My English teacher is the return of Hitler
Wed Feb 05, 2003 4:57 am
My English class has a 20yr old student teacher teaching us untill May and today was her 2nd day and everyone wants to kill her already.
Our old teacher was a disliked old woman but not like this new one. And we all learned a lot in a humerous and relaxed enviroment, she made fun of the kids that talked back and she seemed like a normal person. Our class was ahead of all the other classes but we hardly did any book work.
Now the new one is just bad. She tells everyone to be quiet every 10 seconds and yells at us if we look around. She is Korean so I think she was in a strict childhood enviroment and now wants to punish us for the crap she had to suffer as a child.
She is making us do huge amounts of mindless busy work fit for 6th graders (We are in 11th grade BTW).
And the best part is the "journals". Today's question was "If you could be stuck with anyone in a snowed in house who would it be and why?" Well I put that I would like to be stuck with the owner of the worlds largest snow plow so he could get us out. Another option, I felt, was a radioactive monkey that melted the snow with his presence, so I wouldn't mind being stuck with it.
This woman was in highscool 3-4 yrs ago and she knows what it was like so she decides to be one of those teachers everyone hates. WHY?
I Hate HER
Our old teacher was a disliked old woman but not like this new one. And we all learned a lot in a humerous and relaxed enviroment, she made fun of the kids that talked back and she seemed like a normal person. Our class was ahead of all the other classes but we hardly did any book work.
Now the new one is just bad. She tells everyone to be quiet every 10 seconds and yells at us if we look around. She is Korean so I think she was in a strict childhood enviroment and now wants to punish us for the crap she had to suffer as a child.
She is making us do huge amounts of mindless busy work fit for 6th graders (We are in 11th grade BTW).
And the best part is the "journals". Today's question was "If you could be stuck with anyone in a snowed in house who would it be and why?" Well I put that I would like to be stuck with the owner of the worlds largest snow plow so he could get us out. Another option, I felt, was a radioactive monkey that melted the snow with his presence, so I wouldn't mind being stuck with it.
This woman was in highscool 3-4 yrs ago and she knows what it was like so she decides to be one of those teachers everyone hates. WHY?
I Hate HER
Wed Feb 05, 2003 6:27 am
Because she was in high school 3 or 4 years ago. She doesnt know any better. It not easy controling a room full of 20+ people... especially high schoolers. She's doing what made HER be quiet while she was in school...
BTW, is she hot?
P.s. ...Mr. Plow...
BTW, is she hot?
P.s. ...Mr. Plow...
Wed Feb 05, 2003 7:23 am
Dert wrote:BTW, is she hot?
haha I was actually thinking that while reading the original post
I think she just needs easier children.. either younger (have more respect for the teacher) or older (pretend to have more respect).
Wed Feb 05, 2003 7:25 am
Good question Dert, is she?
Wed Feb 05, 2003 7:33 am
No man she is fucking ugly and has no sense of humor to go with it.
Wed Feb 05, 2003 8:11 am
Kill her...
Wed Feb 05, 2003 9:03 am
Now if he does, he can blame it on you...
Wed Feb 05, 2003 10:37 am
Sigh...
All student-teachers get in over their heads, they plan too much and assume kids will love what they are doing...
One problem may be that you're expecting it to be an easy class, but considering you're in the 11th grade you should be being prepped for college you shouldn't be doing eaiser things than the "busy" work of 6th grade that you seem to be expecting...
Most English teachers do these "journal" things, it's to get you to better express your ideas while also improving your writing skills (and considering most of the people on here...), of course, you could call it useless, but you could also view it as a chance to better your weak kung-fu...
Regardless, as I said most student teachers will start as these "Hitler" types you wrongly call them (she's not killing Jews, handicaps, and invading Poland...I assume you'd mention such a thing
) but then they will get older, realize they don't want to have to grade all that stuff, do all that work and they will either get eaiser or get a teachers assistant...
You just got the unluck of the draw...get over it..."life isn't fair"...
All student-teachers get in over their heads, they plan too much and assume kids will love what they are doing...
One problem may be that you're expecting it to be an easy class, but considering you're in the 11th grade you should be being prepped for college you shouldn't be doing eaiser things than the "busy" work of 6th grade that you seem to be expecting...
