[UPDATE 11/13] Meh & Ryans Total PC Roster v2.2

[radzadam]

So you are going to release 2 versions of this roster, yep? 1version-injury free 2version-current rotation[include injuries] ??

[tylerd]

you can edit that yourself bro...

i cant, because player signature dunks are changed and their dunk attributes are too low for EVERYONE. someone didnt like lebron for eg. (or ariza or tony allen or someone like that) doing some crazy dunks from time to time (wich happens in real life) so they edited them to dunk "realistic" dunks all the time. i think it was tested in practice mode or something, wich is very different setting from the game (the practice!? not the game )
what player can do with 99 dunk rating in practice, he cant do it all the time in the game, but sometimes players DO some crazy dunks you didint think they were capable of. it makes the game exciting. (stuff like having your team on fire [by defending well and being on a run] and hence having some player of yours hot, making fastbreak and him doing some nasty dunk dont happen any more. player hot and doing good dribble move and dunking hard dont happen any more. thats real?)

EDIT: now i see dragonsrule wrote those are set by "scale". i think the scale is not good for the reason stated above. (dunk/vertical rating is for players dunk skill, i think its better to edit sliders for dunk attributes to fix "too many dunks" issue)

thats why no player has "wings icon" under them (high flyer icon). also 3 ptrs are lowered for most of the player a bit too much (3pt rating works with 3pt tendencie rating to give overall skill, for eg. streaky shooter (allen, peja), someone who can hit few threes but dont push him to do it all game (radmanovic, vujacic). thats why there is no "3" icon under player that should have it.
we should use overall shooting sucess settings to fix fg%, not attributes. entire game is messed there, not players ratings [ok 3pt are a bit too much for some, yes, but not like allen and peja should be 87, thats like they always have around 40% 3pt shooting, and we all know they have games when they have it around 50%]

i think what needs to be done really is use updated roster by 2k insider from ps3/xbox and make it exactly the same for pc. then maybe do some SLIGHT edits with the help of rashidi's ratings (most notably player tendencies, because he uses very good data of 82games.com. he also do it for all players, not just mots notable breakthroughs/falloffs. thing is that average career tendencies should be used, so team player plays for have effect. for eg. shawn marion is playing different and have different tendencies because of the team and their tendencies. its hard to nail all that down i guess, theres a lot of work, but...) and the real player signature dunks/shoot/ft shouldnt be changed (wheres the logic behind that)

coach tendencies could be set with help of 82games.com stats (pace, shooting tendencies) and not nogsters likings of how the game should play (settle for jumpers all the time). i think that kind of attribute/tendency changes should be left for individual player to set. [as for defensive pressure setting: setting it too much will leave space for backdoor passes because players are too close to their opponent, hence not defending the passing lane too much, thats why theyre not like 90 by default. so for boston celtics for eg. 90 help d is okay because they help a lot, but they dont pressure players at all, they mostly play passing lanes and pressure only when they see there is going to be a shot or drive]

there should definitelly be roster wihout injuries for players playing association. also nothing wrong with cpu free agent signings, its just some players in FA pool should be edited (like older players ratings/durability/stamina/character type for eg. i had to set sam casell to "laid back" and also drop some of his attribs [they're too high anyway] so hes cool with playing just a few minutes per game like in real life)

[becu]

you can edit that yourself bro...

i cant, because player signature dunks are changed and their dunk attributes are too low for EVERYONE. someone didnt like lebron for eg. (or ariza or tony allen or someone like that) doing some crazy dunks from time to time (wich happens in real life) so they edited them to dunk "realistic" dunks all the time. i think it was tested in practice mode or something, wich is very different setting from the game (the practice!? not the game )
what player can do with 99 dunk rating in practice, he cant do it all the time in the game, but sometimes players DO some crazy dunks you didint think they were capable of. it makes the game exciting. (stuff like having your team on fire [by defending well and being on a run] and hence having some player of yours hot, making fastbreak and him doing some nasty dunk dont happen any more. player hot and doing good dribble move and dunking hard dont happen any more. thats real?)

