The Music Thread

[Dramacydal]

Rakim is pretty good, he has a song on the 8 Mile sound-track and I dug it. I got another song of his awhile back and liked it too, is his album out and is it worth it? I don't mean a compilation, just his own album?

since no one answered that question yet ima do it now, lol.

Rakim is a legend, you should definetely get "The 18th Letter" and "The Master" if you havent already. dunno about a new release though...i dont think he dropped any new albums letely...

and "R.A.K.I.M." is a great song.

[cklitsie]

Who said Kanye isn't keeping it real lol, no one did...

Well...

And Kanye isn't 'keeping it real'...

[-BHZMAFIA-]

^^How about Bridging the gap?
I like Nas a little bit too, but you can't deny that he's mainstream.

That's what I hate so much about the most people who listen to hiphop, they're all trying to listen to underground rappers and not the wellknown guys. But WTF, THE BIGGEST NAMES IN THE RAP GAME ARE BIG FOR A REASON. I have to agree though, once they've had some success they start to make more commercial stuff usually, but that's not the point.

You are saying Kanye isn´t keeping it real and stuff like that but you are the rich white kids listening to some thug or something like that and that's ok?
Saying rappers have wack rhymes and aren´t real gangsters and stuff like that while you're sitting behind your own pc with probably DSL and having other expensive stuff like that...

ps. You can´t go to college if you're really poor but you don't to be rich either. Most people lend money to pay college and are hoping to get a good job afterwards to pay the money backl

OMG, you should get a gold medal fo that post. It makes so much sense I just can't believe the post makes so much sense As for the college thing, all because you can go to college doesn't mean your making alot of money. I know plenty of kids who parents are rich, and they may be close to the poor side, but yes you can loan money to go to college. If you didn't know that then you either don't have an older brother or sister that go or went to college, your parents haven't explained that to you yet, or you don't need it because your rich Also, great post once again CK, I never thought I'll be so happy about a post


Also I would like to request for some people to download Three 6 Mafia feat. 8-ball & MJG, Young buc - Gotta Stay Fly

[Colin]

I'm sitting at home yes, but I'm not rapping about hustling to survive. Kanye is. I don't care that he came from the suburbs and isn't a former convict and drug dealer. Just rap about where and what you're from.

Being mainstream is making music for the mainstream. 50 Cent makes videos full of bouncing booties, so do the Chingys, the TI's, and all those other guys. Nas hasn't been doing that kind of appeal to that crowd thing since Nastradamus. From this last album, Bridging the Gap got played a little bit, I haven't heard Just A Moment on the radio or seen the video on TV once. I never even saw the One Mic video, I saw Made You Look once, and I Can a few times. I'd say that getting 4 or so songs that get played a little bit on the radio/msuci video stations in 5 years isn't exactly mainstream.

Mainstream, and being well-known are two different things anyways. A band like Coldplay may be well-known but they're not just thinking 'let's see how many singles we can have got to the number one song.' They're making music that they want to make.

[PiksS]

one mic was a lot on TV when i was a child and didn`t knew shit about music...
i remember my sister waching it, when i always was waiting for the toons

[Tuomas]

I completely agree. In my opinion big names are big for a reason, they deserve it, yes. But my respect goes to the big names who don't change they're style when getting success. That's what separates mainstream and big names for me. Good examples are Redman and 2Pac. They have been succesful without changing their style for a more "commercial" approach.

[SkipToMy_Lou]

I completely agree. In my opinion big names are big for a reason, they deserve it, yes. But my respect goes to the big names who don't change they're style when getting success. That's what separates mainstream and big names for me. Good examples are Redman and 2Pac. They have been succesful without changing their style for a more "commercial" approach.

Totally agree with that, and the only reason why I said that Kanye is overated is because I just read that some of you think that it's the best album. I wasn't saying he's overated because he is more known then various underground rappers.

[Ruff Ryder]

I'm sitting at home yes, but I'm not rapping about hustling to survive. Kanye is. I don't care that he came from the suburbs and isn't a former convict and drug dealer. Just rap about where and what you're from.

Being mainstream is making music for the mainstream. 50 Cent makes videos full of bouncing booties, so do the Chingys, the TI's, and all those other guys. Nas hasn't been doing that kind of appeal to that crowd thing since Nastradamus. From this last album, Bridging the Gap got played a little bit, I haven't heard Just A Moment on the radio or seen the video on TV once. I never even saw the One Mic video, I saw Made You Look once, and I Can a few times. I'd say that getting 4 or so songs that get played a little bit on the radio/msuci video stations in 5 years isn't exactly mainstream.

Mainstream, and being well-known are two different things anyways. A band like Coldplay may be well-known but they're not just thinking 'let's see how many singles we can have got to the number one song.' They're making music that they want to make.

