The defense is broken - VIDEO #3 WITH SLIDER TWEAKS!

[Dee4Three]

I think first step is to resign from HoF lvl. It was always bad for almost all 2k games.

It does this for all difficulty levels though, and I havn't found a slider fix that makes sense.

[sticky-fingers]

To each their own - I also have had games where I felt the driving was way too easy, it seems to really depend on which players are on the court ...

Well, i achieve to deny easy drive mostly when my player is slower than the defender... BUT sometimes, it seems to break and like Dee wrote, sliders dont seem to change anything.
Then, i restart a game or reload sliders after select HoF and the defense is back.
Same way for acceleration. My User Sliders are very slow. But i cant explain why sometimes, when my player dribbles or go to dunk, i've got an extra speed.

You know whats odd, if I run the NBA 2K17.exe as administrator, the game feels more responsive. This has nothing to do with the defense in 2K18, kind of random. But, I am going to try that with 2K18 anyway to see if anything changes.

Well, i run 2K18 in administrator since day one

[Dee4Three]

To each their own - I also have had games where I felt the driving was way too easy, it seems to really depend on which players are on the court ...

Well, i achieve to deny easy drive mostly when my player is slower than the defender... BUT sometimes, it seems to break and like Dee wrote, sliders dont seem to change anything.
Then, i restart a game or reload sliders after select HoF and the defense is back.
Same way for acceleration. My User Sliders are very slow. But i cant explain why sometimes, when my player dribbles or go to dunk, i've got an extra speed.

You know whats odd, if I run the NBA 2K17.exe as administrator, the game feels more responsive. This has nothing to do with the defense in 2K18, kind of random. But, I am going to try that with 2K18 anyway to see if anything changes.

Well, i run 2K18 in administrator since day one

Smart man. Probably paranoid like me, but smart.

[nextnba]

As I am playing this game more, I am confirming that it is a break. Sometimes the game loads fine. normal speed, very good D. For no reason, the game breaks and none of the sliders work and the game becomes very fast and you can drive pass CPU at will. What has worked for me is just slowing the game speed down in game setting. That seems to stabilized the game and it brings it back to good CPU D again. The only shitting thing with this is that when the game does load normally, it is so slow so you need to change the speed setting back.

This is not new, this issue has been with 2k for years now and it doesn't appear that 2k can fix this. It's like tie into their AI and fixing it might mean getting a completely new AI.

[Dee4Three]

That means 100% of the time when I boot up the game it's a break.

It means that the other people on here who said the perimeter defense was bad also had a break on each bootup.

It's not a break, it's the new motion system and it's far from perfect.

[dare]

I experienced something like this speed breakbut while playing defense, it happened during the hip animation. Zubac was able to guard Kyrie for a couple of seconds then Kyrie still finishes for a layup. It felt weird for a couple seconds it looks like Zubac got a speed boost during the animation.

[nextnba]

Why don't u actually do a census? A lot of people on this website also noted that the D is very good. I know that you're experiencing it 100% but I'm telling u that I don't experiencing it 100%. I get it about 25%. And if I lower speed setting, I don't get it anymore. There is another guy that just commented.

To each their own - I also have had games where I felt the driving was way too easy, it seems to really depend on which players are on the court ...

But yesterday I actually had my first full game ever (12 mins/q) playing with the '13 Heat vs the '12 Thunder and I really had a hard time driving to the hoop against KD, Russ, Sefolosha.
With LeBron it was possible, but not too easy.

All in all the game was quite realistic except the fact that Wade, Bosh and Durant all went down with injuries (is it a bug?). I had a triple double with LeBron (almost quadrouple double with TOs though ) but was lacking scoring power without Wade and Bosh (and with Allen shooting poorly because of good D when coming around screens) and lost by 10.

So in a way the 'broken D' did not affect me - still I see your problem. I am also hoping for a fix.

