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Re: Ultimate Base RosterV5 [51 Extra Retro Teams] + Upd. Ros

Postby aaron91 on Wed Feb 15, 2012 6:15 am

No offense Hawk I love what you do, but a bunch of the player ratings seem to be off, in terms of the abilities and skills. Would you want me to make a running list of things that need to / could be changed?
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Re: Ultimate Base RosterV5 [51 Extra Retro Teams] + Upd. Ros

Postby Gozda on Wed Feb 15, 2012 7:10 am

I think I found a bug: Players which are included in this roster and the original players by 2k have wrong colleges. For Example Hakeem Olajuwon is from Hong Kong and MJ isn't from N.Carolina. I know it isn't very irritating, I'm just saying. People, do you have the same situation, or I did something wrong while installing a patch? http://freeware.info.pl/software.html
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Re: Ultimate Base RosterV5 [51 Extra Retro Teams] + Upd. Ros

Postby Brent72 on Wed Feb 15, 2012 8:03 am

I was playing '09 Lakers vs. '08 Celtics on Boston's home court and it crashed a couple minutes into the game.
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Re: Ultimate Base RosterV5 [51 Extra Retro Teams] + Upd. Ros

Postby MJALLDAY on Wed Feb 15, 2012 11:01 am

Hawk please add the 94-95 Bulls, they'd be an easy make, you have all the jerseys and cyberfaces except Pete Myers already in the game and you can use the ratings from 2k11.
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Re: Ultimate Base RosterV5 [51 Extra Retro Teams] + Upd. Ros

Postby FishBowlMan on Wed Feb 15, 2012 11:39 am

First off, let me thank Hawk and anyone else involved in this project for bringing us these quality add-ons. I love the late 90's era so its great to play with and against these classic teams.

Gozda wrote:I think I found a bug: Players which are included in this roster and the original players by 2k have wrong colleges. For Example Hakeem Olajuwon is from Hong Kong and MJ isn't from N.Carolina. I know it isn't very irritating, I'm just saying. People, do you have the same situation, or I did something wrong while installing a patch?

I have the same issue. it seems like the ID used for the college is one lower than it should be. e.g. Greg Ostertag is listed as being from Japan. Add 1 to the number and you get to Kansas. Sam Cassell listed as Florida International. Add 1 and we get the correct Florida State. etc.

Also, I have a chap called Bobby Mason coaching the '97/'98 & '06/'07 Jazz instead of Jerry Sloan. This is on version 5 of the roster.

Question: am I supposed to install each of the versions of your roster, or does the latest version download include all previous updates?

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Re: Ultimate Base RosterV5 [51 Extra Retro Teams] + Upd. Ros

Postby Yungboy21Ent on Wed Feb 15, 2012 11:44 am

Loving this update Hawk! Can't wait till you add Albys new 2.0 roster to this (Y)
For now I'll keep using this one..
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Re: Ultimate Base RosterV5 [51 Extra Retro Teams] + Upd. Ros

Postby nuhmete on Wed Feb 15, 2012 11:58 am

FishBowlMan wrote:Question: am I supposed to install each of the versions of your roster, or does the latest version download include all previous updates?

Nah, you just need to install the latest and that's it.

The college issue is most probably caused by a scramble. Can anyone confirm if every single player's college is wrong or just some are affected? Does raising the value +1 work with every player?
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Re: Ultimate Base RosterV5 [51 Extra Retro Teams] + Upd. Ros

Postby jsader on Wed Feb 15, 2012 1:01 pm

Brent72 wrote:I was playing '09 Lakers vs. '08 Celtics on Boston's home court and it crashed a couple minutes into the game.


I used the 07-08 Celtics at home and it crashed, as well as on the road at the 08-09 Cavs.
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Re: Ultimate Base RosterV5 [51 Extra Retro Teams] + Upd. Ros

Postby Brent72 on Wed Feb 15, 2012 1:06 pm

jsader wrote:
I used the 07-08 Celtics at home and it crashed, as well as on the road at the 08-09 Cavs.


Yeah, I tried games on both Lakers and Celtics courts and it crashed both times. Wasn't sure which team was causing the problem, but apparently it's the Celtics.
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Re: Ultimate Base RosterV5 [51 Extra Retro Teams] + Upd. Ros

Postby jsader on Wed Feb 15, 2012 1:17 pm

Brent72 wrote:
jsader wrote:
I used the 07-08 Celtics at home and it crashed, as well as on the road at the 08-09 Cavs.


