Upgrades/'Things you've done in anticipation for Live 2004

[bishibashiboy]

Thanks for the heads up bishibashiboy! I was just quoting something I've heard, i wasn't trying to be matter of fact...

personally I could care less whether I'm getting 30 or 60 (maybe that's because i just can't see that well )

and when im working on my game i have it set at 34, it seems to run pretty smooth, so that's what lead me to my statement.

anyway, that was a good read, cool stuff to know

cool..i'm glad you found it a good read. I thought it was interesting too, and it's a good link for people whenever they say that 30 is sufficient for ALL ppl and that you'd be a fool to want more.

And if 34 is all you need so be it! It's all good since you're the one that's having fun!

[endofanera]

Athlon 1700+ (1.47ghz) Overclocked to 2.5ghz Faster than a 3ghz P4
Abit NF7
1GB
Geforce 4 Ti4200 64mb (Time to upgrade:( )

A 1.47 athlon overclocked to 2.5 ghz is faster than a 3 ghz p4?. How did you come up with that?

Also, your main board wont last long when you're overclocking to more than 1000 mhz than it was shipped at. What kinda cooling you using to do that? north pole in a box?

It benchmarks faster, remember Athlons are more efficient CPU's that Pentium 4's. Mind you when I say faster than a 3Ghz I am referring to the 533FSB 3.06ghz Pentium 4. The 800FSB version is a little quicker, much higher memory bandwidth. Mind you for anything mathmatical my CPU will kill any P4.

The CPU is fine, AMD has refined Athlon production to an art. Now days they pretty much produce the one processor and bin it for whatever speeds are in demand. So my 1700+ is a 1700+ not because it can't go any higher but because thats what AMD was short of at the time. The processor willl last without any trouble at all, heat and high voltage are required for a good overclock and these can kill a processor but only if they are too high. A higher clockspeed isnt a concern. For my CPU the default voltage is 1.5v, in order to get this high I have jacked it up to 1.775, generally anything below 2v is safe for air cooling. My CPU runs quite cool. 39C Idle, 47C load, I do have a large copper heatsink and a 120mm Panaflo fan for cooling. This is nice and quiet.

My Fan
http://store.yahoo.com/directron/fba12g12h1a.html

My Heatsink
http://heatsinkfactory.com/cgi-bin/HFAs ... gno=HS-007

Ahh smartass! j/k
Too bad i never picked up one of the new thoroughbreds. Mine is a crappy Palomino xp1800+ that won't go very far o/c'ing.
How's the soundstorm on the NF7??

get the new Radeon 9800XT!

Thoroughbreds are great, I only got this set up a month or two ago, before then I had a 1600+ Palimino running at 1.95ghz.

I'm a cheapskate though and didn't get the NF7 with the Soundstorm, I already had an Audigy. Now I wish I had because I am fed up with Creative and I would have liked to have SATA.

The 9800XT looks good but it's too expensive, I would love to have one though. I think I will get some pretty good results out of an overclocked 9800 pro. At the moment the video card is the big bottleneck in my system, can't break 13,500 3Dmarks.

[bishibashiboy]

Thoroughbreds are great, I only got this set up a month or two ago, before then I had a 1600+ Palimino running at 1.95ghz.

Damn what motherboard were you using with the palomino? I'm using an old Abit Kr7a-133R. I never bothered unlocking the multipliers on my cpu so i'm left with o/c'ing solely thru upping my fsb. The moment i hit 143 (1.64Ghz) my computer won't post. How did you get yours that high?

I'm a cheapskate though and didn't get the NF7 with the Soundstorm, I already had an Audigy. Now I wish I had because I am fed up with Creative and I would have liked to have SATA.

What's wrong with the audigy?

The 9800XT looks good but it's too expensive, I would love to have one though. I think I will get some pretty good results out of an overclocked 9800 pro. At the moment the video card is the big bottleneck in my system, can't break 13,500 3Dmarks.

But you're using a Ti4200 right? That's a pretty good score for that card with your cpu @ 2.5.
I can't break 11,600 3dmarks with my 9500pro, and that's with my card o/c'ed to 330/297 (stupid cheap infineon ram). But still..definitely my bottleneck is my mb/cpu/ram.

Seriously, if anyone gets a Radeon 9800XT here, you're insane. It's really not worth it for the ~5% boost over the regular 9800pro.

[endofanera]

Thoroughbreds are great, I only got this set up a month or two ago, before then I had a 1600+ Palimino running at 1.95ghz.

