I need help boys

[JaoSming]

Hola,


So, as many have or have not noticed, I have basically done jack shit for patching since the initial release of Live 08 on PC. Yea I released some crap for 2k9, but that doesn't really count. For the last year and a half, I have been thinking up of all these damn good ideas, all of which I can do myself, but never follow through with any of them due to issues I have with that game.

A small list includes

Fully decked out Street mod
All Pro Football esk mod (this one actually got a thread!)
Combining D-league, Euroleague, National, NBA, NCAA, ABA teams into one roster.
Exporting NCAA seniors to NBA dynasty drafts. (one roster to another)
Just updating 04, 05, 06 (PC mod), 07, 08
Men's League (all generic shitty players) Mod
and "Story" mods, using custom Season saves similar to my Midnight Ballers mod that was a part of Street 07.

I can edit player models in 2005+ (thanks to Pdub), I can make multiple courts in 1 "environment" (a la Street: Homecourt), I can have player specific home/away jerseys, I can make outfits unlockable with those unused NBA Task Points, I can basically do whatever the hell I want with these games.

Yet I don't.

I come up with little freakin nags for each game that ruins it for me.

04 doesnt have a 30 team dynasty and really overactive player force fields.
05 is good, I could do a lot with it. Especially with it allowing me to use 04-06 or March Madness animations. But it is almost too outdated for me to deal with.
06 was the choice for the PC mod for a reason, but the FSS really holds me back from going nuts on it.
07 pisses me off but I love the X-factor aspect.
08 is the best overall, especially with player specific moves and stadium specific sounds. But it has that amazing lack of transition CPU Defense and sim engine.

2k9, well, I cant edit the shapes of stadiums, so, no fun for me there with patching.

Time is also an issue, I work the 40 hours a week, and I spend a lot of time with my fiance. When I do get video game time, I usually disappear to my basement and play Rockband or Halo.


What I worry about is that I have immaturely moved on from patching. Yet when I have free-time at work (which is also pretty minimum) I usually sketch out court ideas and rosters/league ideas. Yet they obviously go nowhere.

So, what do you guys think? Should I make an attempt at 2005? Should I finally accept 08 into my life as god? Should I STFU and play some RB/Halo? Should I play 09 on the 360 and get excited for 10 when we get info in the coming weeks and just wait it out?

I just feel shitty since I know so much about these games but have absolutely no interest in creating mods or even a tutorial right now.

So help senors

[Oznogrd]

The only reason to patch is if you enjoy it. I'd say start one and see if you get back into it...if not bail and maybe...spread the knowledge? give the tools to someone here who has the time. I always liked your patches but you gotta do what's fun/right for you: regardless of your knowledge or expertise in a particular area. Im pretty damn good at writing analytical papers of literary works: but i hate doing it so i dont. Whatever you do dude: life's about enjoyment. Good luck on the decision

[Modifly]

Pretty much what DrGonzo has already said, there's no point making a patch if you dont enjoy it, the result wont be as good anyway. I say you try working on a soft but interesting patch first, then if it feels right for you then start another. If not then it's best for you to share your knowledge - write a tutorial for things we dont know how to do yet but you do.

My personal choice for you would be to "finally accept 08 into my life as god". I'd love to see you continue where ignatus left off with all those hidden GTMs. I've tried and failed, obviously. Those hidden GTMs are actually the best one in the game, if you can make something out of it then Live 08 would be a whole new game. ignatus also managed to give every player a "signature fadeaway, signature leaner, signature shoot-to-the-right and left" but never released it. . I have no idea how he did that and too bad he cant be contact. If you are willing to continue this research then you've gotta let me and Kris know though.

[Andrew]

I guess it depends what happens with '10 but if you want to try and get back into patching a bit I'd suggest either 06 (NBA Live PC) or 08 (TUP 09), since those are the ones with the big modding projects that seem to be garnering the most enthusiasm; supply and demand, and all that. And perhaps some miscellaneous patches for other games if you have an idea for a small update here and there. In fact, bits and pieces here and there for whatever takes your fancy when you've got the time might be a good way to get back into things and rekindle your passion for patching. In that respect I'll have to co-sign with Gonzo and Modifly, patching's not a lot of fun when you don't feel like tinkering.

[Patr1ck]

ignatus also managed to give every player a "signature fadeaway, signature leaner, signature shoot-to-the-right and left" but never released it. . I have no idea how he did that and too bad he cant be contact.

I hate to tease, but I know how to do that. It's all about the fadeaway/jumpleft/jumpright part in one o fthe shot----.act files in the aiact and assigning a sigshot number to it to give it to a specific player.