EDIT: now i see dragonsrule wrote those are set by "scale". i think the scale is not good for the reason stated above. (dunk/vertical rating is for players dunk skill, i think its better to edit sliders for dunk attributes to fix "too many dunks" issue)

Listen, DCAllAmerican explained us how the dunks working in 2k9:

1. Standing dunks:
50 - Can't do it
75 - Can do it; won't really do it in traffic
99 - Basically can do it at will no matter the traffic volume

2. Alley Oops
I like the oop system this year. For one, they are realistic. Thanks 2K. Secondly, ANYONE that can dunk can catch an oop. Simple

3. Dunk Ratings:
If you player has BELOW a 60, he will not dunk. A 60 will enable a player to dunk. So because of fluctuation in ratings, I suggest putting the lower rated players at 65 so they won't be able to dunk one year and won't be able to dunk the following year. The 5 pts serves as a cushion.

Of course the higher your rating, the more flashy your dunks are from that package. High ratings will be reserved for the flashy IN-GAME dunkers. Someone like Nate Robinson will NOT have a high dunk rating because he practically only dunks when he is on the court alone.

[tylerd]

maybe dunk ratings are set a bit too low. lebron have 80 for eg. and he can "pretty much dunk at will". i mean sometimes some players do dunk with 3 people around them and stuff like that. i just dont like that never happening with those ratings and some guys never doing some flashy dunks with they suppose to be able to. for eg. tony allen is someting like 70, i think with this scale he should have at least 80 (so SOMETIMES he can dunk in traffic... same goes for other playes)
im just saying that from trying to make less "dunks at will" with these attribs, you made it "only easy and clean dunks allowed and by no means flashy dunks ever"
(i just like to get stunned by the dunk from time to time)

[radzadam]

All that thins depend on sliders. Well, i play with tjnigs 14 sliders created for Hall of Fame and 12 min / qrt, but i play it on 10 min/qtr and it's fantastic. Everything's realistic-stats, number of dunks per game, etc. but i didn't do an alley oop during the game. Btw. can someone tell me which slider adequate for alley-oops ?? Because even Kobe or Gasol can't catch the ball in the air, that's only problem in those sliders.

[lol]

hope it will be compatible with xiaoju's shoe patch. thanks in advance

[radzadam]

So when are u guyz going to release the new version of your roster ? Will it be a final version ?

[dragonsrule]

Doing a lot of work on it now, should be out tonight. Two versions will be out, an injury free version, current rotations and later down the line an experimental ratings system with shooting ratings down to try and lower shooting percentages.

I've raised the dunk rating of Tony Allen and Trevor Ariza to the max of the dunking scale. I have seen plenty of 360 dunks, windmills, reverse dunks with this scale. So keep in mind that these dunks still happen. Just not on every fast break and in traffic all the time like on default.

[radzadam]

so dunk ratings in 1.53 v. were good. Just look at Rudy Fernandez and Derrick Rose dunk ratings and decide to improve their dunking or not. And what about Mbah a Moute and Anthony Morrow?? In my opinion they should have higher RTG.

[dragonsrule]

Anthony Morrow has been raised already, I think Mbah a Moute was a 75 at last check. I am going to raise his rebounding and mid range shot in the upcoming update.

[radzadam]

ok, thank you and with your roster , what do you think number would be the best for dunking ability and 3 point success [in game sliders] ? and i think Rondo's RTG should be higher, just look at his stats. Few triple-double in this season yet, steals, assist, points and even rebounds. and it's weird in your roster that when i'm playing against suns Shaq has 100 % FT. [Ben Wallace-the same problem]. I think Stephen Jackson pass rating should be higher too. Nene is almost unmistakeable inside [inside scoring rating - A ??] . IMO Dwayne Wade's Block Rating should be about 90. If all those things are done yet -

[dragonsrule]

Here are the two rosters. With the no injuries roster, I'm just guessing what their line-ups would be injury free so don't take the rotations too seriously.

