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"The Man" Comments.

Postby Jackal on Wed Feb 25, 2004 10:14 am

Man show: Lacking the technology to measure testosterone, The New York Times surveyed NBA experts to determine who "the Man" is in the NBA. It seems O'Neal and Bryant are both lacking key qualities -- O'Neal, the right mentality, and Bryant, the right team.


Steve Kerr:

"I don't know if Shaq has that killer instinct," Steve Kerr, a former teammate of Michael Jordan, told the Times. "But it's probably a good thing he doesn't, because there would be a lot of dead people lying around the floor."


Shaquille O'Neal:

"You have to know what killer instinct is to comment on it," O'Neal said. "(Kerr) has never had a killer instinct, he's just been a lucky guy on the end of the bandwagon, several times. He doesn't know what killer instinct is."


Now, those aren't very pleasent words Mr. O'Neal, in a way I do agree with him though...

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Postby MC Hao on Wed Feb 25, 2004 1:28 pm

fuck shaq! don't be dissing kerr. :scold:
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Postby kevC on Wed Feb 25, 2004 1:49 pm

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Postby PRoPuLsiOnDJ on Wed Feb 25, 2004 2:59 pm

shaq's right!! :cool:

steve kerr sucks ... he's just been lucky in his career

however, steve does know about killer instinct .... which he saw in MJ... but he doesnt have killer instinct.

When did Steve Kerr average over 7 ppg in his career??
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Postby idiot on Wed Feb 25, 2004 3:02 pm

why can't shaq learn to be more humble and stop his mumblings
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Postby Matthew on Wed Feb 25, 2004 3:10 pm

Lol shaqs right here. Steve Kerr shouldnt be saying this, it would be like vin baker calling me a drunk. If Larry Bird or mj said shaq lacks killer instinct, i'd listen.
Besides, shaq has 3 championships and is the leader oif the lakers.. how can he not have killer instinct?
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Postby Amphatoast on Wed Feb 25, 2004 3:29 pm

Also: Dennis Rodman's representatives announced Monday that the onetime star "is expected to sign with an NBA team this week." They also noted the onetime Laker has been working out with Magic Johnson. However, Lakers officials have no interest in signing him.


I can't wait to see what team this is..

Kerr really shouldn't be saying that, but Shaq was wrong too, 2 wrongs don't make a right! Kerr has been a bit lucky, bu the is a decent role player that seemed to turn it on when they needed it. He helped the Spurs on their title last year and I think back in 92 or 93 he hit a game winning 3ppoint shot to make the bulls win the title. He may not have the 40points but when his points come, he make sure they count and come at times when someone needs to make a shot.
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Postby Stevan on Wed Feb 25, 2004 3:29 pm

If Steve Kerr played for the Lakers, I guess he could compare somewhat, having played with the Assassin in Shorts previously. But shit, it's not as if Stevie doesn't have killer instinct him self, he has hit a few big shots, just hasn't been able to impose him self on any contest ever physically! Stevie has also seen Timmy-D at his best, so to a degree he knows what he's talking about.
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Postby Yessie on Wed Feb 25, 2004 8:48 pm

i dont agee with kerr's first part of the comments, but i do agree with the last part if shaq went all out like hes going to do in the playoffs this year you would see spurs,mavs, and kings pancakes. :lol:
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Postby Matthew on Wed Feb 25, 2004 10:13 pm

So your guaranteeing a lakers championship this season? :twisted:
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Postby Jackal on Thu Feb 26, 2004 12:43 am

NBA_Fan_23 wrote:Lol shaqs right here. Steve Kerr shouldnt be saying this, it would be like vin baker calling me a drunk. If Larry Bird or mj said shaq lacks killer instinct, i'd listen.
Besides, shaq has 3 championships and is the leader oif the lakers.. how can he not have killer instinct?


