Topic Related to Will You Buy Live 09 Post & 2k9

[Officer Clancy]

I have always been turned off by 2k games because I thought the controller setup was bullsh#t.

What do you all think about the 2k controller vs the way the Live controller is setup? Do you think the 2k controller is too complicated for its own good? Do those that have 2k take advantage of all the moves and options available on the 2K?

I always thought the Live controller, at least the PC version, has been just the right level of complexity for the job that needs to be done. I think the PS3 controller for Live 08 may be getting a bit closer to the overkill of the 2k game.

[ThaLiveKing]

They both have their advantages IMO. I don't mind the dribble stick with Live, I think it's smarter. . .The only thing about 2k, is that sometimes you don't know what moves your gonna pull off sometimes. That's why when I play 2k I just use the basic controls. I don't even know how to use the post moves in 2k, I know a few, but I don't pull them all off cause I might turn the ball over

[FiZzO]

2k8 controls are kinda weird - dribble moves w/ the movement stick. And the moves are hard to pull off. It took me over a month to master all the crossovers spins, etc. Post controls with both triggers and the RS are complicated too but once you learn all the post shots and fakes you can score a lot of points down low. And you can use the RT and the shot stick to perform different types of dunks. Other than that the shot stick is quite useless I like that you can choose whether to dunk or lay-up and the off-ball control in 2k8. So 2k controls are hard to learn but once you've got how to use them they're very effective. Live's dribble stick is much simpler but it's quite ineffective. Post moves and shots are easy to do and they seem to be too effective.
So 2k8 controls are let's say... deeper and require more practice but Live's are simpler and more arcadish. But i kinda like them both they each work together with their game's gameplay.

[Cool2Fool]

2k has a learning curve. u only become good once u u practice it alot

[xKrNMBoYx]

2k8 controls are kinda weird - dribble moves w/ the movement stick. And the moves are hard to pull off. It took me over a month to master all the crossovers spins, etc. Post controls with both triggers and the RS are complicated too but once you learn all the post shots and fakes you can score a lot of points down low. And you can use the RT and the shot stick to perform different types of dunks. Other than that the shot stick is quite useless I like that you can choose whether to dunk or lay-up and the off-ball control in 2k8. So 2k controls are hard to learn but once you've got how to use them they're very effective. Live's dribble stick is much simpler but it's quite ineffective. Post moves and shots are easy to do and they seem to be too effective.
So 2k8 controls are let's say... deeper and require more practice but Live's are simpler and more arcadish. But i kinda like them both they each work together with their game's gameplay.

lol..once u get use to it it feels more better..by the way..i hated that the dribble was also the moving stick, but you can change the preferences..or there is a different setting in controll and u can have the right stick be the dribble instead..

[Patr1ck]

I like it that special moves are performed with the movement stick. It's more realistic because dribbling is associated with moving. You can perform basic ballhandling with the movement stick, and then add the aggressive modifier to try and break down your defender.

The post moves are not that complicated and add alot of variety, but they are limited to just that, and there is no branching between them. Once you perform a move, that's it. The only one that allows you to do anything different is the up and under pumpfake which can be turned into an up and under jumpshot, or up and under layup, or fadeaway, etc. The worst thing about the post moves is the players look like they are travelling once you go into a layup or dunk animation because they take a step or two after you have already picked up your dribble. The best thing about the post are the finesse and power moves.

The shot sick only has it's advantages closer to the basket. With the aggressive modifier you can attempt different types of dunks, and without it you can direct how you want to lay the ball up(avoid defender/go into defender/to there left or right). Other then that, the shot stick just performs jumpshots no matter which direction you push it.

I like the fact that you can be surprised by the animation that happens. I sucked at isomotion and post moves until I went into practice mode and tried them all out. Yeah, setting up a player on the post and switching to another player to post him up so I could practice the post moves was damn awesome.

Live is alot more streamlined, and I think the control complexity of 2k may have hurt it against some of the younger gamers.

[Andrew]

One of the main reasons I haven't made the jump to 2K is Isomotion. I realise it's a learning curve but I still find it awkward. At the end of the day, I prefer the Freestyle/Quick Strike approach so I'm more interested in NBA Live improving than 2K as an alternative. That said, I can see why people do like 2K and that's cool, it's just not the game for me.

[benji]

I like it that special moves are performed with the movement stick. It's more realistic because dribbling is associated with moving. You can perform basic ballhandling with the movement stick, and then add the aggressive modifier to try and break down your defender.

And most importantly, you can shoot directly out of the moves. Something that is impossible with freestyle control unless you have two right hands.

The post trigger has always been better than Live's silly attempts to put it on the right analog.

[Officer Clancy]

The problem is that EA seems to change their controller settings regularly; so you have to learn a new setup every year or so. This is no different than learning the controller of a completely different game- i.e., 2k.

I also agree that the Live dribble stick is weak. It is so difficult to break someone down off the dribble- I know it should not be a Harlem Globetrotter free-for-all- but, I would like to break players down w/the same frequency as the CPU. And the low post moves of Live are also subpar- there is little or no ability for creativity.

With all that said, I think will wait to hear what you all think RE 2k vs Live, and then determine if I want to learn another controller.