Like me, he also noted that at times the driving is too easy but other times, it's actually very hard. I know that you've made up your mind about this problem but I'm just letting you know what my experience with the game has been like. If you google it or search it, you will find that not many people outside of you are having this problem. It they all were, there would be more of an out cry and more people complaining about this. As hard as it seems to u, others are not experiencing this break 100%. But that just is my 2 cents. I am done with this topic and yes, I do hope 2k fix this too so that we don't get this break no more.

[Dee4Three]

It's not a break.

It's the game.

It's part of the game.

[TGsoGood]

It's not a break.

It's the game.

It's part of the game.

Hey D43 if "it's not a break" then what is up with the subject of the thread ? I'm just messing around

[Dee4Three]

It's not a break.

It's the game.

It's part of the game.

Hey D43 if "it's not a break" then what is up with the subject of the thread ? I'm just messing around

Haha, well done.

[Dmayne]

this guy suggests if you touch the sliders, even by one point it lowers the difficulty.

https://forums.operationsports.com/foru ... mpact.html

idk if this is whats causing the issues, maybe something to consider?

[Dee4Three]

this guy suggests if you touch the sliders, even by one point it lowers the difficulty.

https://forums.operationsports.com/foru ... mpact.html

idk if this is whats causing the issues, maybe something to consider?

Ive tried it on default difficulty with not touching the sliders (The video I made), and I've tried it with messing with the sliders, and its still just as easy to get by the CPU.

[Dmayne]

@d43 yea, still... if what hes testing is true, sliders become useless.

[Dee4Three]

@d43 yea, still... if what hes testing is true, sliders become useless.

True.

I made a post about this issue a bit ago. It seems like a lot of the sliders are in the game for show.

Although, one thing I know for a fact works on 2K17 was "Go for on ball steal" slider. If left at 50, the CPU would reach in all the time, it would ruin the flow of the game (They would get a lot of fouls as well), but when I turned it down to 10, maybe only 1 or 2 CPU reach ins would happen the entire game, which made the game flow much smoother.

I think some of the sliders in both games work... but many of them are just for show.

[sticky-fingers]

Well, i let the game in demo mode tonight and i cant watch this problem when CPU plays against CPU.

Then, I reactive ACE, move sliders to HOF, load my sliders and got 2 solid games, 2 lost (1 buzzerbeat) with the Bulls 90-91 vs Lakers 90-91
I still could drive to the basket, but the help comes, sometimes double trap, so it was pure joy.

[CarolusXCI]

Unfortunately, it seems that patch 4 isn't going to solve those defensive problems:

https://www.forbes.com/sites/brianmaziq ... cd409628c7

Even worse, according to Beluba on OS forums,

Guys, the patch process has changed for us. Pre-2K17, we used to do fewer patches but those patches contained WAY more changes. Don't look at the total # of patches as a symptom that the game is changing drastically or that it's "more broken" than the old days. We're still providing the same amount of post-release support as we always have, just delivering it in a different way. The game is huge now and there will always be things we can do to improve it.

That being said, you can rest assured that gameplay is going to remain stable this year. We're staying laser focused on addressing true broken functionality, not on things that will shift the user experience in a dramatic way. What you're playing now is basically what you're going to be playing all year long... for better or worse.

[Dee4Three]

The defense is worse this year, I really believe that, so this is very disappointing. It shouldn't have been like this on release day... we shouldn't even have to depend on patches for this.

The for better or for worse comment at the end makes me think that they know of the issue (s), but are keeping things as is to eliminate the overpatching of gameplay that was done last year.

I'm disappointed in 2K18 in general... huge UGH from me.

[sticky-fingers]

you can blame easy drives, but you cant say that for the other parts of the defense.
There's no more the backdoors problems as you could have on 2K16 and 2K17, and it was also a major break.
Same thing for "quaterback passes" that were always present in NBA 2K. No most of the time, it's a loose ball or a turnover.
I rarely complain about my CPU partners in 2K18.