Damn what motherboard were you using with the palomino? I'm using an old Abit Kr7a-133R. I never bothered unlocking the multipliers on my cpu so i'm left with o/c'ing solely thru upping my fsb. The moment i hit 143 (1.64Ghz) my computer won't post. How did you get yours that high?

I was using an Epox 8K3A which uses the VIA KT333 chipset. Good board with plenty of voltage for the CPU. Also a 1/5th Divisor which means that the PCI/AGP bus is running spec at 166FSB. At that time I had the bus at 190FSB. I unlocked the processor as well.

With your CPU what voltage are you using? Still the stock 1.75v? Because raising the voltage well help it as you get the speed up. Probably in your case I would say that the bus speed is the problem, the PCI/AGP are too far out of spec and the system just throws the towel in. 143 is actually pretty good, on my board before the Epox I couldn't get more than 140 out of it. If you unlock the multipliers you could probably get more out of it but I would be lying if I told you that was a fun job

Do you know the stepping of your CPU? Is it an early Palomino or a later one? If it is early then you probably won't get much more out of it.

I'm a cheapskate though and didn't get the NF7 with the Soundstorm, I already had an Audigy. Now I wish I had because I am fed up with Creative and I would have liked to have SATA.

What's wrong with the audigy?

Bad drivers, plus it has started locking up my system. I don't think it's an actual problem with card, I just don't think it gets along with my board. Probably will get a Hercules sound card and ditch this one.

The 9800XT looks good but it's too expensive, I would love to have one though. I think I will get some pretty good results out of an overclocked 9800 pro. At the moment the video card is the big bottleneck in my system, can't break 13,500 3Dmarks.

But you're using a Ti4200 right? That's a pretty good score for that card with your cpu @ 2.5.
I can't break 11,600 3dmarks with my 9500pro, and that's with my card o/c'ed to 330/297 (stupid cheap infineon ram). But still..definitely my bottleneck is my mb/cpu/ram.

Thats a very good score for your setup

You can pick up an Nforce2 board and a thoroughbred dirt cheap now, it's a whole new world

Seriously, if anyone gets a Radeon 9800XT here, you're insane. It's really not worth it for the ~5% boost over the regular 9800pro.

Damn right, the price is insane and you are only paying for clockspeed which you can achieve by overclocking the 9800 PRO for free

[bishibashiboy]

I should have went for a Kt333 chipset when i could have. At the time i got my system the kt333 chipset was brand new and performance was worse/equal to the kt266a. In hindsight I made a mistake.
The only dividers i have are FSB:AGP:PCI = 4:2:1 so basically at 143 fsb my agp is at 71.5 and pci is 35.75. AGP is way too far out of spec for ati cards
I got an early stepping. Forgot exactly waht it was, but i looked it up with cpuid a long time ago and that's what i remember.
I left my voltage at stock. My thing puts out enough heat the way it is, with temps around 56 on avg. OUch.
And yeah, I've read about unlocking the multipliers on the palominos..it's hell isn't it? compared to the bartons and thoroughbreds at least.

Yeah I want to pick up an nforce2 mb and a barton 2500+ but damn, I really don't want to spend the money. In canada it's: 130 for the chip + 200 for the mb + 120 for 512 megs PC3200 + 130 for a new antec case (i want a new case). Don't want to drop the $640 (tax incl) in the end for it especially since my computer is only a lil over a year old and also since the Athlon 64 was just released

The 9800XT has that Overdrive thing. I'm not too sure about that, and how reliable it is. I prefer traditional o/c's. You should try to find a cheap Radeon 9800non-pro or wait for the new Radeon 9600XTs. Suppozedly the 9600XT is billed as the first mainstream card to surpass the performance of the R9700pro. THAT i have to see to believe.

Regardless, I hope Live 2004 will have better performance than 2003 on my system. I've been able to handle almost all the games out now, but from what i've heard, I'm pretty sure EA has screwed the pc version again

[wicked waway]

my spec.
duron 1.3 ghz
geforce 3 ti200 64mb
256mb sdr
I probably play nba live 2004 in my ps2, w/ my rig not powerful enough to play live 2004.

chong nakakatakot ka naman. my rig is slower than yours.. dont tell me i cnat run live 2004 on my pc?u think so??

kasi in this age of computer gaming, ung spec ng pc ko pang average setting lang, nba live sreies is optimize sa ps2 compare sa pc ko w/ my spec. Although my pc is quite good playing gta vice city than playing it in ps2.