Current roster
http://www.megaupload.com/?d=AKDY7J2I

No injuries roster
http://www.megaupload.com/?d=SACD2MNZ

[dragonsrule]

ok, thank you and with your roster , what do you think number would be the best for dunking ability and 3 point success [in game sliders] ? and i think Rondo's RTG should be higher, just look at his stats. Few triple-double in this season yet, steals, assist, points and even rebounds. and it's weird in your roster that when i'm playing against suns Shaq has 100 % FT. [Ben Wallace-the same problem]. I think Stephen Jackson pass rating should be higher too. Nene is almost unmistakeable inside [inside scoring rating - A ??] . IMO Dwayne Wade's Block Rating should be about 90. If all those things are done yet -

Rondo has a high rebound and pass rating, he is capable of getting a triple double with is current ratings.
Shaq and Wallace's FT rating is as low as it can go, I can't do anymore than that. Try turning real FT% on in the options menu.
Captain Jack gets the right amount of assists when I sim so I think I'll leave it there for now.
With Nene, he has been playing great this season so I think he deserves his inside rating. It's an 84 btw.
Dwayne Wade has been getting near the right amount of blocks with this rating. I will raise it to 80 for the next update to get it closer to his real life stats.

[radzadam]

ok man, you're great and what will be changed in next update ??

[yosifun]

What about making this roster works with the xiaoju's shoe patch?

I have played with the roster he has given with his patch and I think that your roster more realistic.

[dragonsrule]

Can't you just install the shoe patch and load my roster?

[gio23]

Can't you just install the shoe patch and load my roster?

nope

[yosifun]

Oh.. one more thing.. is the colors for teams' accessories can be changed through the roster file or does it require an iff edit of some file/s?

[M3r$uRy]

It sounds really good bros keep up the good work I dunno if anyone else has posted this but can you explain the installation progress of the rosters in windows vista I really didn't understand the istructions on the 1st post.Excuse my noobness but I was playing NBA Live till yesterday and I know nothing about 2k9 modding plz help me Post it in this thread or send the instructions via pm.Either way is ok for me

[radzadam]

the option 'show hidden folders ....' must be on and paste roster file into C:\Documents and Settings\[your name]\Application Data\2K Sports\NBA 2K9\Saves

[radzadam]

drangonsrule -->don't you think that Kobe' Rebound Rating D+ is unrealistic. Man, when i'm playing LAL[i'm always playing LAL ] he averages 2-3 rebound per game . Look at his real stats and compare it so what rebound ratings would be the best for KB ? why kobe' rebound rating is D+ and LBJ' B- ? I think there is a little difference beetween their numbers of rebounds. Wade' and Vince Carter' rebound ratings are IMO too low. Ariza' too.

[cyclone]

Can someone please update the file in filefront or Sendspace. Thank you in advance

[Shabron]

i want to install this roster, but i have a problem. I have created a player, and i was wondering if the player would get deleted if i install this roster. Thanks.

[dragonsrule]

@radzadam - The reason Kobe's rebound rating is low is so that Gasol and Bynum get a realistic amount of rebounds. On default, Bynum was only getting 6 rpg and Gasol was just over 7 rpg. With Kobe's rebound rating lower, Gasol and Bynum were getting 8 and over for me.

@Shabron - Yes he will be gone if you use my roster, you don't have to overwrite your roster if you want to keep him though. Just create him again.

[radzadam]

don't you think that Odom should have better Perimeter Defense ?? He's definitely [with Kobe and Ariza] the best defender in Lakers. And i think Fisher' Perimeter Defense should be lower and his 3 point percentage should be higher. And what about Vince Carter, i think he should have 70 Blocking, and rebounding - B . T-MAC - the same situation as Vincanity. Kobe- IMO he's better blocker that in your roster.