And i really think (and its not placebo effect) that you have to choose HoF, then load your sliders and then touch nothing ingame.
Because with my settings, now, i can rarely drive as easily as you in your video, and the game is very challenging and fun (even if you should make it more "90' ").

[Dee4Three]

Sticky-fingers, its the defense overall. The backdoors still happen, but not as much. In 2K17, the long pass never worked (Or worked like 1 out of 10 or 15 times). Drop stepping is just as easy in the paint, and blowing by the defender has never been easier.

As I stated, OVERALL the defense is worse to me. I stand by that.

I have tried starting with default HOF and loading my slider tweaks, and playing. I still get by my guy easily most every time. I was using Chris Mullin and just running by Kawhi Leonard over and over again. It's not a break, it's not just my game, it's a gameplay issue. Its never been easier to get by the defender to the hoop, whether it be in the half court or on the fastbreak. It's not even fun for me.

And lets not talk about the help defense, which hardly ever comes, I was finishing with Mullin after blowing by Leonard almost every time. That's not fun.

Again, I know this is not the popular thing to say, as many scoffed at NBA 2K17 and some of the recent 2K's and are very heavy in favor of moving on. But I am not going to lie about my feelings about the game, and that video displays my frustration, and that was only about 6-7 minutes of gameplay.

When playing this game, I feel like I am skating around the court, that it's out of control. In NBA 2K17 I could feel my player, feel my move, I felt good when I beat my guy off the dribble or pulled off something special (I want to clarify, that I am talking about PRE Heavily patched 2K17). Even in the post patched version of the game, atleast I had to work for it.

The bottom line is, I am still modding 2K18 (I started last night).. but I much prefer 2K17 pre heavy patch gameplay, and it's by a lot. It's for the reasons I mentioned above. I am glad I put in the work on my rosters over there, because I can still enjoy that while modding 2K18.

[sticky-fingers]

it's not about modding, it's about sliders

If you want to try to play (and appreciate) 2K18, you have to accept to change the sliders and make user'side slower and weakest in major ways.
i garantee that you can have a solid gameplay. You cant drive any time, and if you can drive, help comes often and punish you (i can release my new version if you want to try).
But if you don't want to do that, without a (miracle) patch, you should stay on 2K17.

[TGsoGood]

For you guys who are not experiencing the hip ride animation, it is because you are not continuing to drive I helieve. I noticed that for a breif second it will appear as if the D is going to contest and hold tgeir ground but keep going against them and the defense triggers the hip ride animation. Well atleast that is what I remember from testing over a week ago. I will have to test again.

Its only the elite defenders that I want to hold their defensive position

[Dee4Three]

it's not about modding, it's about sliders

If you want to try to play (and appreciate) 2K18, you have to accept to change the sliders and make user'side slower and weakest in major ways.
i garantee that you can have a solid gameplay. You cant drive any time, and if you can drive, help comes often and punish you (i can release my new version if you want to try).
But if you don't want to do that, without a (miracle) patch, you should stay on 2K17.

I have accepted slider tweaks, I have been trying them, and Ill try yours when you release them.

[Dee4Three]

For you guys who are not experiencing the hip ride animation, it is because you are not continuing to drive I helieve. I noticed that for a breif second it will appear as if the D is going to contest and hold tgeir ground but keep going against them and the defense triggers the hip ride animation. Well atleast that is what I remember from testing over a week ago. I will have to test again.

Its only the elite defenders that I want to hold their defensive position

I believe this is the case as well. People that think they are stopped are shutoff just are not continuing.

And I agree with the second part of this as well, If Leonard had stayed in front of Mullin, I would have been pretty happy.

[sticky-fingers]

I have accepted slider tweaks, I have been trying them, and Ill try yours when you release them.

Well it's on 2KShare :


edit: dont forget to select HoF before loading theses sliders.

[Dee4Three]

Ill try them out tonight, thanks!