Most English teachers do these "journal" things, it's to get you to better express your ideas while also improving your writing skills (and considering most of the people on here...), of course, you could call it useless, but you could also view it as a chance to better your weak kung-fu...
Regardless, as I said most student teachers will start as these "Hitler" types you wrongly call them (she's not killing Jews, handicaps, and invading Poland...I assume you'd mention such a thing
) but then they will get older, realize they don't want to have to grade all that stuff, do all that work and they will either get eaiser or get a teachers assistant...
You just got the unluck of the draw...get over it..."life isn't fair"...
Wed Feb 05, 2003 11:18 am
I'm gonna agree with Ben on this one...
Being a teacher is one of the most difficult professions -- right up there with basketball coaches. However, the teacher doesn't get the deserved respect or pay. Most teachers starting out need two or three jobs just to make ends meet.
I don't know if any of you have been camp counselors or been in charge of a large group of kids, but keeping any number of kids in line is quite a challenge. Especially 11th graders who are mostly in their rebellious stage anyway.
Imagine how intimidated she must be... (I'm going to pull a Hubie Brown here)
You're a 20 year-old English teacher, in the middle of getting a teachers degree, everything you do is noted by the real teacher, you have to maintain order in a classroom full of distracted 16 year olds, at the same time, sticking to the lesson plan that all you want to do with is throw it out the window. And, in the end you know you're still not going to make nearly as much money as you need to even if you do get the job.
Being a student teacher, she probably has to go to another job afterwards. Can you imagine the pressure that she must deal with? Besides, she couldn't get creative or lax even if she wanted to because she needs to make a good impression with whoever's watching her.
I think being Korean has very little to do with her teaching style. Yes, Korean children grow up in a more strict environment, but if nothing else, they learn to respect others, be responsible, and hardworking than those that grow up in a more relaxed environment (I don't really care what you say, if you meet somebody who's disrespectful, it has something to do with the parent of the said person). If it has anything to do with her teaching style, it'll make her be a little more strict, not to the degree you describe it.
I guess what I'm trying to say is being a teacher is difficult, but being a new teacher, inexperienced, young, insert your adjective, it nearly impossible to manage.
So, instead of bashing on her here or giving her a dirty look or making life difficult for her, maybe you could be a little more understanding and considerate?
Or I could be completely wrong, and she could be a total bitch.
Being a teacher is one of the most difficult professions -- right up there with basketball coaches. However, the teacher doesn't get the deserved respect or pay. Most teachers starting out need two or three jobs just to make ends meet.
I don't know if any of you have been camp counselors or been in charge of a large group of kids, but keeping any number of kids in line is quite a challenge. Especially 11th graders who are mostly in their rebellious stage anyway.
Imagine how intimidated she must be... (I'm going to pull a Hubie Brown here)
You're a 20 year-old English teacher, in the middle of getting a teachers degree, everything you do is noted by the real teacher, you have to maintain order in a classroom full of distracted 16 year olds, at the same time, sticking to the lesson plan that all you want to do with is throw it out the window. And, in the end you know you're still not going to make nearly as much money as you need to even if you do get the job.
Being a student teacher, she probably has to go to another job afterwards. Can you imagine the pressure that she must deal with? Besides, she couldn't get creative or lax even if she wanted to because she needs to make a good impression with whoever's watching her.
I think being Korean has very little to do with her teaching style. Yes, Korean children grow up in a more strict environment, but if nothing else, they learn to respect others, be responsible, and hardworking than those that grow up in a more relaxed environment (I don't really care what you say, if you meet somebody who's disrespectful, it has something to do with the parent of the said person). If it has anything to do with her teaching style, it'll make her be a little more strict, not to the degree you describe it.
I guess what I'm trying to say is being a teacher is difficult, but being a new teacher, inexperienced, young, insert your adjective, it nearly impossible to manage.
So, instead of bashing on her here or giving her a dirty look or making life difficult for her, maybe you could be a little more understanding and considerate?
Or I could be completely wrong, and she could be a total bitch.
Wed Feb 05, 2003 11:32 am
Ben
I'm not expecting an easy class, this is the 2nd hardest in the school as viewed by most students, the hardest being Advanced Math which I have to take next year and nobody gets even a B in.