Jon, I am getting less interested in NBA 2K9. Hit me up. Live's are still installed.

[Modifly]

Pdub, if that's the case, then why dont we make this happen? I'm sure this will draw an awful lot of attention and will be really entertaining to patch. Do you also know how to enable all those hidden GTMs? Funny thing is, I'm also getting less interetesd in 2K9 since it's not really patching friendly. I've seriously thought about patching it before but the lack of "proper" tools that are convenient like Live's just demotivated me.

[Patr1ck]

I just have zero desire to play last-gen Live, let alone patch the 08 version. I told you how to do it, so if anyone who plays it and patches and is also interested, then spread the word on how to assign sigleaners to players.

[Modifly]

I understand, I have zero desire to play it too, but I still have the desire to patch it. I still dont understand exactly how to do it though, I'm starting to get a picture of what you're talking about but some of the things are still unclear. Maybe you can guide me through it in higher details? PM me or just write it here, it doesn't matter how you do it. As soon as I get the hang of it I'll start working right away, I'm free today.

[Angelo]

if your planning to do some stuffs on editing the .act files i can help you with assigning those sig fadeaways and etc..the only thing that i am concern of is that i dont know on how to edit the .act files anymore but if theres "someone" out there that is willing to teach me then it will really be a big help..

[JaoSming]

check my tutorials in the 08 section of the tutorials, um, section

[Patr1ck]

Shotconditions.act

shtsigallen - Name can be customized as long as it matches the one in shottype.act file
0
100
NA
A
-
NA
NA
NA
-
-
N
0
0
0
360
NONE
-
NA
NA
-
x
2 - SIGSHT1 in Players.dbf file
NA
NA
N
N
NA
NA
NA
NA
NA
N
100

Shottype.act

shtsigallen - Name can be customized and must match entry in shotconditions.act
SHTSIGALLENHOLD - Preshot animation possibility for goto move creation. Change it to a pro hop or drop step and the player will perform that move before going up with the shot.
SHTSIGALLENHOLD - The jumpshot animations
SHTJERJMPERFAKE - Shot fake animation
NOTHING - Early release animation 1
NOTHING - Early release animation 2
HIGHARC - Shot arc can be "REGULAR", "HIGHARC", "HIGHARC/BANK" or" BANK" These come after every set of release animations
SHTSIGALLENREG - Good release animation 1
SHTSIGALLENREG2 - Good release animation 2
REGULAR
NOTHING - Late release animation 1
NOTHING - Late release animation 2
HIGHARC
FOCUSTURN - This faces the player to the basket. It can be changed to NONE, MOVEBACK, BACKTOBASKET_MOVEBACKWARD, MOVEFORWARD, FASTFOCUSTURN, MOVEMYNET(behindbackboardshots), MOVE.
-15
-20
DEFAULT
default - This is where you can change the way it is performed as a sigshot. You can change it to "rightjumper" so the sigshot can be performed when pressing to the right and shooting, etc.
x
set - May have to be changed to "moving" for left or right jumpers, not sure.
1
24

That's the basics you need to know. Changing the branched animations to create an all new shot is up to you. There should be some info about the other information I didn't explain somewhere.

[Modifly]

So it's just changing that "default" value to "rightjumper" and "set" to "moving" and this animation will be Ray Allen's signature right jumper. Damn, never expect it to be that easy. Thanks Pdub, I'll try this and get to work right away. Big props to ya.

Another thing, if I give a signature fadeaway, leaner, etc to a player, the SIGSHT1 value must all be the same for normal sigshot, jumpright, fadeaway, etc right? So this means this player can have a signature leaner, fadeaway, right and left jumper and a normal sigshot at the same time? And all the names must be the same, shtsigallen in this case for all the animations assigned to this player right?


EDIT: OK, I've tried what you wrote. I gave Alston a signature leaner but when I press up and shoot Alston is still using the default leaner. The new animation for signature leaner that I gave Alston turns out to be his second sigshot and the game randoms between the two. This is what the animation line looks like:

Shottype:

shtsigalstonleaner
SHTJERJMPER
GTMWADESTEPBACKRUNFWDHOLD
SHTJERJMPERFAKE
NOTHING
NOTHING
HIGHARC
SHT3PNTGENAREG
GTMCBOSHSBRFREG2 < I made Alston hold his hand up after the shot so that I can identify whether the animation works or not.
REGULAR
NOTHING
NOTHING
HIGHARC
MOVEBACK
-48
-8
DEFAULT
leanerfar
x
moving
1
24


Shotconditions:

shtsigalstonleaner
8
100
NA
A
-
NA
NA
NA
-
-
N
0
0
0
360
NONE
-
NA
NA
-
x
800
NA
NA
N
N
NA
NA
NA
NA
NA
N
100

[Patr1ck]

-48 and -8...that is the angle from the basket that the animation can be performed.
8 and 100 that is the minimum and I think maximum distance it can be performed.

