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Re: NBA Live 19 @ EA Play 2018

Postby ThaLiveKing on Tue Jun 12, 2018 2:37 am

matmat66 wrote:Is there news on whether they will include All Decade teams which we can use off line? Thanks.


Shopmaster brought it up in an interview with Connor, and he couldn't talk about it. I have a feeling they are in the game this year.
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Re: NBA Live 19 @ EA Play 2018

Postby jayzmagz on Tue Jun 12, 2018 2:47 am

It's cool to see one of the outdoor courts is from our country. Having that court could get EA some fans/gamers back and it could help their sales.
Hoping that this game delivers. A lot of people here in our country are getting sick of 2K because of the VC purchases and nothing much has changed with the gameplay. 2K does not even try much since there is no competition.
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Re: NBA Live 19 @ EA Play 2018

Postby Maverick on Tue Jun 12, 2018 4:04 am

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That dude say, that nba live 19 is on PC. If only it was so :bowdown:

But he said it with so much certainty. Like he's seeing the CPU, the mouse and the keyboard there or maybe there's a separate area for PC/XBOX/PS4 and he's in the PC area. I don't know! I really hope it's true though. I guess it's just us not believing the unbelievable lol
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Re: NBA Live 19 @ EA Play 2018

Postby matmat66 on Tue Jun 12, 2018 3:11 pm

Wow! It will be great if Live will have it this year!!!

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matmat66 wrote:Is there news on whether they will include All Decade teams which we can use off line? Thanks.


Shopmaster brought it up in an interview with Connor, and he couldn't talk about it. I have a feeling they are in the game this year.
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Re: NBA Live 19 @ EA Play 2018

Postby Vlad2010 on Tue Jun 12, 2018 6:24 pm

Maverick wrote:
Vlad2010 wrote:
V01D wrote:Here's some ghetto footage
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That dude say, that nba live 19 is on PC. If only it was so :bowdown:

But he said it with so much certainty. Like he's seeing the CPU, the mouse and the keyboard there

if the game on the PC does not necessarily have to be a keyboard and mouse - this is old stereotype. For example, I play all games with a gamepad (except first-person shooters)...
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Re: NBA Live 19 @ EA Play 2018

Postby NixazMixaz on Tue Jun 12, 2018 6:58 pm

I just hope it's the case like with 2K9 on PC, it got revealed a bit later and released ten days later. :roll: Keep them hopes high, I don't want to buy NBA 2K anymore. :(
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Re: NBA Live 19 @ EA Play 2018

Postby Andrew on Tue Jun 12, 2018 7:43 pm

Honestly, basketball video games have been intended to be played with a dual analog gamepad since 2002. Different strokes for different folks and all that, but if you're playing a basketball game released after 2002 with a keyboard in 2018, you're not getting the full experience. Some games favour keyboard and mouse, others favour gamepad.
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Re: NBA Live 19 @ EA Play 2018

Postby [Q] on Wed Jun 13, 2018 1:19 am

Anybody notice that 2k coverboy Kyrie gets murdered in that trailer? Lol
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Re: NBA Live 19 @ EA Play 2018

Postby Andrew on Wed Jun 13, 2018 1:54 am

Doesn't seem to be a coincidence. I remember shortly after Chris Paul was revealed as the NBA 2K8 cover player, a bunch of NBA Live 08 screens featuring him were released.
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Re: NBA Live 19 @ EA Play 2018

Postby V01D on Wed Jun 13, 2018 3:11 am

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it kinda reminded me of NBA live 10 tbh, dribbling is just nasty, and look at joel embiid facial expression EA just few more years away from officially beating 2k
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Re: NBA Live 19 @ EA Play 2018

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Re: NBA Live 19 @ EA Play 2018

Postby [Q] on Sat Jun 16, 2018 2:11 am

I feel that the women playing in the streets and a potential for created females and The One could be a big selling point. EA just announced women in Battlefield V (with a lot of backlash from sexists and trolls alike) but from a PR standpoint that is great and could actually help sell the game to people who probably would not have bought it
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Re: NBA Live 19 @ EA Play 2018

Postby PeacemanNOT on Sat Jun 16, 2018 2:21 am

[Q] wrote:I feel that the women playing in the streets and a potential for created females and The One could be a big selling point. EA just announced women in Battlefield V (with a lot of backlash from sexists and trolls alike) but from a PR standpoint that is great and could actually help sell the game to people who probably would not have bought it

The backlash from women being in BFV isn’t because people are sexist or trolls (although some trolls have started jumping on the cirlce jerk and have become toxic, it’s in the small minority). People want an historically accurate game, that doesnt depict an Asian, British disabled woman fighting on the frontline of a battle in WW2. How is that sexist?