Believe me I have had my troubles in this class in the beginning but managed to compose myself and bring my grade to a respectable B+ as others were getting test scores in the teens.
I have had 2 student teachers last year (Bio and German) and 1 the year before (English) I liked all of them and all managed to keep the flow of the class going.
That German guy is now our German teacher because the old one retired and he has tuned into such an ass and has the weirdest grading system (I missed 2 homework assignments, which were a few lines long, last semester and my grade was an 82 when my lowest grade on a test or quiz was an 84 and the rest were As. He also proceeded to make half the midterm geography with the state and capitals of Germany, then forgot to mention this was going to be on the midterm. He spent weeks talking about his time in Germany and the lifestyle and didn't use any of that stuff on the midterm. The result was 5 passing grades, one was mine with a 66.
Anyway back on point, I feel the new teacher is not giving us enough room. We are all juniors in a Level 3 class and I think every one of us in the class is heading for college.
The last time I remember teachers treating students like this was middle school. She is just causing rebellion by suppressing us because although we are a good class there are more than a handful of people there that will just break her spirit after a week or two.
The same thing happened with my German teacher, this year he took over and so much changed from the old class. Well after a few weeks the students were not happy with the way he was handling things and by the end of the 1st month things changed to the way they were before, but I suspect he implemented that grading system to get back at us (The weirdest thing is that the kid that can't pronounce 5 German words let alone make a sentence but he has the highest grade and the only A).
I guess the Hitler comparison is not a good one, but how about a dictator that stifles all activity.
Eugene
I've had hard teachers before and student ones, believe me she is not intimidated (not yet at least, we haven't done anything yet). And believe me she is not that had but she is a total bitch.
And nobody is watching now, they have people observe a couple of times at the end so there is no pressure now.
I know being a teacher is hard but she could have had a lot worse, like seniors who won't do jack (Can't wait for next year ).
I think its the way she is handling things. One of my US History classes has a new student teacher and she is way harder from the old one from what I hear but the students really like her.
Whatever I just know I don't like the class now and it's not cause it's too hard because in the beginning of the year we were off way worse. I just think she is pushing her stuff too hard and it's just going to lead to bad things.
I'm not expecting an easy class, this is the 2nd hardest in the school as viewed by most students, the hardest being Advanced Math which I have to take next year and nobody gets even a B in.
Believe me I have had my troubles in this class in the beginning but managed to compose myself and bring my grade to a respectable B+ as others were getting test scores in the teens.
I have had 2 student teachers last year (Bio and German) and 1 the year before (English) I liked all of them and all managed to keep the flow of the class going.
That German guy is now our German teacher because the old one retired and he has tuned into such an ass and has the weirdest grading system (I missed 2 homework assignments, which were a few lines long, last semester and my grade was an 82 when my lowest grade on a test or quiz was an 84 and the rest were As. He also proceeded to make half the midterm geography with the state and capitals of Germany, then forgot to mention this was going to be on the midterm. He spent weeks talking about his time in Germany and the lifestyle and didn't use any of that stuff on the midterm. The result was 5 passing grades, one was mine with a 66.
Anyway back on point, I feel the new teacher is not giving us enough room. We are all juniors in a Level 3 class and I think every one of us in the class is heading for college.
The last time I remember teachers treating students like this was middle school. She is just causing rebellion by suppressing us because although we are a good class there are more than a handful of people there that will just break her spirit after a week or two.
The same thing happened with my German teacher, this year he took over and so much changed from the old class. Well after a few weeks the students were not happy with the way he was handling things and by the end of the 1st month things changed to the way they were before, but I suspect he implemented that grading system to get back at us (The weirdest thing is that the kid that can't pronounce 5 German words let alone make a sentence but he has the highest grade and the only A).
I guess the Hitler comparison is not a good one, but how about a dictator that stifles all activity.
Eugene
I've had hard teachers before and student ones, believe me she is not intimidated (not yet at least, we haven't done anything yet). And believe me she is not that had but she is a total bitch.
And nobody is watching now, they have people observe a couple of times at the end so there is no pressure now.
I know being a teacher is hard but she could have had a lot worse, like seniors who won't do jack (Can't wait for next year
).
I think its the way she is handling things. One of my US History classes has a new student teacher and she is way harder from the old one from what I hear but the students really like her.