Yeah, I tried games on both Lakers and Celtics courts and it crashed both times. Wasn't sure which team was causing the problem, but apparently it's the Celtics.


I also got a crash on the 92 Dream Team, and the 97-98 Pacers.
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Re: Ultimate Base RosterV5 [51 Extra Retro Teams] + Upd. Ros

Postby FishBowlMan on Wed Feb 15, 2012 1:18 pm

nuhmete wrote:
FishBowlMan wrote:Question: am I supposed to install each of the versions of your roster, or does the latest version download include all previous updates?

Nah, you just need to install the latest and that's it.

Thanks. I assumed so, but just thought I'd check :) There must be another explanation for the lack of Jerry Sloan.

nuhmete wrote:The college issue is most probably caused by a scramble. Can anyone confirm if every single player's college is wrong or just some are affected? Does raising the value +1 work with every player?

A random sample of 30 players from the retro rosters seems to indicate all the colleges / associations are wrong. I'm assuming they are 1 out by looking at the college list in the "create a player" menu in-game. I don't have any editors so I don't know whether they follow that format in the underlying database.

This only seems to apply to the created / added teams. The default (2011 / 2012) team's players have the correct colleges as far as I can tell.
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Game Crashes

Postby FishBowlMan on Wed Feb 15, 2012 2:28 pm

There seems to be 2 separate issues relating to game crashing.

#1 seems to be to do with the courts and will cause a crash as soon as the game mode is entered. I have experienced this crash but have no idea what causes it. A post by andrefaelner a few posts back detailed the retro courts that cause the crash.I don't know how to add a link to a previous post so I'll quote the relevant courts that he's discovered:

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chok9 wrote:
jaelove wrote:Tried to start a game with the '97 76ers with the chicago bulls and the game crashed


same thing happened to me. I think there's a problem with the 6ers home court?

that happened to me as well. actually i was testing out all the retro teams of which one is crashing and which team is not crashing

List of Retro Teams That Crash Using UBR V5:
71-72 Bulls
*77-78 Bullets
*92-93 Nets
*96-97 Rockets
*96-97 Bullets
96-97 Sixers
*97-98 Pacers
*00-01 Bucks
*99-00 Pacers
*03-04 Pacers

Legend:
* - It was working in the previous version which is in V4.1



The second crash / freeze happens in-game at what "appears" to be random times. I've narrowed it down and can suggest a quick-fix but am not entirely sure of the reasons for this.

It is either to do with playbooks, or player's "play types".

During a game, if the user or the computer tries to assign a play to a player who has this issue, the game will freeze. For the computer, immediately after a basket (and I assume a rebound) the computer will allocate the next play. If it is for a player not affected, the game procedes as normal. If the player is affected, the game will crash.

Also, if the user manually tries to assign a play to the affected player, the game will similarly crash.

This also applies to the "scrimmage" and "practice - plays" mode, which is how I worked out how to solve the issue.

To test a team, the easiest way to check is to run a scrimmage with a created team. With the ball, try and call a play for the pg, sg, sf, pf & c in turn. If you hit an affected player, the game will freeze. If all 5 players are ok, substitute the next 5 players in the roster and try again. Similarly with the final 2. If there are no crashes, that team is fine and will not crash during the game.


The quick fix for the problem once you've identified the player is to find him in the "Rosters - Edit Player" and scroll down to the "Play Types". If the player has "Pick & Roll" selected, change this to either "P & R Ball Handler" or "P & R Roll Man". For any other plays, I've found that if you scroll round until the same play is selected, this seems to cure the issue.

Make sure you click the "next" button to save the changes you've made.

I've currently found the following players to be an issue, and this method has so far cured the problem.

'97 / '98 Utah Jazz - Brian Russell
'07 / '08 Boston Celtics - Paul Pierce
'92 Dream Team - David Robinson

These teams I've looked at and have not experienced a problem:

'08 / '09 Orlando Magic
'99 / '00 Portland Trailblazers
'08 / '09 Houston Rockets
'97 / '98 San Antonio Spurs
'97 / '98 Minnesota Timberwolves


Perhaps someone who's got the same issue can give this a try and see whether I'm barking up the right tree.

