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Postby magius on Sat Jun 19, 2004 6:20 pm

this is how it is and i basically agree with everything shaq says. If i were him id feel insulted too after all id done for the laker organization, and make no mistake, the laker dynasty is, i meant was, :twisted: the shaq dyansty. Not the shaq and kobe dynasty like with magic and kareem, not even close, just the shaq dynasty. end of story.

hell, whoever gets shaq is gonna get a shaq with maybe a little more to prove (if there is anything left), and we all know an inspired pumped up shaq is a damn right scary fucking shaq. :D beware lakers because you're gonna get bitten in the arse. good luck getting payton or malone to stick around without shaq and all hope of the only championships of their careers with the lakers gone just like that. wouldnt it be funny if malone and payton followed shaq to wherever he goes and they win a championship there? :D now i call that justice.

By Tom Friend
ESPN the Magazine


Jerry Buss is going to break up the Lakers or the state of Colorado is going to break up 'em up, but, either way, say your goodbyes.

Because the exits are coming in droves. Phil Jackson is already gone, and, the truth is, Shaquille O'Neal wants to join him.

It looks like Buss, the Lakers' owner, has made his choice: Kobe stays, the other Hall of Famers go. In other words, he is not averse to trading Shaq and is willing to build his franchise around a narcissist who's on trial for rape, doesn't make his teammates better and is in denial over all of it.

Buss apparently will stop at nothing to keep Kobe off the open market, and I've been told that means he will offer Bryant partial ownership down the road. In the short term, he'll at least offer Kobe a quasi-general manager job, meaning Kobe can help pick the new coach, and, ostensibly, Shaq's replacement.

Shaq knew this was coming, has known it for months, because he's refused to take the pay cut Buss wants him to take, the pay cut Kevin Garnett bent over backwards and took in Minnesota. Shaq says the Laker organization asked him to recruit Karl Malone last summer, asked him to recruit Gary Payton, and that it was understood they'd take care of him down the road. But they're not taking care of him, and, I'm not surprised that today he's just demanded a trade. He told me in late April he was resigned to the fact that it was time to go.

"Well, I've seen it before," he said as we sat alone in the team's El Segundo training complex. "I've seen it before. It happens with the Ewings and the Dominiques. But give me enough respect and enough courtesy and let me know. And I'll make it easier for everybody.

"But just don't tell me one thing and do another. Because you insult my intelligence like that. Just tell me. I ain't tripping. But the good thing about this country we live in, somebody will want this. Someone will want the Diesel. I've got about five, six good years left in me. Because the stuff that I'm doing, I still got a whole lot of stuff in me. I'm not even allowed to really take over the game how I want to. So I'm just out there playing on fumes right now."


Shaq says the Lakers vowed to get him 'whatever you need' after recruiting Malone and Payton.
O'Neal has a lot of beefs with the franchise. They are, in no particular order:

# Buss hasn't made his contract extension a priority.

"People act like they care, but they don't really care about you," he said in our interview. "Because if they cared about you like they said they did, then stuff would be in place. And that's the only problem I have with business. I'm so honest and stern that if you don't want me here, just let me know. I'll do my time, and we can make up a story together, and it can be easy. But don't say, 'Hey, if you do this [recruit Malone], and you do this [recruit Payton], I'll get you whatever you need, baby.' And then when I do that and it comes time and here you are messing around and jiggling around.

"My thing is, if you're not going to pay me that, let me go. I've been in the game 12 years, I've been lucky enough to get three extensions in one lifetime, which is unheard of. So I'm not really complaining. But let me know. And don't try to match my numbers up against somebody else's numbers [Garnett's].

"I'm not a dummy. I understand they want to go younger, [Kobe's] only 25, 26. I'm not tripping over that. But let me know, just let me know. I don't have a problem, just let me know. Give me that respect and give me that courtesy. Let me know."

# They should appreciate the fact that he didn't rip Kobe's head off this year.

Think about it. Bryant called Shaq "fat" before the season. He said that Shaq begs out of games with mysterious injuries and that if he leaves the franchise, it'll be because of the big fella.