I agree that bringing women into the game more is a good selling point for Live but don’t compare it to the controversy of BFV. It’s a completely different situation.
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Re: NBA Live 19 @ EA Play 2018

Postby zzcoolj21 on Sat Jun 16, 2018 4:52 am

If people got that upset about historical changes in media all the time hollywood would be out of business.

Hope we see more than just a play now mode for the WNBA.
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Re: NBA Live 19 @ EA Play 2018

Postby Dee4Three on Sat Jun 16, 2018 5:45 am

zzcoolj21 wrote:If people got that upset about historical changes in media all the time hollywood would be out of business.

Hope we see more than just a play now mode for the WNBA.


I'd like to see WNBA franchise mode, and multi user franchise in both modes.
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Re: NBA Live 19 @ EA Play 2018

Postby [Q] on Sat Jun 16, 2018 9:07 am

zzcoolj21 wrote:If people got that upset about historical changes in media all the time hollywood would be out of business.

This was going to be my point. Took the words right out of my mouth.
Most games these days are basically playable movies where the game part is simply filler to get you to the next cut scene

Even then, most movies "based on a true story" or "based on true events" usually aren't 100% accurate. Hollywood always takes creative liberties and even in "autobiographical movies" there are always scenes that just simply didn't happen in real life. Or like the X-Men movies where they don't follow the comics or change things around. I mean, you had a female version of Ghostbusters and tons of recycled and Oceans 8 and also rebooted superhero franchises but you just can't keep copying what was done and of course people like to put their own spin on it.

I'm a fan of modern, ultra realistic shooters so I can be a stickler for some things like how when you shoot one bullet and reload you only lose one bullet in your inventory even though you just dropped a clip full of them. I personally haven't bought a call of duty or battlefield game since they started with this futuristic crap, going into space, running on walls, Halo style double jumping, etc. I know I don't like those kinds of games so I just simply don't buy em. Im not going out of my way to tell developers how they're not doing their job correctly
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Re: NBA Live 19 @ EA Play 2018

Postby PeacemanNOT on Sat Jun 16, 2018 9:45 am

Okay, but this is WW2 we're talking about. Hearing women shouting across the Battlefield during the 1940s is a big change. It's nothing like the things you're giving examples of. I think the original problem with it is they came out and said it was a WW2 game, which is where the backlash came from. But now they're calling it "their portrayal of WW2". Since that's the case the whole controversy doesn't really matter anymore, and I don't care since that's the case now.

I'm sorry I've turned this into something offtopic, I just didn't really agree with what you're saying.
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Re: NBA Live 19 @ EA Play 2018

Postby Wolfy03 on Sun Jun 17, 2018 4:39 am

Screenshots - GSW Players + LeBron:

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Re: NBA Live 19 @ EA Play 2018

Postby Andrew on Sun Jun 17, 2018 11:58 am

Looking really good to me. No "PS2 graphics" there.
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Re: NBA Live 19 @ EA Play 2018

Postby V01D on Sun Jun 17, 2018 2:22 pm

Yeah they finally upgraded to PS3 graphics
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Re: NBA Live 19 @ EA Play 2018

Postby Andrew on Sun Jun 17, 2018 2:57 pm

Cute. Screenshots quickly expose that for the snarky hyperbole that it is, though. Even NBA Live 14 was an upgrade on the PS3/360 era in terms of faces and environments.
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Re: NBA Live 19 @ EA Play 2018

Postby jayzmagz on Sun Jun 17, 2018 5:04 pm

To me I like NBA Live's graphics. I prefer their skin texture and jerseys more than 2K. But I always notice this, Live's Lebron is good but there is something I can't pinpoint that looks off with his face. I still prefer 2K's face for Lebron. Both 2K and EA have a hit and miss with regards to Player faces.
But EA usually does good Legend face models.

