What garbage!

[mginsburg]

I just gave up this piece of garbage. I tried every tweak, every roster I could find. I played the best defense I could, and still Detroit was beating the Knicks (I know, but I had McDyess playing) 24-4 in only 4 minutes. All of their points were on layups and dunks. No set plays, and Detroit is not that type of team. I tried different teams and settings (arcade vs sim) (rookie, starter, all-star) and all the results are the same. It's NBA Jam, not Live.
Since I bought at Bestbuy and those idiots won't return it if the box is open (How can I try it out if I cannot open the box???, and the demo of 180 mb is too large of a download on a 56 kbps modem)so I sent it back to EASports. No more buying games from Bestbuy and no more buying anymore EA games. And I've been playing these games since Lakers vs Celtics in 1992.
Good luck to anyone who gets this garbage to work

[cocobee]

Good luck to anyone who gets this garbage to work

i got it to work just fine and I love this game. Try going to EB or Babbages and tell them you got it as a gift, they may fall for it and give you store credit. Since you hate the game so much, it might be worth the try.

BTW--2 words: GRIPES SECTION

[EddyMVP]

I just gave up this piece of garbage. I tried every tweak, every roster I could find. I played the best defense I could, and still Detroit was beating the Knicks (I know, but I had McDyess playing) 24-4 in only 4 minutes.

Man get a life, This is the best game that have ever come up. I was a Triple play fan and when I started to see the video of this game and played the demo I fall in love with it. Playing against the Cpu is not the same as playing with others users. The cpu is dso easy to beat.

[Number 25]

At first, it got annoying everytime the cpu gnawed at my hard earned lead, only for me to get it back. This kind of tug-of-war instilled a sense of urgency in the game, the very first time I felt for a Live game. And if playing with the cpu steams you up, why not try it out with friends? I guarantee you it's a better experience to play with another human. Although I have some gripes with this game (out of this world cpu shooting accuracy and high flying blocks which always fly out wildly), this is indeed a better NBA Live released yet. 8)

[Dirtdog1- David]

I agree; this game unless fixed in some way........ is garbage. The computer never sets up there offense, its run and gun 100% of the time and that is not real NBA basketball.

"I was a Triple play fan" that explains why you like this, that game is about as un-realistic as this one. Who finishes the season with 180-190 hrs, not real life.
EA Sport has gone the way of Arcade NBA Jam, if i was Ea sports i would of taken the Gameplay of Live 2000, added these graphics and ability to back down a player as well as a few of the other new featues and you they would have the perfect game.

David

[yaoming]

Dirtdog1- David: True, almost all ea sport games are unrealistic. The closest to a complete game is FIFA. They even messed up Cricket ...
I forgot to mention F12002 as a good game though AI is a little off but that could be fixed easily.

Anyway, once someone figures out how to hack/tweak this game so the computer tries to make more plays other than pick and roll then this game will be the best basketball game on the PC.

wait.. isn't this the only basketball game on pc? oh well.

[mginsburg]

Dirtdog1-David

You are right. I want the gameplay of Live 2000 and the graphics of 2003. I can live without the "high flying graphics". When I play basketball (real basketball), we set picks, play defense and pass to the open man. That's what bball is all about.
I never even tried Triple Play, I was always playing High Heat, then they got it screwed up with HH2003. This is what I use:
I'm going back to NBA Live 2000, High Heat 2002, NFL Primetime (it's not too bad, I get some good games), a text based boxing game and a text based horse racing game, and I just keep updating the rosters and teams.
I want good simulation, not bogus graphics.

[lebronjames]

This game is great, I have been playing since Live 95 on the super nintendo and i love this game better than any.. You guys need to learn how to play defense... You are all console players turned to the PC. Games are never perfect for the PC never... get used to it... and gripe in the gripes section, who cares anyway if you hate it... throw it all away... this is a board for people who need help with a game they like

[mginsburg]

Hey Lebronjames, who's paying you, EA sports? What do you get, free games or something? I never had a console game, it would be easier if I did. I don't like them. What kind of product do you buy for $40 and then you have to change it around, right out of the box. This game is for pinheads like you who think they can dunk all day long. And do you use "freestyle", whatever the hell that is. So now I have to buy another controller for $100 just so the defender can raise his right arm. Don't matter, because the CPU player is going to blow right by him and dunk the ball. This is a joke

[sfield]

I think the game is fine. Because for the first time in a long time you must think about your shots before you just fire them up. I too found that the CPU was running the fast break too much, but as in real bball what do you do when you shoot. Yes you watch the breaking guards. In a real game if someone shoots, one or two players always looks for the quick break, well now so does this game. What you need to do like in real basketball is that when you shoot, you must then defend the break, get back on defense and watch the runners. Simple. Since I've taken this approach the CPU doesn't run the ball as much because I have a defebder there to stop him. Crouch down and stop his penetration, they'll set it up then.

