NBA FINALS "LAKERS vs. PISTONS"

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Who will be the 03-04 NBA Champion

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Postby Bang on Wed Jun 16, 2004 10:51 pm

Riot wrote:Lakers won't contend next year because the T-Wolves will dominate next year!


Just because the T-wolves "dominate" next year doesn't mean the Lakers can't contend. Unless you mean contend for championship.
But Twolves, bleah. Detroit has a stronger chance of repeating than the Twolves dominating.

Who can the twolves get? No one.
Who will they lose? Troy Hudson.
Will their stars improve? No.
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Postby hmm on Wed Jun 16, 2004 11:01 pm

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Postby Bang on Wed Jun 16, 2004 11:07 pm

I agree with you completely.
Kobe is selfish, arrogant, annoying and should die for his sins.
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Postby Bang on Wed Jun 16, 2004 11:09 pm

well if we had the FULL Lakers, it would have been different.
And Kobe sucks.
I hate him now.
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Postby hmm on Wed Jun 16, 2004 11:27 pm

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Postby Bang on Wed Jun 16, 2004 11:37 pm

The Lakers went to the finals.
How quickly people forget that.
TEAM THIS, TEAM THAT.
Weren't we a team when we beat the Spurs? the Twolves?
I don't know, it wasn't really Shaq's show then.
The reason? Kobe.
Kobe forgot how to pass in the finals.
Filled with hubris and with the false notion that he could be Finals MVP if he took crazy shots.
Wait a second? There are other players.
The thing is, EVERY SINGLE LAKERS PLAY MUST BEGIN WITH SHAQ.
If Shaq gets the ball:
a) the opposing big men get into foul trouble.
b) the defenders will start double teaming him eventually.
c) leaves people open.
d) gets the ball moving.
e) Shaq will more likely than not make it.

With Kobe shooting like a madman pretending he's Michael Jordan, Kobe ruined the Lakers offense.
The problem was, Kobe was supposed to fill Pippen's role, not Jordan's role. I have no idea why the Lakers didn't just pass to Shaq in every posession. It makes no sense whatsoever.

Larry Brown was excellent at reading Kobe's mind, he just thought, "What would Allen Iverson do?" and voila! He sure does know Iverson. So it worked on Kobe. Lakers 2005 Champs sans Kobe Bryant!.
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Postby hmm on Wed Jun 16, 2004 11:41 pm

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Postby Macca on Thu Jun 17, 2004 12:51 am

Man, it don't matter that the Lakers didn't show up for the game. The matter of the fact is that the Pistons earned that trophy, they fought in the East, to get ot where they are. IT's the Lakers' own fault that they blew it, they could've capitilized on a lot of missed opportunities and as it is, the Pistons killed them, they shut thme down.

I'm gonna congratulate the Pistons, and Ben Wallace, who has fought hard to be where he is, and has shown that defence can win games.

Secondly, the Pistons playmaker, Chauncey Billups... MVP for 2004 Finals. He derved that award and led his team throughout the playoffs, and is like the modern Zeke or Joe D. That would of course make Ben Wallace... Dennis Rodman and so on.

But to the Lakers fans, think about this. For the past 4 years, you've dominated. You've woin 3/5 titles in that time. Don't you think you should all take a break and go to the driving range?? KObe is unlikely to be back and Phil might leave, Karl might go. Just accept wehat you have, and at least give the Pistons their glory... hell it's been 2 years for you and 16 for the Pistons.
So well done to the Pistons, they will be tought o beat next year.
MOTOWN PISTONS RULE...

(and by the way, to clear things up, Ben Wallace can curl 400lbs, stated by his former high school coach)

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Postby Pointgod5 on Thu Jun 17, 2004 2:32 am

Detroit all the way.. :P All happened in 5 games.
4-1. Detroit played awesome D.They played like a team.
East won,thats unbelievable.I still can´t believe it.
MVP Billups played very good in Finals,he created plays,played good D on Payton etc.
Man deserved it.
Yeah,O´Neal played like himself,he had one bad game only,when he scored 14 or something,but Shaq dominated the game.
Det killed Kobe,they played good defense on him.They played like a team.

