SI Exclusive bout KOBE
Wed Aug 04, 2004 8:42 am
WHAT A IRONIC TWIST! Make sho you read it
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I dont know whether to believe or not.I wanna know how Shaq gonna handle this.If he knows anything about it,will he testify against da KOBE
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2004/magazine/08/03/scorecard0809/index.html
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I dont know whether to believe or not.I wanna know how Shaq gonna handle this.If he knows anything about it,will he testify against da KOBE
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2004/magazine/08/03/scorecard0809/index.html
Last edited by twolvezfanfoever on Wed Aug 04, 2004 8:53 am, edited 2 times in total.
Wed Aug 04, 2004 8:49 am
The woman alleges that Bryant approached her and asked for her cellphone number, which she provided. Later, Bryant asked her to get him a soft drink and bring it to him outside, which she did in the presence of another man. Bryant then cornered her and groped her private parts
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I dont believe that´s true,but who knows eh
Wed Aug 04, 2004 5:03 pm
If it's true it's bad news for Kobe, though as the article noted her testimony wouldn't necessarily condemn him. Then again, it might be completely false, someone who sympathises with the alleged victim and is offering a false testimony.
Wed Aug 04, 2004 5:14 pm
It says she didn't report this till AFTER Kobe was being charged. Hmm...now all of a sudden she starts talking about this? Pretty weird huh? If I was raped I'd want to sue and get them in jail. Then again, I never would be raped unless it's a guy...
Wed Aug 04, 2004 5:27 pm
That's probably the defense that Kobe's lawyers will use against the testimony - it seems like the kind of thing that would have surfaced earlier. On the other hand, perhaps she was reluctant to come forward knowing that the public would not be on her side and that the chances of the court believing her story would be slim.
I still think Kobe will be found not guilty.
I still think Kobe will be found not guilty.
Wed Aug 04, 2004 6:36 pm
Yeah- maybe this lady was scared of coming out and trying charge him because she was scared of the attention or that people wouldnt believe her... Or that she was just scared that Kobe would get her (if it is true...)
Wed Aug 04, 2004 7:20 pm
It says she didn't report this till AFTER Kobe was being charged. Hmm...now all of a sudden she starts talking about this? Pretty weird huh? If I was raped I'd want to sue and get them in jail. Then again, I never would be raped unless it's a guy...
I'm getting a little sick of these armchair experts who talk about whats "weird" for a rape victim, and how they "should" act. There's no one way (or a "right" way) for a rape victim to act. Stop jumping to conclusions with "it seems a little wierd.." becuase it seems you dont know what your talking about.
Thu Aug 05, 2004 6:55 am
Yeah..everybody reacts in their own way..there's no such a thing as a typical behavior for rape victims.
Wow, this case gets very confusing. We have the alleged victim apparently having sex with someone else after Kobe and before going to the police..uhmm....
then we have Kobe apparently not new to this aggressive sexual behavior..uhmm...
I only hope 1 thing: no settlement for this case. I want the truth (if possible).....as I want the truth about Michael Jackson..and like it would have been nice to see the truth about OJ Simpson and so on...
Wow, this case gets very confusing. We have the alleged victim apparently having sex with someone else after Kobe and before going to the police..uhmm....
then we have Kobe apparently not new to this aggressive sexual behavior..uhmm...
I only hope 1 thing: no settlement for this case. I want the truth (if possible).....as I want the truth about Michael Jackson..and like it would have been nice to see the truth about OJ Simpson and so on...
Thu Aug 05, 2004 7:05 am
Oh well...I just said I hope no settlement..and here we go:
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=1851951
Kobe is going to pay some big money..and that is going to be it. How sad.
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=1851951
Kobe is going to pay some big money..and that is going to be it. How sad.
Thu Aug 05, 2004 12:56 pm
WHat,she dont want him to go to jail,or I guess she lyin and she tryin to get money cuz she know she gonna lose?
Thu Aug 05, 2004 1:09 pm
You can see David Stern's fingerprints all over this case, can't you?
The so-called experts handling the case "accidentally" releasing medical documentation, transcripts again and again. This case has more leaks than the Titanic. The leaks, in turn, forced the public to carry on their own trials, and with "one-sided evidence" as the prosecution asserts, it seems like Kobe has a strong case. It seems like he'll be acquitted with flying colors, so to speak.
That is, until, a mysterious woman suddenly pops up and claims that Bryant has made unwanted sexual advances upon her at Shaq's party. The same Shaq who just went through a very ugly divorce with Kobe Bryant. Now, O'neal may even be called into testify. Oh, did I mention that the two teams are playing on Christmas day?
Big Boss Stern has turned this incident into a marketing marvel for the NBA, no? The ratings for the Laker games skyrocketed after Kobe was accused of rape. Now, bringing in Shaq into the whole mess. He has Vince McMahon-like control over the whole league, doesn't he? Boss Stern, the Godfather, the Puppet-master, the Commish. And just when we thought he was losing his touch, allowing a San Antonio and New Jersey Finals.