EDIT: Before I forget I am still confused why 2K can't make long hair models move, EA has been doing it since PS3/X360 days. 2K only did it with Steve Nash in 2K7. This is one of the positives I always look forward with EA Player models.
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Re: NBA Live 19 @ EA Play 2018

Postby Andrew on Sun Jun 17, 2018 5:19 pm

It is strange that both companies have different track records with different players, especially when most of them do actually sit for face scans these days.

2K does have some hair movement:

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Re: NBA Live 19 @ EA Play 2018

Postby zzcoolj21 on Sun Jun 17, 2018 6:59 pm

I give the edge to Live 18 Lebron. The first video game to get his facial hair right.

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Re: NBA Live 19 @ EA Play 2018

Postby PeacemanNOT on Sun Jun 17, 2018 8:34 pm

Recently when compared to 2K, Live makes them look cartoonish. Everything down to the players/courts/jerseys/shoes. It just seems like 2K take major cuts in areas to focus on other stuff. I mean some of the textures 2K use are so innacurate and outdated it’s laughable, especially the courts. When compared to Live’s courts it’s literally a night and day comparison. Wouldn’t be surprised if most of the developement time is put into online features and shit that will make them money. I’d defintely buy Live if your big into accuracy because that’s something Live has over 2K the past couple of years.

Andrew wrote:It is strange that both companies have different track records with different players, especially when most of them do actually sit for face scans these days.

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Also, I believe hair movement was in the 2K15 but they removed it in 2K16 and the future games. Just another example of 2K removing features, and to be added later.
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Re: NBA Live 19 @ EA Play 2018

Postby Andrew on Sun Jun 17, 2018 8:59 pm

Making features like The Neighborhood a priority likely hasn't helped matters.
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Re: NBA Live 19 @ EA Play 2018

Postby Murat on Mon Jun 18, 2018 5:36 am

PeacemanNOT wrote:
Also, I believe hair movement was in the 2K15 but they removed it in 2K16 and the future games. Just another example of 2K removing features, and to be added later.


Then represent them as something new.

Good bodytypes in 2K15. Then fucking them up in 2K17. Then representing it as "improved bodytypes".

Such wow, 2K.
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Re: NBA Live 19 @ EA Play 2018

Postby jayzmagz on Mon Jun 18, 2018 3:52 pm

Andrew wrote:It is strange that both companies have different track records with different players, especially when most of them do actually sit for face scans these days.

2K does have some hair movement:

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Did not remember that. Thanks for that. As said in others post. 2K's consistency with their player's model/hair are a step backward. Hoping for a better player model this year.
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Back to EA. This is why I really want Live to succeed and be a threat to 2K to have a very healthy competition and gamers will be happy for the games both company release.
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Re: NBA Live 19 @ EA Play 2018

Postby Andrew on Mon Jun 18, 2018 5:06 pm

We need at least two viable options, no question.
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Re: NBA Live 19 @ EA Play 2018

Postby jayzmagz on Tue Jun 19, 2018 12:15 am

Agree, I'm a fan of NBA Live since Live 95 in the 16 bit era. Sucks that their downfall started when they release NBA Live in the PS3 and X360.
They did a pretty good job with Live 10, I thought that was the start of their rise. Then Elite 11 happened. The rest was history.

BTW I really wish All-Star weekend returns to NBA Live. I miss playing 3 point shootout and Slam Dunk Contest in EA style. 2K imho did not deliver the goods with their All-Star weekend. I hate the Rockband type of controls and also the scoring sucks. 3 Point Contest also sucks.

Up to this day I still play Live 05/06 3 Point and Slam Dunk contest in the original Xbox. Still having fun doing crazy dunks with it. Hope that mode returns with proper response rate on the controls like the PS2/XBOX/GC. That mode died when they ported it into the PS3/X360. It was glitchy as F!
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Re: NBA Live 19 @ EA Play 2018

Postby Wolfy03 on Tue Jun 19, 2018 12:38 am

NBA Live 18 players compared to NBA Live 19 players:

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Re: NBA Live 19 @ EA Play 2018

Postby [Q] on Tue Jun 19, 2018 1:44 am

Is it weird that I think having super detailed players isn't the biggest necessity when usually during play the game isn't zoomed in enough for you to tell
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Re: NBA Live 19 @ EA Play 2018

Postby Dee4Three on Tue Jun 19, 2018 1:50 am

Player faces certainly show improvement.