Shaq, somehow, never retaliated. When Kobe was late for meetings all year and late for practices, Shaq never said anything. When Kobe had his own mysterious injury [the sliced finger], Shaq never said anything. When Kobe wouldn't shoot that day in Sacramento, Shaq never said anything.

And the reason is, he'd promised Malone and Payton back in November he'd stay off of Kobe's case.

"[The rift] didn't flare up again, because I promised Karl and Gary and all my other teammates," Shaq said. "I was advised to be the bigger man. To be corporate. Because he's already going through a delicate situation [in Eagle, Colo.] and I don't want to add to it. So I said, 'Just be the bigger man.' I'm big. I'm corporate.

"See, even though I'm Shaq, I still have people over me. People over me who I respect and when they speak, there's no questions asked. A lot of people called me. The owner of the Staples Center called me and said, 'You did the right thing.' I always have corporate meetings, and they said, 'You did the right thing. You're good, Shaq. Appreciate that.'

"See, with me and Karl and Gary and a lot of other guys, you can say something and it doesn't matter how you say it. They don't take it the wrong way. For example, I can say, 'Come on, Devean, mother------, play hard.' I can say that to Karl. But a sensitive guy will take that very sensitively."

Like Kobe?

"Like Kobe."

# Kobe's style of play drives him batty.

No question, he admires Kobe's skills, but everything Shaq's stepfather said in San Antonio -- that Kobe essentially plays with blinders on -- Shaq agrees with.

"John Wooden told me when I was 18, 19 years old, the sign of a great player is not how many points you score, but how you make your other guys play with you," Shaq said. "That's a great player. A lot of these guys now think if you score points and if you do all that sh-- around the basket, you're a great player. And that's not true basketball, and that's not the type of basketball I know how to play. If you've got a guy open, hit him. I may miss a guy once or twice, but I'm not gonna miss you three, four, five, six, seven, eight, nine, 10 times.

"I could score 40 every night. If I shot the mother------ all the time. But you've got to keep Rick Fox involved, because you're gonna need Rick. You've got to keep D-Fish [Derek Fisher] warm. You've got to keep all these guys warm."

# Phil and his beloved triangle shouldn't be the scapegoats.

Obviously, Shaq enjoyed that Phil ran the offense through him, but he also knows where the Lakers were before Jackson showed up: nowhere.

"So, to bring somebody else in would be to start all over, and I don't have time to start all over," he said in our interview. "And I don't really need to start all over, because the formula's written, we know what we've got to do."

Shaq also thought Kobe was inappropriate when he said he didn't like Phil "as a person" this year.

"Me being a professional, that wouldn't happen with me, because I was raised under discipline," he said. "Of course, you'll have your disagreements and all that. But if I didn't like the man like that, I wouldn't make it a national thing. Like I said, I'm loyal. Because I could never get over the hump, and Phil's the man that brought me over. Period. He's the best at what he does. Track record proves it. He has 9 [titles], going on 10."

But what Shaq says doesn't matter anymore, which is why he blew off his exit meeting Friday with general manager Mitch Kupchak. He's convinced the Lakers are already planning to trade him ... the same way Wilt was traded once, the same way Kareem was traded once.

Orlando is the place that has the first overall pick to dangle, the place that has tons more No. 1s stockpiled to give up, the place Shaq still owns a home in.

And Orlando is the only place that makes sense. Orlando is the place that has the first overall pick to dangle, and a ton of other No. 1 picks to add to the package. Orlando is the place that has huge contracts to send back to make the deal work, like Grant Hill's and Juwan Howard's. Orlando is the place Shaq still owns a home, and if Shaq comes, trust me, Tracy McGrady will rescind his trade request. This is the trade that Shaq wants.

And trust me, he's thought about life after Kobe ... thought about it a lot. Thought about all the scenarios.

Like the scenario of him staying and Kobe going to the Clippers.

"It wouldn't be a real rivalry," he said. "It'll be a media rivalry. Won't be a real rivalry. You have to do something and be something before you can become a rival. Like, Napoleon wouldn't have had a rival with a guy that had one sheep and one cow and no army. You know? I don't care how much they say, 'Hey, this guy with one sheep and one cow and his brother that's 50 years old, he's a cold cat. And he's gonna take out Napoleon and that whole army by himself.' So Kobe on the Clippers, that wouldn't be no rivalry. It'd just be, hey, he used to play here and now he's duh duh duh. It'll just be hype. Hype for a night."

