a longer season and longer postseason, then this is a good team. But the goal of every organization and by representation the GM, should be to win the championship. And this team is not there yet.
Panic button? They clearly ripped the Knicks off.
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stack42 wrote:him and Marbury in the same backcourt doesn't look good....oooh, I forgot Houston...so is Crawford an expensive 6th man?
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stack42 wrote:ive said it before and i'll say it again. IT is a bad GM
i can tell you why he is a bad GM.
he is overpaying for proven losers. these guys have done nothing. atleast crawford is young the rest of them have been around long enough to do something and didnt. for gods sake marbury had KG and couldnt win what makes people think he can win with these knicks? it dont matter who plays with marbury anyway, they wont get the ball.
Sun Aug 08, 2004 12:21 pm
Eugene wrote:(And by the way, Pippen played on three teams in 17 seasons and he never got traded, just signed as a free agent and that matters).
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TheCambyManVol3 wrote:Panic button? They clearly ripped the Knicks off.
Yep they sure did. They signed Steve Nash and quentin richardson with the room they cleared for marbury. Richardson isn't better than Joe Johnson, and Nash is no where near Marbury. The only positive I can sorta see is the Suns realise they will have to give amare the max contract when he is up for an extension, and Suns management wouldn't like to pay Marbury, Marion and Stoudamire that much. But if they kept those 3 together, along with Joe Johnson, they could be a top 4 team in the west right now. Instead, I can't see them making the playoffs... what a rip off
Isiah wants VC too.
Smart plan Isiah get Marbury-Crawford-Houston-Tim Thomas-Carter. Very smart.
Who would he give? Anyone know?
Anyone not named stephon Marbury
Besides look at the starting line up and team the Knicks brought in last year. Don't you think the team they have now is much better than that old team? Marbury instead of eisely, Nazr/dampier instead of Mutumbo..only Tim Thomas and Van Horn you can argue about since both players in my opinion are the same..each a little stronger in a area or 2
Even the bench is better..even though penny is overpaid he is still a decent player. Besides, when you talk about the Knicks, NEVER EVER BRING SALARY INTO IT!!. They could be 100million over the salary cap and it doesn't matter..
Until Houston's contract is up, salary isn't important because his deal is really high and Shandon Anderson deal is up the same year too. Once those 2 are off the books then we can think about salary cap
Please tell me Matt, why do you think Isiah Thomas is a bad gm...
Unlike the Bulls, however, who will have cleared 10 million in cap space or something to that effect (I don't really pay attention to numbers, but I know it means they'll be a player in free agency next year, which means... actually not a whole lot next year, but in 06, they'll be playing for Yao, Stoudamire, Prince, Butler if they don't get resigned).
In Ben Gordon, you have a pass first combo guard who can score. If that sounds a little like Dwayne Wade, well, it should. While Gordon may not be the athlete Wade is (and if that's the case, Gordon loses only by a fraction--he has a 38 inch vert, and benches 300 pounds), he's a better shooter from distance, and at least as good a decision maker. He's a strong defender, something most people overlook. And in case you've forgotten, he was the second best player on the National Championship Huskies. Now, winning means something. Coming from a winning tradition means something. He's an experienced player coming from a great program, coached by one of the best coaches in the world.
Finally, someone everyone seems to forget, Chris Duhon. If you don't remember, when Jay Williams was still in school, Duhon was considered the second best point guard only after his teammate. Duhon is quick in the open court, has great vision, great leadership, great decision-making, and he is a defensive hound... people tend to neglect how good he is because he's not putting up eye-catching numbers, but Duhon has made big time plays for one of the best teams in the country time and time again. If you don't think he's better than Frank Williams, you're out of your mind. There, I said it.
So, John Paxson just drafted three sure things who are ready to play now. Jamal Crawford wasn't the type of character guy he wanted. And character matters. Team attitude matters. The Bulls have a young nucleus to build around (if Tyson Chandler's back holds up, I think he'll be a great asset in the middle defensively) and several veterans in Davis and Mutombo who'll "tutor" Curry and Chandler (yeah, okay... you know Paxson is going to drop Curry as soon as West agrees to the Wells/Swift package), and overall, you have a team that will, under Herr Skiles, play hard, and play together.
Sun Aug 08, 2004 4:39 pm
Riot wrote:do you look this stuff up or do you just happen to know all this stuff?
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