I like what EA is doing with Live this year.
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Re: NBA Live 19 @ EA Play 2018

Postby Andrew on Tue Jun 19, 2018 1:57 am

[Q] wrote:Is it weird that I think having super detailed players isn't the biggest necessity when usually during play the game isn't zoomed in enough for you to tell


I get where you're coming from. It's important to have at this point and a key part of authenticity, but it's still something I can overlook more than gameplay flaws or disappointing modes. For me, a missing feature or troublesome gameplay issue outranks a face that isn't quite right.
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Re: NBA Live 19 @ EA Play 2018

Postby ThaLiveKing on Wed Jun 20, 2018 2:06 am

zzcoolj21 wrote:I give the edge to Live 18 Lebron. The first video game to get his facial hair right.

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Re: NBA Live 19 @ EA Play 2018

Postby jayzmagz on Wed Jun 20, 2018 4:09 am

I for one am craving for player details since to me graphics are as important to gameplay. Seeing how powerful today's console and PC it is unacceptable for game developers to not focus on both aspects of the game. It's not like back in the 90s where we are ok playing with players with same shoes, no accessories, no tats, etc. It does not feel authentic, like Andrew mentioned.

Also most basketball or sports enthusiast who are gamers treat their sports games like RPG where every accessories, hair, etc. are important. I for one am guilty with that :D I sometimes pause the game just to go to the replay menu and zoom in to see all player/court details. (even the sole of the shoe) And thank you for the screenshot button in the PS4, I could take screenshots of those great details. :P
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Re: NBA Live 19 @ EA Play 2018

Postby Dee4Three on Wed Jun 20, 2018 5:01 am

jayzmagz wrote:I for one am craving for player details since to me graphics are as important to gameplay. Seeing how powerful today's console and PC it is unacceptable for game developers to not focus on both aspects of the game. It's not like back in the 90s where we are ok playing with players with same shoes, no accessories, no tats, etc. It does not feel authentic, like Andrew mentioned.

Also most basketball or sports enthusiast who are gamers treat their sports games like RPG where every accessories, hair, etc. are important. I for one am guilty with that :D I sometimes pause the game just to go to the replay menu and zoom in to see all player/court details. (even the sole of the shoe) And thank you for the screenshot button in the PS4, I could take screenshots of those great details. :P


100% disagree with the first statement. Graphics are not even close to as important as gameplay. Yes, we have graphical expectations, but if the game plays like garbage we won't even play it. I have seen numerous titles that fit the bill graphically, and I don't even want to touch them because of the bad gameplay. However, I have a slew of games that I like that are not outstanding graphically, but the gameplay is awesome. For example, Tennis Elbow 2013. Is the game fitting for this gen or even last gen graphically? Hell no, but is the gameplay a blast? absolutely.

I could give so many examples of that. For one, Live's graphics would have been accepted A LOT more for Live 14, Live 15 etc if the gameplay was up to snuff. It wasn't, therefore most people put the game down fast. One thing I will say: You did say for YOU the graphics are as important, but maybe you should think more about that one. For example, if you picked up 2K19 and the graphics blew away NBA 2K18, but you liked the gameplay quite a bit more on 2K18 and could get updated rosters, would you really move onto 2K19 just to look at it?

Another example of this, is modern day MMORPG's or RPG's in general. The graphics (Beautiful worlds) are the main focus, while the gameplay falls short on so many titles. The gameplay in most of the modern day MMORPG's and some of the rpg's feels mostly the same. No authenticity to it, not a ton of thought into the titles. A significant focus on graphics can actually hurt a game, if they can't provide that equal focus on gameplay.