Or the scenario of Kobe going not to another team ... but to jail.

Or the scenario of them playing against each other in next year's Finals.

"If we split up and I don't win, then everybody'll say, 'Well, if Shaq had Kobe, he would've won.' And if he don't win, it'll be, 'Well, if Kobe had Shaq, he could've won.' That's what everybody will be saying next year ...

"Well, I like my chances better."

Tom Friend is a senior writer for ESPN The Magazine. E-mail him at tom.friend@espnmag.com.


source: http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/columns/story?id=1824721
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Postby Andrew on Sat Jun 19, 2004 6:41 pm

Great read. It really sums the situation up nicely. (Y) I'm still a little skeptical though. Shaq has expressed desire to move on before and has always seemed to go back on his word, denying reports that he's expressed interest in returning to Orlando, or going anywhere else for that matter after (apparently) telling reporters otherwise. It does sound a little different this time, but I won't believe Shaq's leaving the Lakers until it happens.
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Postby Ataraxia on Sat Jun 19, 2004 6:51 pm

shaq's a big fat blob now :lol: kidding :wink:

well yeah i think if we just look back to all-star weekend and his stupid kiddy type "Oh-Ha" shout i think he showed he pretty much likes the beach lifestyle....also few teams will want shaq cause hes not easy to get along with specially with fellow stars.....maybe the Hawks should get him :lol:

well kobe will leave and prolly join the clippers....clippers could be the turnaround team along with bulls or hawks next season like Nuggets and Grizzlies were last season.....

well good luck to lakers...im no big fan of em them so i could care less :lol:

Go Nuggets,Spurs and Knicks :D

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Postby fgrep15 on Sat Jun 19, 2004 6:59 pm

Man that's a sick pick of Dre, I want an avatar like that, good ol' Andre.
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Postby Jackal on Sat Jun 19, 2004 9:02 pm

Man that's a sick pick of Dre, I want an avatar like that, good ol' Andre.


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Great article Magius, thanx for the link.

...I said I would be a Laker fan first, Shaq fan second. I wasnt counting on Kobe being in LA and Shaq being elsewhere? :cry:

Eh, Shaq > Kobe. I'll pick him anyday, any team.

For the rest, LA all the way. :)


Btw, these kind of articles probably get Shaq on the All-Interview team, he's quite open + friendly to the reporters apparently.
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Postby Riot on Sat Jun 19, 2004 10:11 pm

"Shaq knew this was coming, has known it for months, because he's refused to take the pay cut Buss wants him to take, the pay cut Kevin Garnett bent over backwards and took in Minnesota"



??!?!?!?!

WTF?!?! A cheap shot at KG? For taking a pay cut? Wtf is that about?
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Postby Steve04 on Sat Jun 19, 2004 10:41 pm

Psycho Jackal wrote:...I said I would be a Laker fan first, Shaq fan second. I wasnt counting on Kobe being in LA and Shaq being elsewhere? :cry:

Eh, Shaq > Kobe. I'll pick him anyday, any team.

For the rest, LA all the way. :)[/b][/i][/color]

Btw, these kind of articles probably get Shaq on the All-Interview team, he's quite open + friendly to the reporters apparently.


Hehe, I'm probably the opposite. I'm a Laker fan..but I like Kobe better than Shaq..So I'd have probably cheered for whatever team Kobe went to.
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Postby The Big Racist on Sat Jun 19, 2004 11:05 pm

Seems like a lot of Laker fans are gonna jump on the bandwagon... loosers :P
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Postby matmat8 on Sat Jun 19, 2004 11:53 pm

Thanks for the read (Y)
That makes things clear...you can tell why Lakers didn't win too...
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Postby Steve04 on Sun Jun 20, 2004 12:17 am

I think it's funny how everything is blame Kobe this year. He did the exact same thing last year except for the fact that he was making his shots. They still lost. But this year he missed enough of those shots that its his fault.
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Postby Jackal on Sun Jun 20, 2004 12:37 am

It's always been Bryants fault...