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Postby sliccat on Thu Feb 26, 2004 3:26 am

Shaq's not right at all. Read the quote again. Steve wasn't saying that he had the 'killer instinct' he was saying that MJ did. The fact that on the Bulls team was the whole point of the discussion. Steve Kerr spent three years with probably the most competitive athlete in recent history.
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Postby EGarrett on Thu Feb 26, 2004 8:00 am

It does take a bit of a mean streak...you have to really want to finish your opponent off and not let them save any face...which not a lot of people can do. I think the best killer instincts in the league right now belong to Iverson, Gary Payton, Kobe and Jason Kidd. But for different reasons... Iverson doesn't care about anything but beating you and getting the glory. Gary Payton is ghetto and an a-hole who loves to prove that he's better than you. Kobe is so arrogant that he'll take the shot or make the bold play to beat you and will think he can make it every time...and that's exactly what makes him a threat to do so. And Kidd...for all his unselfishness on the court...actually has a real temper. Remember those times in Boston when he flipped off the fans and took the three with time running down when the game was already decided?

I think the closest thing to the "man" right now in the NBA is probably Allen Iverson. The pure best player is probably Tim Duncan. But Duncan will never be more than that. He has no charisma, no leadership qualities, and he inspires no one.

In a year or two it'll be Lebron James...especially if something happens to piss him off. He'll be the greatest fast-break threat that the game has ever seen. He'll also make his teammates better which is invaluable.
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Postby air gordon on Thu Feb 26, 2004 8:29 am

The pure best player is probably Tim Duncan. But Duncan will never be more than that. He has no charisma, no leadership qualities, and he inspires no one.

other then the charisma thing, i disagree whole heartedly here. don't get me wrong- i'm not duncan's agent or anything like that but...
duncan is a two time nba champion yet he never will be more then the best pure player? sounds more like garnett or karl malone in his prime

no leadership qualities and doesn't inspire anyone? so what if he doesn't talk a lot shit, isn't arrogant, doesn't have a temper, etc... duncan lead the rebuilding spurs to the championship. marbs, shaq, dirk, kidd, and certainly kmart would agree.

forget it. duncan isn't a marketable so he's a chump. :roll:
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Postby fgrep15 on Thu Feb 26, 2004 8:45 am

I hate when people think that if a player doesn't wear their emotions on their faces, or scream after good plays etc they have no heart.

I'm a person that doesn't wear my emotions on my face when playing, I'm always optimistic, even if we're losing but it doesn't mean I'm content with losing.

I mean throwing around chairs, blatantly screaming, trash talking, getting angry, arguing with refs when you know it never gain anything etc doesn't show you have heart, it just shows you either like expressing your feelings a lot or you just have no self control.
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Postby Andrew on Thu Feb 26, 2004 3:21 pm

It's a typical Shaq response. When Dennis Rodman commented that Shaq doesn't get as many rebounds as he should, the Diesel responded with "Me responding to Rodman is like talking to a Bugs Bunny doll. I don't talk to Looney Tunes". While that's a nice comeback, Rodman's assessment wasn't without merit.

Sure, the Worm's personality is...somewhat unique. But he knows a thing or two about grabbing a lot of rebounds. While Shaq's rebounding numbers are definitely not unimpressive, it's worth noting that despite his size, strength, talent and knowledge of the game, he doesn't have Rodman-like averages (a career high of 18.7 rpg in 1991/1992).

I do think that Shaq went a little overboard with his comments though. Steve Kerr wasn't a superstar, but he wasn't a bad player, and he did contribute to the second Bulls Threepeat (including the most important shot of the 1997 season). And in a way, he was lucky to be part of such a great team. But if he had nothing to contribute, he wouldn't have been in the regular rotation, he wouldn't have been on the playoff roster, and he might not even be on the team.

I disagree that Kerr cannot comment on killer instinct becomes it's something he may not personally have. As Stevan observed, he played alongside Michael Jordan, so he's familiar with the notion of a killer instinct in an athlete. A big part of that is a competitive nature, and to me it seems Shaq doesn't always seem to have that. He seems to get bored halfway through the season, and he dismisses criticisms of his game by mocking whoever made the comments, suggesting he's content with his game.