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Re: Ultimate Base RosterV5 [51 Extra Retro Teams] + Upd. Ros

Postby jerkyjeck on Wed Feb 15, 2012 5:29 pm

Thanks for the update HAWK. Just a suggestion: it would be nice if you will have a separate download link for the updates only so that we don't have to download the old files that are included in the newest version. Keep up the good work!
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Re: Game Crashes

Postby jsader on Wed Feb 15, 2012 8:25 pm

FishBowlMan wrote:There seems to be 2 separate issues relating to game crashing.

#1 seems to be to do with the courts and will cause a crash as soon as the game mode is entered. I have experienced this crash but have no idea what causes it. A post by andrefaelner a few posts back detailed the retro courts that cause the crash.I don't know how to add a link to a previous post so I'll quote the relevant courts that he's discovered:

andrefaelnar wrote:
chok9 wrote:
jaelove wrote:Tried to start a game with the '97 76ers with the chicago bulls and the game crashed


same thing happened to me. I think there's a problem with the 6ers home court?

that happened to me as well. actually i was testing out all the retro teams of which one is crashing and which team is not crashing

List of Retro Teams That Crash Using UBR V5:
71-72 Bulls
*77-78 Bullets
*92-93 Nets
*96-97 Rockets
*96-97 Bullets
96-97 Sixers
*97-98 Pacers
*00-01 Bucks
*99-00 Pacers
*03-04 Pacers

Legend:
* - It was working in the previous version which is in V4.1



The second crash / freeze happens in-game at what "appears" to be random times. I've narrowed it down and can suggest a quick-fix but am not entirely sure of the reasons for this.

It is either to do with playbooks, or player's "play types".

During a game, if the user or the computer tries to assign a play to a player who has this issue, the game will freeze. For the computer, immediately after a basket (and I assume a rebound) the computer will allocate the next play. If it is for a player not affected, the game procedes as normal. If the player is affected, the game will crash.

Also, if the user manually tries to assign a play to the affected player, the game will similarly crash.

This also applies to the "scrimmage" and "practice - plays" mode, which is how I worked out how to solve the issue.

To test a team, the easiest way to check is to run a scrimmage with a created team. With the ball, try and call a play for the pg, sg, sf, pf & c in turn. If you hit an affected player, the game will freeze. If all 5 players are ok, substitute the next 5 players in the roster and try again. Similarly with the final 2. If there are no crashes, that team is fine and will not crash during the game.


The quick fix for the problem once you've identified the player is to find him in the "Rosters - Edit Player" and scroll down to the "Play Types". If the player has "Pick & Roll" selected, change this to either "P & R Ball Handler" or "P & R Roll Man". For any other plays, I've found that if you scroll round until the same play is selected, this seems to cure the issue.

Make sure you click the "next" button to save the changes you've made.

I've currently found the following players to be an issue, and this method has so far cured the problem.

'97 / '98 Utah Jazz - Brian Russell
'07 / '08 Boston Celtics - Paul Pierce
'92 Dream Team - David Robinson

These teams I've looked at and have not experienced a problem:

'08 / '09 Orlando Magic
'99 / '00 Portland Trailblazers
'08 / '09 Houston Rockets
'97 / '98 San Antonio Spurs
'97 / '98 Minnesota Timberwolves


Perhaps someone who's got the same issue can give this a try and see whether I'm barking up the right tree.

John.


Good stuff man. Thanks a lot.
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Re: Ultimate Base RosterV5 [51 Extra Retro Teams] + Upd. Ros

Postby HAWK23 on Wed Feb 15, 2012 10:24 pm

I have a few different ideas for some of the crashing issues... like someone stated before the teams that crash before entering game mode is probably due to typos or something in the courts or coaches tab... this was probably done during the transfer to the updated roster file...

the teams crashing in game is probably due to running a play with the player... I know how to fix these too... I'm just going to need to review the .ROS file in reditor and edit any typos that may have been caused my copying too much information at once... I'll try to take a look at it tonight... I've just been swamped with work...