Let no one be fooled. The Commish has all things very well in hand.
Now that we got all that controversy foolishness out of the way (and believe me, it is all foolishness).
It is an absolute travesty how this case turned out. So many mishandling of the relevant evidence lead to the trial actually being held before even the first day in court. There is no way that the jury pool will not be tainted, one way or another. The series of incompetence is so severe and so significant that it almost does seem like a conspiracy. Well, it's not. It's sad. It's a failure of the justice system.
Because there really can be no winners, whatever happens now. If the accuser does pull out of the criminal suit, then this changes the face of rape trial forever. Fewer women will be willing to come forward with rape charges, valid though they may be, because they fear such a public humiliation as the accuser suffered in this case. And even if the charges are consequently dropped, Kobe Bryant will be worse off because he will not be proved innocent. He will be innocent by default.
The only way, I've said before, that this can turn out good for Kobe Bryant is if the trial is carried through and he is acquitted on all charges and acquitted decisively. But if there is no trial, then there will still be doubt about Kobe's innocence. In fact, at this point, the trial is so tainted that his innocence will be doubted anyway.
The accuser cannot drop the charges now and follow with a civil suit without looking like a gold digger. Again, that will be a loss for other rape victims, because this case will set a precedent. If the accuser turns out to be a fraud, then that will cast a shadow on all the other rape victims, because all it takes is just one person. Whether she wanted it or not, by bringing this charge against Kobe Bryant, one of the most famous athletes in the world, she became a representative for alleged rape victims everywhere. And that is a problem in itself.
The public opinion will divide into two factions, 1: the stupid and foolish people who will say the woman dropped the charges because now she sees there's no chance for her to win and it's going to come out that she was lying (Wrong--there's no chance she'll get a fair trial, which proves in no way whether she was lying or not). And 2: the stupid and foolish who will say Kobe Bryant won the case because of his fame and stature. (Again, wrong--once the charges have been dropped, and Kobe is acquitted, but you still believe that Kobe is guilty, is that really a victory?)
The only winners of course, are the cynical, who've all gone on record as saying (and we have it all written down here at the forum, you know who you are) Kobe will get off whether he is guilty or not guilty. Because after all, this is Kobe Bryant and there's no way David Stern will let Kobe go to jail. I mean, this David Friggin Stern, for crying out loud.
All the best,
Eugene
The so-called experts handling the case "accidentally" releasing medical documentation, transcripts again and again. This case has more leaks than the Titanic. The leaks, in turn, forced the public to carry on their own trials, and with "one-sided evidence" as the prosecution asserts, it seems like Kobe has a strong case. It seems like he'll be acquitted with flying colors, so to speak.
That is, until, a mysterious woman suddenly pops up and claims that Bryant has made unwanted sexual advances upon her at Shaq's party. The same Shaq who just went through a very ugly divorce with Kobe Bryant. Now, O'neal may even be called into testify. Oh, did I mention that the two teams are playing on Christmas day?
Big Boss Stern has turned this incident into a marketing marvel for the NBA, no? The ratings for the Laker games skyrocketed after Kobe was accused of rape. Now, bringing in Shaq into the whole mess. He has Vince McMahon-like control over the whole league, doesn't he? Boss Stern, the Godfather, the Puppet-master, the Commish. And just when we thought he was losing his touch, allowing a San Antonio and New Jersey Finals.
Let no one be fooled. The Commish has all things very well in hand.
Now that we got all that controversy foolishness out of the way (and believe me, it is all foolishness).
It is an absolute travesty how this case turned out. So many mishandling of the relevant evidence lead to the trial actually being held before even the first day in court. There is no way that the jury pool will not be tainted, one way or another. The series of incompetence is so severe and so significant that it almost does seem like a conspiracy. Well, it's not. It's sad. It's a failure of the justice system.
Because there really can be no winners, whatever happens now. If the accuser does pull out of the criminal suit, then this changes the face of rape trial forever. Fewer women will be willing to come forward with rape charges, valid though they may be, because they fear such a public humiliation as the accuser suffered in this case. And even if the charges are consequently dropped, Kobe Bryant will be worse off because he will not be proved innocent. He will be innocent by default.
The only way, I've said before, that this can turn out good for Kobe Bryant is if the trial is carried through and he is acquitted on all charges and acquitted decisively. But if there is no trial, then there will still be doubt about Kobe's innocence. In fact, at this point, the trial is so tainted that his innocence will be doubted anyway.