[Andrew]

The problem is that EA seems to change their controller settings regularly; so you have to learn a new setup every year or so. This is no different than learning the controller of a completely different game- i.e., 2k.

I disagree. A couple of face buttons have changed from year to year but aside from that the main control methods - player movement, dribbling controls and turbo/sprint - have remained unchanged. The changes in each game aren't that drastic in my opinion, with the possible exception of the seperate dunk and layup button experiment.

[Officer Clancy]

The problem is that EA seems to change their controller settings regularly; so you have to learn a new setup every year or so. This is no different than learning the controller of a completely different game- i.e., 2k.

I disagree. A couple of face buttons have changed from year to year but aside from that the main control methods - player movement, dribbling controls and turbo/sprint - have remained unchanged. The changes in each game aren't that drastic in my opinion, with the possible exception of the seperate dunk and layup button experiment.

Maybe the difference & problem is attributable to going back and forth between PC and PS3; but, all I know is I am all thumbs when I play 08 vs 07.

[Jano23]

Since you guys are talking about 2K's controls, here are some guides that were posted at Operationsports.com

Post Game Tutorial:

http://2ksports.com/forums/showthread.php?t=147145

Isomotion Move list:

http://www.operationsports.com/forums/n ... ya-go.html

Basket Relativity Tutorial:

http://www.operationsports.com/forums/n ... ya-go.html

Its a lot of reading but they can really help you learn 2K's control scheme. Especially the Basket relative and Post game tutorials.

Even if you don't plan on playing the game you should just give them a read to see how complex 2K's system really is.

[joejam999]

Why don't they just make it like the PC where you can choose all the buttons? That is what I have never got.

[Andrew]

Why don't they just make it like the PC where you can choose all the buttons? That is what I have never got.

Perhaps they feel it would become too difficult to support if they allowed all kinds of custom controller configurations. This way, tutorials and movelists can be posted which everyone can follow. Having to account for everyone's controller preferences would make things even more complicated.

[ericem]

2k's controls is really not that complicated. and if you're a newbie in 2k bball games, you can check out tutorials on youtube for isomotion and post up moves. its a great game!

[Andrew]

I still prefer the Freestyle/Quick Strike approach myself but to each their own.

[Darko_Milicic]

NBA Live is an arcady game . It is fun also, but if you are looking for a simulation game, then it's 2K all day.

[Beatboxer]

Looks like it's really coming to pc.
Look at this:
http://www.esrb.org/ratings/search.jsp
http://img67.imageshack.us/my.php?image=2k9pcwd7.jpg

[xKrNMBoYx]

Okay, so there is a 99% probability that I am gonna just get 2K this year, sorry guys. The only reason I loved Live was the graphics, which I got tired of after a while. While 2k has improved the graphics of the face models a lot this year. The game courts arnt 100% done yet but I can expect that it will be good as usual. There are also a good hint that there will be a nice Game Presentation, Intro like things, like warmup this year.

Almost 90 NBA 2k9 screens were leaked..
http://www.operationsports.com/forums/n ... ult-7.html

http://s277.photobucket.com/albums/kk79 ... reenshots/

http://s508.photobucket.com/albums/s327 ... K9%20Pics/

THese links all show the same screenshots, but if u want to view them

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btw is there any screens of rookies of NBA Live yet?

[Clue?]

Is it just me or does Jamario Moon look a little too white?
http://s508.photobucket.com/albums/s327 ... 1969_2.jpg

[rdelizo35]

Is it just me or does Jamario Moon look a little too white?
http://s508.photobucket.com/albums/s327 ... 1969_2.jpg

Clue?,

You're right, Jamario's skin tone is too light in that screenshot.

[xKrNMBoYx]

I agree..jamario moon isnt dark black, or white..but they made it to light..maybe they should tone it down..i hope they do

[Andrew]

NBA Live is an arcady game . It is fun also, but if you are looking for a simulation game, then it's 2K all day.

This is the common claim yet I've had satisfactory simulation orientated experiences with NBA Live and arcadeish experiences with NBA 2K. I'm guessing 2K also requires some tweaking of the sliders, unless the CPU shooting 80% is considered realistic these days. The way people rave about 2K, I expected so much more of it, which is one of the reasons it's not a viable alternative for me. If I find the latest NBA Live disappointing, I'll simply play an older game in the series, one that I feel will deliver the experience I want.

Looks like it's really coming to pc.

Take-Two claim otherwise, I don't see why they'd forego promoting a PC version when their competition has announced they won't be releasing their game on the platform leaving them an audience to win. I'd believe the developers over a website that's more than likely overlooked an error.

[xKrNMBoYx]

really i think the simulation isnt that bad with live..only problem i would have would be having like 4 people on a team having over 40 points..but that doesnt happen much in 2008.

i think the reason is once u like one game its hard to turn...after playing 2k live became way easy for me..well the controls felt to easy..stealing was really easy making shots..but again it was hard cause i forgot how to play..i dont know what is what..really i would buy both games if i had the money..but i will have to stick with live's demo this year..i like it when games improve from last year..espcially graphics..we'll see what I get..but i'll have to stick to the demo for the one i dont get

btw

will there be a limit of how many games I can play on the live 09 demo?

[Andrew]

No, you can play as many half games as you'd like so far as I know.