I'm not sure what to change those to, but it seems like you got him a sigleaner for the most part.

And all the names must be the same,

The names need to be different for each signature shot and no two names can be alike.

[Modifly]

I already knew what those figures represent, but thanks for the help.

I also thought I got him a sigleaner, turns out the game sees this as his second sigshot and randoms between the two. He's still using the default leaner. I'll keep experimenting this but I think I'm running towards a brick wall. The procedure sounds right to me for most part, but somehow it doesn't work yet.

[Patr1ck]

Hmm, so even when you don't try to lean it will do the leaner sometimes? Or even when you try to lean it will do the regular one sometimes?

Is it a fadeaway? Because you have it set to moveback. What type of leaner is this? It's either forward, right or left.
Take a look at these entries. Whatever type of shot it is, edit your entry to match the one in bold.

Leaner to the right

jumpright
SHTJERJMPER
SHTKYLJMPRGT
SHTJERJMPERFAKE
NOTHING
NOTHING
HIGHARC
SHTKYLJMPRGTREG
SHTKYLJMPRGTREG2
REGULAR
SHTKYLJMPRGTLATE
SHTKYLJMPRGTLATE2
HIGHARC
MOVE
-25
-40
DEFAULT
rightjumper
x
moving
1
24

Leaner to the left

jumpleft
SHTJERJMPER
SHTKYLJMPLFT
SHTJERJMPERFAKE
NOTHING
NOTHING
HIGHARC
SHTKYLJMPLFTREG
SHTKYLJMPLFTREG2
REGULAR
SHTKYLJMPLFTLATE
SHTKYLJMPLFTLATE2
HIGHARC
MOVE
-10
-10
DEFAULT
leftjumper
x
moving
1
24

Fadeaway

fadeaway
SHTJERJMPER
SHTSHERFDAWAY
SHTJERJMPERFAKE
NOTHING
NOTHING
HIGHARC
SHTSHERFDAWAYREG
SHTSHERFDAWAYREG2
REGULAR
SHTSHERFDAWAYLATE
SHTSHERFDAWAYLATE2
HIGHARC
MOVE
-25
-35
DEFAULT
fadeaway
x
fadeaway
1
24

Lean into basket

leaner
SHTJERJMPER
SHTKYLLEANER
SHTJERJMPERFAKE
NOTHING
NOTHING
HIGHARC
SHTKYLLEANERREG
SHTKYLLEANERREG2
REGULAR
SHTKYLLEANERLATE
SHTKYLLEANERLATE2
HIGHARC
MOVE
-30
-30
DEFAULT
leanerfar
x
moving
1
24

[Modifly]

I think the MOVEBACK line is the one causing the problem. If I change that to match your entry in bold I think it'll work. Right now it does the leaner sometimes eventhough I didn't try to lean it, and when I try to do the leaner it will always do the default leaner. It's probably the MOVEBACK line. I completely didn't notice that. I was trying to make it a Leaner into the basket. I dont have access to the game right now, I will fix this when I get home and I'll give you more feedbacks. Thanks Pdub.

EDIT: OK, I just fixed my entry and match them to what you wrote in bold. Still, same results. I gave Alston a leaner to the basket but when I try to do a leaner in the game Alston just uses the default leaner animation. Better yet, when I press just the shoot button alone with no directions button at all Alston sometimes shoot with the sigleaner animation that I gave him. Weird.

[shadowgrin]

Should I STFU and play some RB/Halo?

No use in worrying with trivial things such as patching and just enjoy.

[Patr1ck]

Well, I guess you will have to change them from sigshots to goto moves since it is randomizing between the leaner and the normal sigshots.

[Modifly]

Well, there has to be a way to get this working. Ignatus managed to do it so there must be a way. I'll keep experimenting. Thank you for all your help.

[JaoSming]

So, while on very comfortable plane flights in the middle of the night, I thought about this and what I wanted to do.


I have an idea, and I'm just going to run with it without deciding on a version to use and see what comes of it. Courts are my thing and if I can get those pumping out, everything else in a mod should fall in nicely. Sad to think I haven't really worked much with ebodit aside from a few backboards.....



Anyway, one idea I did come up with that we could all mess with is the dunk contest. Changing animations used, controls, maybe screw with how it's aiact to make it more realistic/fun/different.

[Andrew]

Worth a shot.

[AMenace]

Looks promising!!!!!!!!

Please do this for live 08.

[adsefhr]

yeah. nice idea.