Well it looks like Kanye West was feeling around with his vids and stuff, like he wasn't sure what would really appeal to the public, and as he said, he didn't think he'd make it big, so he put on his CD what he wanted to hear. For instance, we had "Through the Wire", which was about his accident and making a bounce back in the rap industry. Then we had All Falls Down, which I really liked. The majority of that song and lyrics were great. "I say fuck the police that's how I treat em/We buy our way out of jail, but we can't by freedom. " Then he put out Jesus Walks, which was like a curveball because I don't think anyone was really expecting it. The message and video(s) were executed to perfection (imo). He did a few tracks with others, and now he's up to "Diamonds". I like the original song I guess, not the remix though. The hook in Diamonds is pretty annoying though, but imo, it's one of those songs that you have to listen to more than once to appreciate it. But I don't really care much for the purpose of the song, it just seems kinda out there. Diamonds from Sierra Leone, hmmm.

But he hasn't put any joints out about wild parties in the clubs and screwing 3 hoes at his hotel.

BTW I have to retract that statement about Kanye's album being the best on I bought. It's definately top 5, but I really liked God's Son by Nas, even more so than Street's Deciple.

[Colin]

Yea, I still like Kanye. 2 Words and Spaceship are great songs. And the liner notes are mad funny, especially that 'yearbook'. That Kanye lyric is verging on what I'm talking about (verging being the emphazized word there) because he wasn't being chased by the police and dealing or anything. But, the song is pretty good. My favourites are from Last Call though, "flow infectious, give me ten seconds/I'll have a buzz bigger than insects in Texas" and the over-used "I'm killin' y'all niggas on this lyrical shit/Benz the colour of mayonaise I push miracle whips" Those are nice.

God's Son is an underrated album. I skip over Zone Out, Hey Nas, and from time to time Mastermind. But that's it. Dance is so emotional...damn. You got The Lost Tapes? That's also slept on.

[Matt]

That's what I hate so much about the most people who listen to hiphop, they're all trying to listen to underground rappers and not the wellknown guys. But WTF, THE BIGGEST NAMES IN THE RAP GAME ARE BIG FOR A REASON. I have to agree though, once they've had some success they start to make more commercial stuff usually, but that's not the point.

You are saying Kanye isn´t keeping it real and stuff like that but you are the rich white kids listening to some thug or something like that and that's ok?
Saying rappers have wack rhymes and aren´t real gangsters and stuff like that while you're sitting behind your own pc with probably DSL and having other expensive stuff like that...

ps. You can´t go to college if you're really poor but you don't to be rich either. Most people lend money to pay college and are hoping to get a good job afterwards to pay the money backl

1. The biggest names in rap aren't the best though. 50 Cent, Eminem, Snoop? Big names right, but they all suck. The reason they are big is their target audience, they try to reach out to everyone because that means more $$$. Thus they make commercial songs, you know, catchy tunes, easy lyrics, beats that make u feel like spasaming so that they get air play. That's why they are the BIGGEST names, it has nothing to do with the best.

2. I doubt any of us is rich, or our parents for that matter. That would require 1million annual income or $5million net assets.

secondly, we are the consumers. We don't have to keep it real, we aren't telling any lies when we listen to the music. It's the artists that have to keep it real, after all they want the respect of their fan base. Selling a fictional bullshit product will not get support (well maybe from children).

and to finish off, Kanye is overrated lyrically and as a producer.

[cklitsie]

1. I didn't mean those big names, they're not even 100% rappers anymore...
2. You are ignorant, I didn't say filthy rich, I said rich enough to go to college without lending money (you can replace "rich" by "having enough money" if you think you need to have $1million or more to be rich )

-Fictional bullshit? It's not like Kanye is a gangsta rapper while he is actually from a rich family or something like that, besides he makes music based on his experiences in life with clear messages (and good lyrics IMO). You don't have to be from the ghetto to be rapping about life and it's problems, you can have a tough childhood whether you're (a little bit ) rich or poor.

-Finish what off? Finish off your opinion, I guess... or maybe it's not even yours...
You can call anyone overrated but what is it based on? How do you measure how much props he gets, how much someone likes him, how good he actually is, etc.

[Colin]

-Fictional bullshit? It's not like Kanye is a gangsta rapper while he is actually from a rich family or something like that, besides he makes music based on his experiences in life with clear messages (and good lyrics IMO). You don't have to be from the ghetto to be rapping about life and it's problems, you can have a tough childhood whether you're (a little bit ) rich or poor.

You don't have to be from the ghetto to rap about life's problems, that's true. But if you're rapping about problems that occur in the ghetto then it kind of nullifies what you're trying to say if you're not from there.

[J@3]

Does Kanye rap about spilling hot water on himself while he's making tea? Or walking outside to get the mail when it's really cold? Those are the sort of things I'd envision a rapper who's not from the ghetto complaining about.