sabagay u have a good point.. my gf4mx440 is limited nga eh. but havent tried the high end rigs though.( radeon 9800s and gffx9800) .. pero if its just about being able to turn 4xfsaa on... i wouldnt consider upgrading and shelling out my precious pesos.. taghirap pa naman ang pinas..( to those who didnt understand that line.. my apologies, i was just saying that upgrading to a high end pc.. esp if ur not a die hard gamer like mw would be hard cos money is tight... he he parang iba ata translation ko) tried an athlon 2200+ with a gffx5200 card though.. hard to appreciate.. the difference bet that rifg and mine wasnt really earth shattering. so to speak

[BlueTooth]

my spec.
duron 1.3 ghz
geforce 3 ti200 64mb
256mb sdr
I probably play nba live 2004 in my ps2, w/ my rig not powerful enough to play live 2004.

chong nakakatakot ka naman. my rig is slower than yours.. dont tell me i cnat run live 2004 on my pc?u think so??

kasi in this age of computer gaming, ung spec ng pc ko pang average setting lang, nba live sreies is optimize sa ps2 compare sa pc ko w/ my spec. Although my pc is quite good playing gta vice city than playing it in ps2.

sabagay u have a good point.. my gf4mx440 is limited nga eh. but havent tried the high end rigs though.( radeon 9800s and gffx9800) .. pero if its just about being able to turn 4xfsaa on... i wouldnt consider upgrading and shelling out my precious pesos.. taghirap pa naman ang pinas..( to those who didnt understand that line.. my apologies, i was just saying that upgrading to a high end pc.. esp if ur not a die hard gamer like mw would be hard cos money is tight... he he parang iba ata translation ko) tried an athlon 2200+ with a gffx5200 card though.. hard to appreciate.. the difference bet that rifg and mine wasnt really earth shattering. so to speak

galing mo palang mag-translate ng english dre eh , turuan mo nga ako(nauubusan na nga ako ng english sa pagpopost ko d2 eh, dapat magsimula uli tayo ng topic na Pinoy D2tayo Part 2, natatandaan mo yun, yung mahabang tread natin d2) For those who don't understand what I have said, I don't how to translate it No, I was just telling wickedwaway that he is very good in translating our native language to english.

[wicked waway]

galing mo palang mag-translate ng english dre eh , turuan mo nga ako(nauubusan na nga ako ng english sa pagpopost ko d2 eh, dapat magsimula uli tayo ng topic na Pinoy D2tayo Part 2, natatandaan mo yun, yung mahabang tread natin d2) For those who don't understand what I have said, I don't how to translate it No, I was just telling wickedwaway that he is very good in translating our native language to english. [/quote]

d kaya tao palatasin nyan? putol na ba habang thread? Iwas just askin him how long has he been anticipatin nba live 2004 and if the cafes here can run the game. sorry for the filipino talk.. it just makes me feel good seeing my native language in an international thread. tnx for understanding

[Nick]

YAY!

I bought 256 more extra RAM today. Played live 2003 today and it's noticably better. Things should be okay with 2004...hopefully...

My specs now...

Pentium 3 553 Mhz
384 SDRAM
14 gig hard drive
GeForce 4 MX 440-8x

!

[Andreas Dahl]

Pentium 3 553 Mhz

that doesn't quite look to good... it kinda steps out from the other specs for your computer... it will probebly work anyway though...
[edit:] i just noticed that you got the same ammount of RAM as me


i will (hopefully) get a brand new computer around christmas
YESSSSSS. only 61 days away...

[Roland]

Old:
P4 2.4 Ghz 533 FSB
GeForce 4 Ti4200 64MB
768 MB DDR RAM 333Mhz
140 GB HD 7200Rpm 8MB Cache

New:
P4 3Ghz 800FSB
ATI Radeon 9800 128MB
1GB DDR RAM 400Mhz
180 GB HD 7200Rpm 8MB Cache

I couldn't play 2003 at max with my old pc. If i can't with this one i'll freak out... I also received a "insufficient space" message every once in a while when i tried to save the game with over 60GB free left... I hope i'll have enough space this time

[Nick]

Pentium 3 553 Mhz

that doesn't quite look to good... it kinda steps out from the other specs for your computer... it will probebly work anyway though...
[edit:] i just noticed that you got the same ammount of RAM as me


i will (hopefully) get a brand new computer around christmas
YESSSSSS. only 61 days away...

I know it sucks, but i should be fine. 2003 runs fine for me, 2004 shouldn't be any different.