Compare that to other players who always tried to maintain a standard of excellence, to lift their game and consistently managed to top their performances. I'm referring not only to MJ, but to all the great players, like Bird, Magic, Isiah, Hakeem and many more through the 56 years the NBA has been in existence. I don't think Shaq has the same kind of killer instinct that those players possessed.

But, I also disagree with Kerr. We've seen Shaq turn it up before, completely dominate his opponents. We've seen him battle his way through the NBA season to help his team be the best in the league. But he seems to lose that focus and determination at times. So I don't think Kerr is completely accurate in his assessment, but I kind of agree that Shaq doesn't have the same drive that other great players have shown.

So I think they're underestimating each other. Kerr doesn't see the same killer instinct he witnessed as a teammate of Michael Jordan, but to suggest Shaq doesn't have the will to dominate (most of the time) is to underestimate his determination and mental toughness. At the same time, for Shaq to completely dismiss Kerr's comments is to underestimate Kerr's knowledge of the game, what he has learned in over a decade in the NBA and the observations that he has made.
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Postby Matthew on Thu Feb 26, 2004 7:48 pm

Good post andrew, but i think shaq meant that becuase kerr said that he has no "determination to be the man" shaq looked at that and felt he had no right to say it. its completely wrong, which you pointed out. It would be like if i said kwame brown or Darko were the best draft picks ever, you'd probably think i had no knowledge of the game just by reading those statements...
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Postby EGarrett on Thu Feb 26, 2004 11:09 pm

crawford4MIP4real wrote:forget it. duncan isn't a marketable so he's a chump. :roll:


As far as being "the man" goes...yes.

It doesn't matter how many championships he's won. That can determine that you're the best player. But the Lakers have won 3 out of the last 4 championships and Shaq and Kobe were both discounted.
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Postby Little_Big_Man on Mon Mar 08, 2004 2:26 pm

Well here's my 2cents.....
I think Jordan had the best Killer Instinct in basketball. Kobe Bryant, with all the Jordan comparisons throughout his career, is the closest to being Jordanesque. Kobe has the Killer Instinct and has clearly proven that time and time again. He even has a higher scoring average in the 4th quarter than the 1st three quarters. Of course he misses shots but Jordan did too. GP is a great player as is Shaq but they both lack. Shaq is not going to win you a game in the 4th because of his freethrow weakness. Also when Shaq is playing great on offense he'll try to give effort on defense. He should give more effort on defense. As time progresses people are not as afraid of Shaq Daddy as they were before. His reaction time is slower so he is more prone to foul than to intimidate or block a shot. As Rodman said he should be able to grab more rebounds. Duncan is great also but he misses key freethrows as well late in the game. Iverson misses too many shots but does have a great deal of heart. But that great deal of heart doesn't mean he has Killer Instinct. Kobe has the best instincts in the game today and knows how to finish off people.
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Postby Mark. on Mon Mar 08, 2004 6:10 pm

I agree with little Big man, Kobe has the best killer instinct in the game today.
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Postby Matthew on Mon Mar 08, 2004 7:07 pm

Larry bird and jerry west had great killer instincts as well. We'll see how great kobes desire is if he can actually carry a team without shaq. shaq to me, he is the man becuase he is the guy the opposing teams set out to stop, not kobe. plus shaq, 3 finals mvps, kobe 0. without shaq, kobe would get the bulk of defensive pressure from the opposing team.
Can Kobe as being the man on his own team? maybe... but not as succesfull as shaq has been in la.
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Postby Jackal on Tue Mar 09, 2004 2:15 am

NBA_Fan_23 wrote:Larry bird and jerry west had great killer instincts as well. We'll see how great kobes desire is if he can actually carry a team without shaq. shaq to me, he is the man becuase he is the guy the opposing teams set out to stop, not kobe. plus shaq, 3 finals mvps, kobe 0. without shaq, kobe would get the bulk of defensive pressure from the opposing team.
Can Kobe as being the man on his own team? maybe... but not as succesfull as shaq has been in la.


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Postby BiBi on Tue Mar 09, 2004 4:18 am

damn that's some funny stuff but Shaq should show some respects for Steve :x
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