I´m happy :)
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Postby Ben-le-ouf on Thu Jun 17, 2004 3:20 am

I'm so disappointed by the Lakers' performance... Before the finals, I would never have thought that Pistons could dominate the Lakers this way. Those Pistons in finals were not the same Pistons who have had so many problems against NJ and Indiana...
Detroit had total control from the 1st game to the 5th. I still can't believe it. Congratulations to Pistons... (Y)

I hope that Lakers Management is starting about good trades and stuff and that they will stop doing odd jobs with the team roster. Why didn't they try to sign young guys like Jason Terry or Gilbert Arenas instead of 2 old all-stars? Maaan, I'm so sad Jerry West is working for the Grizzlies now.. If West was within the lakers, maybe the situation would not be the same now. :cry:
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Postby HowAreYao? on Thu Jun 17, 2004 5:25 am

psycho jackal:

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HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!

The pleasure was all MINE :D
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Postby LegoT-Mac on Thu Jun 17, 2004 5:28 am

lonesomecowboy33 wrote: I would never have thought that Pistons could dominate the Lakers this way.


i knew an beleived that the Pistons could do it. an they did. Awesome work Detroit!!!!!!!
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Postby LegoT-Mac on Thu Jun 17, 2004 5:32 am

bangyounh wrote:Kobe forgot how to pass in the finals.


all u care bout is Shaq. Basketball aint a one man sport u know. I dont blame Kobe for tryin to bring his team up. he is capable of that. Shaq is just huge thats why he gets all the points. no one can stop him.
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Postby Riot on Thu Jun 17, 2004 5:32 am

bangyounh wrote:
Riot wrote:Lakers won't contend next year because the T-Wolves will dominate next year!


Just because the T-wolves "dominate" next year doesn't mean the Lakers can't contend. Unless you mean contend for championship.
But Twolves, bleah. Detroit has a stronger chance of repeating than the Twolves dominating.

Who can the twolves get? No one.
Who will they lose? Troy Hudson.
Will their stars improve? No.



I completely disagree. KG will always get better. He got more experienced. He has one of the best work ethics ever.

Troy Hudson is staying in Minnesota.

We can get Free Agents, MLE, LLE, Trades, ect.

And of course I mean contend for the championship...what else does contend mean?
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Postby Jackal on Thu Jun 17, 2004 6:38 am

T_Mac wrote:no one can stop him.


You said it yourself. :cool:

Guys, what can I say except great games by Detroit. I wont bullshit and say stuff like they deserve it etc, ehm...duh they deserve it, they won didnt they?

Detroit > LA.

On to the off-season. :)


Oh, an interesting read:

Why Detroit won
by Dennis Hans / June 15, 2004

The Detroit Pistons are the 2004 NBA champions for a host of reasons, foremost among them the brilliance of Ben Wallace and Chauncey Billups, the Carolina Connection and perfectionist approach of coach Larry Brown, and the terrible luck of the great Karl Malone.

A reasonably healthy Malone would have transformed the lopsided Finals into a six- or seven-game epic struggle of close, hard-fought games, though the Pistons would have probably won just the same. Still, Malone’s injury does not detract from the Pistons’ magnificent effort and the major contributions from their players, coaches and front office.

As I explained before the series, Ben Wallace is one of the few people in the league who can do a respectable job, all by his lonesome, on the mighty Shaq — and do so without fouling excessively. Ben was the primary defender on Shaq, generally giving way only when Elden Campbell was on the floor, yet he never got in foul trouble. That was critical, because it allowed him to be his hustling, harassing, deflecting and
rebounding self for 41 full-bore minutes a game. Ben proved again that not only is he the best defender in the league — the gifted Ron Artest simply isn’t in his class — but the smartest as well.

Billups made great strides in the Finals toward becoming the floor general his coach wants him to be — all the while averaging better than 20 points a game. Brown’s season-long badgering about shot selection and “playing the game the right way” finally paid dividends, as we saw very few of those pull-up trey attempts on the break, a la Baron Davis or Jason Williams, that rightly drove Brown to distraction. Billups drove and dished, drove and finished, and ran the pick-and-roll with Rasheed Wallace to perfection. Billups also joined his running mate, the tireless and deadly Rip Hamilton, in getting and draining an awful lot of good-percentage mid-range jumpers. Those are the kind of shots Brown loves, because they make your offense highly resistant to droughts.