However, I agree that expectations are a lot higher now. And for those who are not into modding, or not on PC in general, or who can't even seem to get that content through modding, I am sure it can be a little frustrating. Sometimes the games limitations are frustrating, because it makes you question "Did they really think about me, the consumer?" and "Why would they limit my customization power". I get frustrated with the art at times, 2K18 was a total mess to me, between the lighting/arena quality, the body types, the large heads in the league, etc. But, if the gameplay had been outstanding, I would have played it more.
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Re: NBA Live 19 @ EA Play 2018

Postby shinron15 on Wed Jun 20, 2018 7:45 am

I'm anticipating Live 19 to be the welcoming improvement from 18, which was already a step in the right direction. A big thing that I would like to see changed is how the higher difficulties are handled. All-Star (and ESPECIALLY Superstar) is when the AI begins to outright cheat instead of using actual skill in 18. They can intercept the ball while facing the other direction, layups brick frequently, and as nice as they look, the two man block animations either have to be toned down severely, or outright removed completely. Because of the frequent instances of said animations being triggered, it basically makes it impossible to slash to the basket without being stuffed 90% of the time. If these get addressed, and with the gameplay improvements that we've seen, I'll gladly give Live 19 a chance.
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Re: NBA Live 19 @ EA Play 2018

Postby Andrew on Wed Jun 20, 2018 1:41 pm

Top notch graphics make the best first impression and are important because a lot of gamers do make snap judgements about titles from the way they look. However, once you get your hands on the sticks, the allure of great visuals will fade very quickly if the gameplay isn't fun and the modes don't keep you hooked.

Speaking of which, it's a similar situation with the debate between gameplay and game modes. Gameplay is paramount because you need to like and enjoy playing the game, but there needs to be something to the modes to keep you hooked and invested in the experience.

Focusing on one area at the expense of others won't result in the deep, well-rounded, enjoyable game that we want to see, and NBA Live needs to be. That's why I'm glad to hear that on top of further improvements to the gameplay, all the modes will be receiving some attention in NBA Live 19. It may not be quite enough for everyone's liking, particularly if you favour one or two modes in particular, but hopefully it'll be further steps in the right direction.
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Postby jayzmagz on Wed Jun 20, 2018 8:54 pm

I agree with Andrew. Usually the graphics gives gamers a first impression on what to expect with the game.
Look at the KOF 14 game for example, it has good gameplay but the dated graphics made people not like it that much.
That's why I really prefer a game to be equal in both categories but still depends on the gamer who will play the game.
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Postby Dee4Three on Thu Jun 21, 2018 1:24 am

jayzmagz wrote:I agree with Andrew. Usually the graphics gives gamers a first impression on what to expect with the game.
Look at the KOF 14 game for example, it has good gameplay but the dated graphics made people not like it that much.
That's why I really prefer a game to be equal in both categories but still depends on the gamer who will play the game.


Certainly agree with the first impression aspect, I kind of forgot about that when making my earlier statement. I think for longevity, the gameplay is most important, but for first impression, the graphics are certainly right up there in importance.
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Re: NBA Live 19 @ EA Play 2018

Postby Andrew on Thu Jun 21, 2018 1:37 am

Games definitely have to be more than eye candy, which is why gameplay is important. The experience can't be too narrow or repetitive either, which is why modes are important.
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Re: NBA Live 19 @ EA Play 2018

Postby Rosque on Thu Jun 21, 2018 8:09 am

I rather have nba 2k6 gfx and best gameplay ever that mimics life 1:1 than this botched gameplay at the other company and pretty gfx.
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Postby jayzmagz on Thu Jun 21, 2018 4:24 pm

It still depends on the gamer who will play the game, but as I have said a balance of both is ideal.

Also, as Andrew mentioned game modes are also important. As mentioned in my earlier post up to this day I still play NBA Live 05/06 because of the All-Star game mode. I really wish this mode returns to the game with added features. Like proper USA vs The World, be able to edit your own All-Star Roster, an advanced Slam Dunk contest and etc.
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Re: NBA Live 19 @ EA Play 2018

Postby Andrew on Thu Jun 21, 2018 7:54 pm

Being able to edit All-Star and additional teams would be big. That's been very handy in NBA 2K for many years now.
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Postby jayzmagz on Thu Jun 21, 2018 9:18 pm

I really don't know why both EA and 2K does not have that. I think the last game I could remember where you could edit All-Star roster is ESPN NBA 2night for XBOX and PS2.
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Postby Andrew on Thu Jun 21, 2018 9:22 pm

I suppose it hasn't been too common an option in roster editing over the years. I'd love to see that change, though.
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