When they were winning, Shaq was shooting more = more touches. Since Bryants getting more shots, Shaq's touches have gone down, we've seen the result of that, haven't we?

*sigh* Laker fan, Shmaker fan, Kobe..please go away. There, I said it. Prove you can lead your own team, this...I want to see.


Seems like a lot of Laker fans are gonna jump on the bandwagon... loosers


*sigh* This coming from a sudden Kobe fan after he scored that 40 point stretch, please. I don't see anyone jumping as yet..
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Postby Steve04 on Sun Jun 20, 2004 12:41 am

Well I guess for your its pretty sad that Bryant might be staying and Shaq's leaving. And since Bryant is the uber-selfish narcissist who hogs the ball the Lakers have no chance of winning without Shaq. Thus, you and me are in for long days of Laker suffering. Oh wait, or are you going to cheer for somebody else? :wink:
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Postby Jackal on Sun Jun 20, 2004 12:53 am

Nopes, Kobe will leave LA eventually.

I didnt see me saying I will root for another team.

I did say, I will root for Shaq over Kobe. :wink:
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Postby Steve04 on Sun Jun 20, 2004 12:56 am

Exactly, Kobe's signing in LA..Shaq might get traded..so when they play..You're going to root for Shaq's team. :wink:
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Postby Jackal on Sun Jun 20, 2004 12:57 am

Yeps, if they are matched up against each other, I will.

When Kobe's on the bench, I'll be back for LA though. :cool:
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Postby The Big Racist on Sun Jun 20, 2004 9:09 am

Im glad Im not a Lakers fan,Kobe to Philly! oh,wait,it's impossible cause nobody wants to play for Lakers cause they started to rebuild!
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Postby Riot on Sun Jun 20, 2004 9:48 am

Riot wrote:"Shaq knew this was coming, has known it for months, because he's refused to take the pay cut Buss wants him to take, the pay cut Kevin Garnett bent over backwards and took in Minnesota"



??!?!?!?!

WTF?!?! A cheap shot at KG? For taking a pay cut? Wtf is that about?
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Postby DipSetVC on Sun Jun 20, 2004 10:38 am

Martin wrote:Im glad Im not a Lakers fan,Kobe to Philly! oh,wait,it's impossible cause nobody wants to play for Lakers cause they started to rebuild!


You mean the Sixers have no one to offer the Lakers? Everyone on the Sixers is signed long-term and with names like John Salmons, Aaron McKie, Eric Snow all hitting the jackpot, why would any team in their right mind deal with the Sixers. ESPN has said many times that the Sixers financial situation is almost worse than the Knicks'.
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Postby Fresh8 on Sun Jun 20, 2004 2:25 pm

I'll root for LA and still preach Kobe's Greatness!

KOBE NUMBER 1!
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Postby Matt on Sun Jun 20, 2004 2:55 pm

if i was Kobe i'd sign with................Memphis

good supporting cast, they won 50 games, they just need a star on their team......how good would Memphis be.........but Kobe would have to pass
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Postby Andrew on Mon Jun 21, 2004 12:30 pm

It's possible, but it depends on Kobe's willingness to accept a smaller deal than he is worth, or the Lakers' willingness to work out a sign-and-trade deal.
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Postby magius on Mon Jun 21, 2004 4:25 pm

i doubt such a scenario would happen considering the lakers recent ill-advised loyalty towards the said player. Kobe will most likely stay in LA where they can offer him more money, more spotlight, and all the shots he wants to take whenever he wants to take them.
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Postby Jackal on Tue Jun 22, 2004 2:20 am

magius wrote:i doubt such a scenario would happen considering the lakers recent ill-advised loyalty towards the said player. Kobe will most likely stay in LA where they can offer him more money, more spotlight, and all the shots he wants to take whenever he wants to take them.


Even if it goes at the cost of the game. :)
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Postby . on Tue Jun 22, 2004 2:38 am

Psycho Jackal wrote:
magius wrote:i doubt such a scenario would happen considering the lakers recent ill-advised loyalty towards the said player. Kobe will most likely stay in LA where they can offer him more money, more spotlight, and all the shots he wants to take whenever he wants to take them.


Even if it goes at the cost of the game. :)

And when they need points because every other Laker was shooting bricks or to lazy to shoot.
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