[Ataraxia]

If the music is good listen to it...just cause MTV plays it doesnt mean u shouldnt listen to it.

Ive seen so many rappers on MTV/VH1/Channel V....when u sign up with a record company your a commercial artist....your record can be brought from stores, the internet etc.....

underground rappers/artists arent the ones u see on the tele or listen to on the radio or are signed up to record deals...

theirs no such thing as commercial rap.....

theirs east coast rap, west coast rap, hardcore rap, gangster rap, hip-hop, southern rap, old school rap, new school rap etc.....Nas generally sticks to east coast rap...thats his genre....while someone like 50 cent lives mostly on hip-hop/west coast rap.

u think a real underground artist lives in a mansion and has five cars and makes music videos?...no they dont...only commercial artists do.

From Nas to Talib Kweli and from Team Sleep to Led Zeppelin...it doesnt matter what their lyrics are how real they keep it...their all commercial artists and play under the rules of a record company.

So say Nas appears on TRL?....are u really gonna stop listenin to him cause of that?....their not your father, brother, mother, sister or friend...who cares what they do...if you like their music then it really shouldnt matter what channel they come on and who they hang out with...its the music u should judge them by not their image....what if Nas/Tupac or your favourite rapper was gay?....would u stop listenin to him if he hung out with say Norah Jones or John Mayer?

[Jackal]

Wow, thanks for just saying everything CK just said.

[Ataraxia]

Everybody needs support.

[Tuomas]

moron, hip hop and rap aren't different styles of rap, and 50cent isn't west coast

[SkipToMy_Lou]

moron, hip hop and rap aren't different styles of rap, and 50cent isn't west coast

Lmao

And if my favourite rapper was gay then I would stop listening to him and burn all the CD's I have from him

[J@3]

Why?

[cklitsie]

Interesting what you said there Anorexia ( ) but Kanye DOES hang out with John Mayer.

[Matt]

2. You are ignorant, I didn't say filthy rich, I said rich enough to go to college without lending money (you can replace "rich" by "having enough money" if you think you need to have $1million or more to be rich )

You said we are rich. The definition of rich according to Forbes is $1million annual income + 5million net assets or $10million net assets.

You can call anyone overrated but what is it based on?

it's based on other peoples opinions on these boards, other boards, real life and reviews in the media. They all praise him for his "intelligent" lyrics and act like he said something profound. Sure, the stuff he does rap about is good but not great, he cant articulate like others.

Have you heard 2Pac's "Keep Ya Head Up"...that's a song with good subject matter and lyrically well articulated. ATTENTION ALL PEOPLE: Kanye is not the first concious rapper.

From Nas to Talib Kweli and from Team Sleep to Led Zeppelin...it doesnt matter what their lyrics are how real they keep it...their all commercial artists and play under the rules of a record company

not if they have their own record company's, which is common amongst rappers.

[cklitsie]

You said we are rich. The definition of rich according to Forbes is $1million annual income + 5million net assets or $10million net assets.

I didn't ask you to confirm you are ignorant...

it's based on other peoples opinions on these boards, other boards, real life and reviews in the media. They all praise him for his "intelligent" lyrics and act like he said something profound.

So many people like him but you don't, so all the other people are just overrating him because you're right? I have to admit people are overrating him sometimes but what you're saying just makes no sense.

ATTENTION ALL PEOPLE: Kanye is not the first concious rapper.

ATTENTION ALL PEOPLE: Tupac is dead.

[SkipToMy_Lou]

ATTENTION ALL PEOPLE: Tupac is dead.

He was just saying that Kanye isn't the first conscious rapper... so it doesn't actually matter if he is dead umm duh!

Why?

Let's just say I have a distinct hate for gays

[-BHZMAFIA-]

I'm planning on making a Jay-Z Greatest Hits CD with no more than 20 songs on it because thats as many songs my CD can hold I'm also making a "20 Best Songs" Jadakiss CD. If some of you can help me with some of the best songs they have came out with then I'll appreciate it. The songs can be old or current so I want to get some of you all input on this.

[Colin]

theirs no such thing as commercial rap.....

theirs east coast rap, west coast rap, hardcore rap, gangster rap, hip-hop, southern rap, old school rap, new school rap etc.....Nas generally sticks to east coast rap...thats his genre....while someone like 50 cent lives mostly on hip-hop/west coast rap.

50 Cent west coast. You want some genres. Hip-hop is not a genre of music anyways. Hip-hop is the culture that surround rap. It involves rapping, DJing, breaking, graf, etc. Those aren't really genres anyways, it's just where they're from. And 'gangster rap' is just a term made up by the media so that Delores Tucker could bash rap in the early 90's.

would u stop listenin to him if he hung out with say Norah Jones or John Mayer?

I listen to Common and Kanye. Go is a good song.