P.S. If you guys know which specific players are causing crashes when you try to assign a play with them let me know... the easy fix for this is going to EDIT them and just make sure the first PLAY type doesn't say "none". My guess is players who crash when you try to pick a play for them say the following:

Type 1: None
Type 2: Mid-Range
Type 3: P&R Man


as for the colleges... if everything is one number off it's due to the fact that the newest official2K update must have added a new college or something... if someone can figure out which college was added let me know... because that's probably the reason everyone is one off... they were fine in V4
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Re: Ultimate Base RosterV5 [51 Extra Retro Teams] + Upd. Ros

Postby carmelo on Thu Feb 16, 2012 1:17 am

I installed the new version roster but something happens to current jersey of the sixers (away). Maybe your rookie iverson sixers team jersey overwrite the current jersey of the team. Could you repair this and where can I find now the current sixers jersey away?
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Re: Ultimate Base RosterV5 [51 Extra Retro Teams] + Upd. Ros

Postby igorvillaluz on Thu Feb 16, 2012 2:07 am

how come some players have no shoes..like lebron and kobe
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Re: Ultimate Base RosterV5 [51 Extra Retro Teams] + Upd. Ros

Postby MJALLDAY on Thu Feb 16, 2012 3:08 am

ballsandword wrote:how come some players have no shoes..like lebron and kobe
You're sig's a lie, not even close.
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Re: Ultimate Base RosterV5 [51 Extra Retro Teams] + Upd. Ros

Postby rotchild on Thu Feb 16, 2012 3:33 am

HAWK23 wrote:...crash before entering game mode is probably due to typos or something in the courts or coaches tab...


As you mentioned coaches, I also noticed that some of the teams have no coaches and also no assistant coaches (both "invisible" during the game. Just the backup players sitting on the benches). I noticed that with The '88-'89 Pistons (Chuck Daly) and the 88'-89' Bulls (?) (Doug Collins) (?)
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Re: Ultimate Base RosterV5 [51 Extra Retro Teams] + Upd. Ros

Postby FishBowlMan on Thu Feb 16, 2012 4:03 am

HAWK23 wrote:... the easy fix for this is going to EDIT them and just make sure the first PLAY type doesn't say "none". My guess is players who crash when you try to pick a play for them say the following:

Type 1: None
Type 2: Mid-Range
Type 3: P&R Man


I don't think that's the cause of this. e.g. Dan Majerle in the '92 / '93 Phoenix Suns has:

Type 1: None
Type 2: Mid Range
Type 3: Cutter
Type 4: None

I've just tried this team and it works fine. It would be interesting to know how the computer deals with this in the game. Does it automatically skip to the type 2 play, or will it effectively run "no play" for that set if it wants a Type 1 play.

I'll let you know of any other players that have this problem if I find any.

HAWK23 wrote:as for the colleges... if everything is one number off it's due to the fact that the newest official2K update must have added a new college or something... if someone can figure out which college was added let me know... because that's probably the reason everyone is one off... they were fine in V4

Can't help with this I'm afraid as I don't seem to have a roster update that isn't affected by the official update. I can confirm that the default NBA team's players are correct. The new created players are out by 1, as are the players from the unlocked retro teams e.g. John Stockton (unlocked through legends) is listed as "Golden Bear" instead of "Gonzaga".
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Re: Ultimate Base RosterV5 [51 Extra Retro Teams] + Upd. Ros

Postby igorvillaluz on Thu Feb 16, 2012 4:25 am

MJALLDAY wrote:
ballsandword wrote:how come some players have no shoes..like lebron and kobe
You're sig's a lie, not even close.


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Re: Ultimate Base RosterV5 [51 Extra Retro Teams] + Upd. Ros

Postby Tommyhtc on Thu Feb 16, 2012 5:54 am

ballsandword wrote:
MJALLDAY wrote:
ballsandword wrote:how come some players have no shoes..like lebron and kobe
You're sig's a lie, not even close.


:applaud:

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oh god...
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Re: Ultimate Base RosterV5 [51 Extra Retro Teams] + Upd. Ros

Postby nuhmete on Thu Feb 16, 2012 6:06 am

ballsandword wrote:how come some players have no shoes..like lebron and kobe

You have to have Official NBA 2K12 Roster Update & Online Data
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Re: Ultimate Base RosterV5 [51 Extra Retro Teams] + Upd. Ros

Postby MJALLDAY on Thu Feb 16, 2012 6:14 am

ballsandword wrote:
MJALLDAY wrote:
ballsandword wrote:how come some players have no shoes..like lebron and kobe
You're sig's a lie, not even close.


:applaud:

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Re: Ultimate Base RosterV5 [51 Extra Retro Teams] + Upd. Ros

Postby blkmagnum22 on Thu Feb 16, 2012 6:31 am

without scottie Jordan was 1-9 in the playoffs


who is talkin bout sidekicks?

kobe is the goat :lol:
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