Brown received unexpected help early in the season from a Carolina Connection acquaintance — over-the-hill Phoenix Suns benchwarmer Scott Williams. Granted, it was an accident when Williams wrecked the knee of
the previously indestructible Karl Malone. But that partially torn ligament sidelined the Mailman for three months, and when he did return he was one awkward landing away from immobility.

In those moments of the Finals when Malone could move a little bit (mostly the first quarters, before his knee stiffened up), he not only put the clamps on Rasheed, he consistently got him in foul trouble. Granted, this was mild foul trouble. It’s Brown’s fault, not the refs, that Rasheed sat out so many second quarters with just two fouls. Brown’s extreme caution cut into Rasheed’s minutes, prevented him from getting into an offensive groove or learning how to play effectively with fouls, and would have been a huge factor if the Lakers had ended up winning the Finals.

Malone was the defensive hero against San Antonio and Minnesota, neutralizing the league’s past two MVPs. Fortunately for the Pistons, he tweaked the knee late in the Minnesota series, and a second tweak early in the Finals really set him back, and not just defensively. On offense, he couldn’t cut and slash to the hoop. All he could do was hang around outside and hope to make a jumper or a nice pass. But those passing lanes close up when the defender knows he doesn’t have to worry about anything — not drives, not cuts, not outside shots.

Make no mistake, Malone’s injury was a devastating blow. As was evident during the regular season, the Lakers are a far weaker team without him — at both ends of the court. Let’s hope he makes a complete recovery and rejoins the Lakers for another run at that elusive ring.

One thing this series made clear for those who hadn’t already figured it out is that Kobe Bryant, despite his obvious greatness and stunning ability to deliver in the clutch, is not the player or athlete that Michael Jordan was in his prime. That’s no knock on Kobe; it’s just a fact. Jordan was more quick, springy and elusive, and he had the rare ability to get himself or a teammate a really good shot most any time. Kobe was not able to do this on a consistent basis throughout the series, and that was a factor in his own and the Lakers’ difficulties scoring.

And that leads to another key factor: the Pistons’ individual and team defense, particularly on Kobe. Tayshaun Prince and his long arms could stay up on Kobe because he knew he had help, usually from Rasheed, if Kobe drove. Rasheed was free to help because Ben battled Shaq on his own. All Rasheed had to do was keep one eye on helpless Karl or the struggling Slava Medvedenko while playing the combo role of rover back and traffic cop, barking out advice to teammates about picks and stuff.

One reason Rasheed was there — “there” being the city of Detroit — is that darn Carolina Connection. If Larry Brown did not know Rasheed but merely knew of his reputation, he might have decided that Rasheed would be more trouble than he’s worth and passed up the chance to grab him. Both Brown and Pistons president Joe Dumars wanted Rasheed and were confident he’d fit in well, not only on both ends of the court, but in the locker room. They were right.

So all in all, it was one heckuva championship effort by all the Pistons, from the owner Bill Davidson, who had the smarts to hire Dumars, to the coach and the players.
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Postby Drex on Thu Jun 17, 2004 8:14 am

Congratulations to the Pistons on their 3rd championship. They were the clearly the better team, and just out-played the Lakers for almost the full series.
To Kobe: pass the ball, you think you can win this thing by yourself against a player who have a 7'2 wingspan, and two great shot-blockers. Pass the ball, somebody is waiting for the ball in the post.
I feel a little bad for Karl and Gary, but I also feel great for Detroit, a team with no real stars (Big Ben?) that won to the mighty Lakers :P

Enough with that TEAM crap.
Whatever, we've won 3 rings without a team, you guys only one.
Oh yea, Bulls 6 with Jordan.
So TEAMS suck I guess.
Great thinking.

:roll: Well, maybe Detroit wins again next year, and the year after...
The Bulls did have a team, everybody had a role, and respected that. Same with the Lakers in 00-01/01-02 and to a point 02-03. They all had roles. Unfortunately, these past 2 years, things changed.

We'll see how the Pistons will become when success gets into their heads.
Pistons are a team of former failures.

FORMER FAILURES. Now, NBA Champions. Show some respect :P

Ben Wallace- undrafted. nuff said.
Chauncey Billups - man he was thrown around teams like hell and never too successful in other teams.
Tayshuan Prince - Whatever monkey
Rasheed Wallace - Great player in the past but later on tossed because of attitude.
Rip Hamilton - um...the Wizards?