The accuser cannot drop the charges now and follow with a civil suit without looking like a gold digger. Again, that will be a loss for other rape victims, because this case will set a precedent. If the accuser turns out to be a fraud, then that will cast a shadow on all the other rape victims, because all it takes is just one person. Whether she wanted it or not, by bringing this charge against Kobe Bryant, one of the most famous athletes in the world, she became a representative for alleged rape victims everywhere. And that is a problem in itself.
The public opinion will divide into two factions, 1: the stupid and foolish people who will say the woman dropped the charges because now she sees there's no chance for her to win and it's going to come out that she was lying (Wrong--there's no chance she'll get a fair trial, which proves in no way whether she was lying or not). And 2: the stupid and foolish who will say Kobe Bryant won the case because of his fame and stature. (Again, wrong--once the charges have been dropped, and Kobe is acquitted, but you still believe that Kobe is guilty, is that really a victory?)
The only winners of course, are the cynical, who've all gone on record as saying (and we have it all written down here at the forum, you know who you are) Kobe will get off whether he is guilty or not guilty. Because after all, this is Kobe Bryant and there's no way David Stern will let Kobe go to jail. I mean, this David Friggin Stern, for crying out loud.
All the best,
Eugene
Thu Aug 05, 2004 4:16 pm
I agree with every single word you wrote. Very nice analysis 
Thu Aug 05, 2004 5:28 pm
I agree a agree with A SINGLE WORD...then I stopped reading...too long for me.
Thu Aug 05, 2004 7:01 pm
As always, an excellent post Eugene. 
I agree. Even though he may be innocent in the eyes of the law, a lot of people will still be skeptical. If that is how the case turns out, I think I'll be one of those people. Even though I would continue to admire Kobe's highlights and respect his accomplishments, I would at times wonder about the trial. Even though I'd be inclined to suggest that he is innocent based on what we have been told, I cannot be completely sure.
Of course, one might argue that even with a decisive outcome the truth may not be known. Plenty of innocent people are punished for crimes they did not commit and plenty of guilty people walk free.
I agree again, and it would be a tremendous shame - as if the alleged victim did not already have to deal with such an image. Sometimes the image is justified as there are individuals who will go to great lengths to cause pain for other people. But as you noted it will set a precedent that will be advantageous for other celebrities, some of whom will no doubt be guilty as charged.
Because there really can be no winners, whatever happens now. If the accuser does pull out of the criminal suit, then this changes the face of rape trial forever. Fewer women will be willing to come forward with rape charges, valid though they may be, because they fear such a public humiliation as the accuser suffered in this case. And even if the charges are consequently dropped, Kobe Bryant will be worse off because he will not be proved innocent. He will be innocent by default.
I agree. Even though he may be innocent in the eyes of the law, a lot of people will still be skeptical. If that is how the case turns out, I think I'll be one of those people. Even though I would continue to admire Kobe's highlights and respect his accomplishments, I would at times wonder about the trial. Even though I'd be inclined to suggest that he is innocent based on what we have been told, I cannot be completely sure.
Of course, one might argue that even with a decisive outcome the truth may not be known. Plenty of innocent people are punished for crimes they did not commit and plenty of guilty people walk free.
The accuser cannot drop the charges now and follow with a civil suit without looking like a gold digger. Again, that will be a loss for other rape victims, because this case will set a precedent. If the accuser turns out to be a fraud, then that will cast a shadow on all the other rape victims, because all it takes is just one person.
I agree again, and it would be a tremendous shame - as if the alleged victim did not already have to deal with such an image. Sometimes the image is justified as there are individuals who will go to great lengths to cause pain for other people. But as you noted it will set a precedent that will be advantageous for other celebrities, some of whom will no doubt be guilty as charged.
Thu Aug 05, 2004 11:31 pm
Lol, this is David Sterns doing?! Ha! be serious for a minute.. David Stern... he doesn't have control over a court room or who appears before a court. The article, while its right about the mysterious woman, is just talking shit about shaq possibly having to give evidence. It has nothing to do with David Stern, don't drag his name into this shit.
Look no further than some of the idiots on this board who have called her every name under the sun. Even in this thread before my first post... which none of them responded to...
Kobe is a hard worker... very good player, a little arrogant, but he has courage. I wont diminish his accomplishments becuase of this... but... had this been iverson or dennis rodman, would it have been different? Think about it...
The accuser cannot drop the charges now and follow with a civil suit without looking like a gold digger. Again, that will be a loss for other rape victims, because this case will set a precedent. If the accuser turns out to be a fraud, then that will cast a shadow on all the other rape victims, because all it takes is just one person.
Look no further than some of the idiots on this board who have called her every name under the sun. Even in this thread before my first post... which none of them responded to...
Kobe is a hard worker... very good player, a little arrogant, but he has courage. I wont diminish his accomplishments becuase of this... but... had this been iverson or dennis rodman, would it have been different? Think about it...
Thu Aug 05, 2004 11:41 pm
well, all i gotta say is...guilty or not Kobe will be aquitted