[Bredrin]

I'm a live fan but all the frustrations ppl have, I see to be legit. I'm forced to try and enjoy this game because I dont own a console. To Cocobee and lebron i dont know how u guys do it , but there are so many things you have to look past to like this game. I cant even find myself playin full games anymore, I just play like the first half and watch the cpu play for the rest sometimes. I mean how can i play zone with three of my guys on one player and he lays the ball up between them without any of my players even jumping? How can i shoot a three and know that the cpu predetermines whether or not my shot will miss and is already down the court waiting to dunk ? It all adds up over time to a very frustrating experience.

[lebronjames]

You guys complain like you have never seen a real NBA game. Dear lor there are fast breaks at these games, there are even blocked shots and get this actual bad passes, that yes, turn into turnovers...
Wow and to think this game has all of that.
I hate consoles, I love being able to edit the game... that is what a PC gives you editable content, that is what makes gaming fun.
The graphics are important in simulation, Ben Wallace isn't supposed to look like Antonio Mcdyess, and without great graphics he does...Learn to play defence people, or learn to quit complaining

[lebronjames]

I don't use freestyle, don't care to, don't know how, I have a Gravis Gamepad Pro... That's playground ball not pro-ball. It is funny how realistic this game is....
Franchise - Cavs
record going into tonite... 2-9
true life record 2-9
Davis ppg in NBA Live 19.4
Davis ppg in true life 20.5
Ilgauskus ppg in NBA Live 17.6
Ilgauskus in true life 18.9
How about that?

[Dirtdog1- David]

Okay, your stats are real on offense, now check the Nba at see what % of the opposite teams shots are dunks, and see if your stats reflect the real Nba in that catagory.......... also watch a game and see how much of the shot clock the teams really use.......... in this game the computer almost always shoots within the first 10-14 seconds. I don't care how good defense you play.

My problem with this game is the computer, and there arcade run and gun style. If they set up offense and play a slower pace, i would love this game. It seems to me when you shoot a 3 there is a psychic basket hanging guard who knew you would miss, and if you get back on defense, it still turns into only a 1 on 1 or 2 on 2 game, don't get me wrong i like a fast break every once and a while, but this game is too much.

Some of you can defend Ea sports all you want, but you know that you expected more than this.
If the game is so great then why are half the threads in this so called (Nba Live 2003 lovers help section) about the same complaint. This game is garbage unless slowed down.

[DR. P]

EA Sport has gone the way of Arcade NBA Jam, if i was Ea sports i would of taken the Gameplay of Live 2000, added these graphics and ability to back down a player as well as a few of the other new featues and you they would have the perfect game.

David, I couldn't agree with you more here. The gameplay does have a bit of an arcade feel to it, definitely a "run-n-shoot", Denver Nuggets/Doug Moe feel to it. I agree the best Live title I've ever played was 2000 and why they changed the gamplay from 2000 to 2k1 will always confound me. But to be honest, I also like the graphics of 2000 slightly better than the current one [at least for the player animations] since the players have this muscular feel to them that just doesn't seem right. But this year's graphics are at least better than 2k1. I'll never understand why you EA just doesn't stick to what got them there. Like I've noted in other thread's there are still loyal 2000 guys who to this day play that game. So I'd tell EA to look hard at what made that game so appealing and get back to that, spending more time adding new features as opposed to trying to re-invent the wheel in the game-play department. It was already solid in 2000, so why not simply re-vamp it instead of overhauling it all together.

And as mginsburg

"I want the gameplay of Live 2000 and the graphics of 2003. I can live without the "high flying graphics". When I play basketball (real basketball), we set picks, play defense and pass to the open man. That's what bball is all about."

Well I also agree with these statements, although I do want some better graphic than the 2000 ones, but not completely different. Just tweaked a bit. For instance, Use the live 2000 player animation models but make their skeletal structure more defined, make their vascularity more defined, but don't make a totally different player model. So I'm 50/50 on the "high flying graphics" part. But the rest I agree with.

Best,

P

[thefunnyone]

Againt, I agree with Dirtdog1. I'd add one thing: if you're bored watching NBA games and you just loooooove NBA Action and Courtside Countdown (yeah, those are my examples again. ), then you love this game. No question about it. That's why I like to play with it every now and then. But if you love the strategy part of the game, and like setting up plays and want to defend against a computer that sets up plays also, trying to figure out what they want, and trying to beat a screen and steal a pass when you figure out the only way he can pass, and block a shot every now and then, then you hate this game. It's that simple.

[mginsburg]

I was waiting for two years for this release, just like every one else in this forum, and I was extremely disappointed with this release. I guess my expectations were too high. What EA should do is just release new rosters and graphics. I would gladly pay $10 for such an upgrade. I'm back to playing Live 2000, it is the best of the bunch. I updated the rosters, if anyone would like a copy, let me know.

[Juntari]

I play Live 2000 too. In 2003 there is no custom team creation, which is pretty much a letdown for me. Everyone has their own reason on why they like or dislike the game; but most of them seem to be about how fast the game is and the areas in AI that does not simulate the real feel of an NBA game. I tried the demo out, and the number of animation and the shot selection were very robust. I also found the number of fast breaks are too numerous, and the defense breakdown is often created at the expense of the players on your team controlled by AI. It is very fun game, but I may buy the game when it comes down in price.