-2 time defensive player of the year.
-MVP of the Finals.
-Slow Kobe to a point I've never saw him.
-Key contributor to the championship with his defense and scoring.
-Almost MVP of the Finals.

so they haven't tasted success.

They haven't?? :roll:

One last thing (I hoped I could make this sometime):
Na Na Na Na
Na Na Na Na
He He Hey
GOODBYE :D
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Postby Jackal on Thu Jun 17, 2004 8:20 am

HowAreYao? wrote:psycho jackal:

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.............

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!

The pleasure was all MINE :D


Naw, not all of it. A bit of plessure was mine when LA kicked out Yao + Houston. Plessure was mine when LA kicked out SA, the former NBA Champions, being down 0-2, ask some of the guys on the forum, they remember that. Plessure was mine when LA kicked out Garnett, the MVP + his team. Us Laker boys had some plessure, I don't know what plessure you had.

The better team one, don't try and insult me for being a Lakers fan. Thanks. :)
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Postby fish23 on Thu Jun 17, 2004 9:14 am

psycho jackal, are you a lakers or a pistons fan?
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Postby . on Thu Jun 17, 2004 9:27 am

Some members including me and Jackal were in this bet, we said that the Lakers would win the championship, if that wouldnt happen, then we would change our avaters and signatures into something Pro-Pistons untill 07/01.
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Postby HowAreYao? on Thu Jun 17, 2004 10:17 am

Psycho Jackal wrote:
HowAreYao? wrote:psycho jackal:

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.............

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!

The pleasure was all MINE :D


Naw, not all of it. A bit of plessure was mine when LA kicked out Yao + Houston. Plessure was mine when LA kicked out SA, the former NBA Champions, being down 0-2, ask some of the guys on the forum, they remember that. Plessure was mine when LA kicked out Garnett, the MVP + his team. Us Laker boys had some plessure, I don't know what plessure you had.

The better team one, don't try and insult me for being a Lakers fan. Thanks. :)


You keep trying to come at me with the Rocket's loss as if it was some life changing event to me. I didn't expect the Rockets to win the championship, or anywhere close for that matter, unlike you and your Lakers. It was not a disappointment for me, as I was just happy to see the playoffs again after a 5 year hiatus. You can't say the same about your Lakers.

Secondly, SPELL words correctly! Are you in 2nd grade?

plessure = pleasure
one = won (in the context in which you used it)

You try to punk me and come out looking less intelligent than before you posted.
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Postby fish23 on Thu Jun 17, 2004 11:54 am

k08e4mvp wrote:Some members including me and Jackal were in this bet, we said that the Lakers would win the championship, if that wouldnt happen, then we would change our avaters and signatures into something Pro-Pistons untill 07/01.


hehe, glad i didn't join that bet. the lakers and the pistons WERE the 2 teams i rooted for to make the finals. i think it was a great ride this season for both teams. the lakers team can be viewed as a disappontment if you base it on the preseason expectations, but considering all that went wrong, the lakers did a hell of a job to get this far.

too bad for malone, for some reason i don't feel too sorry for gary payton. I do love the pistons style of play, especially when i use them in nl04.

I'd rather have ben wallace on my team any day over shaq. even if shaq would win 1on1, i'd rather have a workhorse who will rebound, block, steal and defend consistently and score at times when needed rather than a dominant scorer who will defend and rebound when he feels like it.

kobe took some bad shots, but at least he was working his butt off on both ends. it's annoying when you have 6'3" guard drive all the way in and a 7'1" center won't even put up his hand or jump a little bit to try and block (or maybe at least change) the shot.

i think ben & kobe would be a better fit than shaq & kobe. that's why i often have both on the same team when i have a dynasty. :)
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Postby j.23 on Thu Jun 17, 2004 1:14 pm

im having a hard time letting this sink in .....

darvin ham a nba champion :lol: wtf !
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Postby Waz on Thu Jun 17, 2004 4:09 pm

j.23 wrote:im having a hard time letting this sink in .....

darvin ham a nba champion :lol: wtf !

Darko Milicic the youngest nba champion lol
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Postby Matt on Thu Jun 17, 2004 4:23 pm

the Pistons struggles with Nets and Pacers were because those teams played a team orientated game and they had guys that can put it on the floor....Lakers have spot up shooters, those guys aren't gonna hurt you if you play everyone man on man.......Shaq wasn't dbld much and the rest couldn't hit anything, great strategy
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