Whatever I just know I don't like the class now and it's not cause it's too hard because in the beginning of the year we were off way worse. I just think she is pushing her stuff too hard and it's just going to lead to bad things.
Wed Feb 05, 2003 12:31 pm
Well, I admit, I made some assumptions, but I did say I could be wrong.
I was hoping only to provide a different perspective because a lot of kids in school simply don't realize just how much effort it takes to be a teacher. Clearly, that's not the case here (I'll take your word as it is, since you've given me no reason to believe otherwise), and she could be dealing with the pressure poorly. And believe me, whether or not she is being watched, there are pressures (grades, overall class behavior, et al.).
I guess she could be and should be dealing with the pressures more professionally, and with more patience, but some people just aren't made to be teachers. There's the old saying, those who can't do, teach. Give me a break. Oftentimes, those who can do, can't teach. It's just not in them. It is an incredible skill to impart knowledge and make an impact in the students. Skill most people don't have.
It appears that the student teacher that you got stuck with is not cut out to be a teacher. While I hope things work out best for the teacher and you, DK, the best I can say right now is, just hang in there. If it does get really bad -- I mean, really, really bad -- you can sit down and have a talk with the teacher (respectfully), and state your views and the views of your classmates. If that doesn't work you can write a formal petition and have the rest of the kids sign it and bring it to the head of the English Department. I strongly recommend, however, that you talk to the student teacher before you do anything that drastic, as it will have a great impact on the career of the said teacher.
Again, hang in there, and I hope all things work out best.
Eugene[/i]
I was hoping only to provide a different perspective because a lot of kids in school simply don't realize just how much effort it takes to be a teacher. Clearly, that's not the case here (I'll take your word as it is, since you've given me no reason to believe otherwise), and she could be dealing with the pressure poorly. And believe me, whether or not she is being watched, there are pressures (grades, overall class behavior, et al.).
I guess she could be and should be dealing with the pressures more professionally, and with more patience, but some people just aren't made to be teachers. There's the old saying, those who can't do, teach. Give me a break. Oftentimes, those who can do, can't teach. It's just not in them. It is an incredible skill to impart knowledge and make an impact in the students. Skill most people don't have.
It appears that the student teacher that you got stuck with is not cut out to be a teacher. While I hope things work out best for the teacher and you, DK, the best I can say right now is, just hang in there. If it does get really bad -- I mean, really, really bad -- you can sit down and have a talk with the teacher (respectfully), and state your views and the views of your classmates. If that doesn't work you can write a formal petition and have the rest of the kids sign it and bring it to the head of the English Department. I strongly recommend, however, that you talk to the student teacher before you do anything that drastic, as it will have a great impact on the career of the said teacher.
Again, hang in there, and I hope all things work out best.
Eugene[/i]
Wed Feb 05, 2003 2:09 pm
DK,
I'm an English education major, and I know for a fact that this young teacher has tons of pressure on her; she wants to keep her job, and in order to do so she has to meet every single state and school requirement. Teachers with tenure are allowed more leeway and can fudge on stuff, saying 'oh, this fulfills the technology requirement' when it barely has anything to do with technology. With that being said, the teacher has to be deliberate about everything so she can make a good impression and get a positive review from her bosses for her job.
Most likely she's nervous; right now, I'm working on a unit shell with 15 pieces of literature that all fit together with a theme, and when completed, I have to teach it to a bunch of seventh graders. I'm nervous as hell, and this isn't even my student teaching. I like to think I'm that 'cool' teacher that all the kids like and the girls think is hot, though...
Anyway, just give her a bit of time, maybe she'll figure out what you guys like to do. Also, what kind of class is it and what's her reason for having you do the journals? If it's a creative writing class, I can see the use of journals as a way to help your creative writing. If it's just an excuse for her to grade papers, it isn't worth it, but if there's a legitimate reason for it, then I'm all for it. Writing in journals helps quite a bit...if it's done for the right reason. Just politely ask her after class what the motive for doing the journals and busy work is and see what she says.
Just wondering, but where did she get her degree from? That would explain a lot...and also, what state is your school in? That would also explain a lot...
Cheers,
Shane
I'm an English education major, and I know for a fact that this young teacher has tons of pressure on her; she wants to keep her job, and in order to do so she has to meet every single state and school requirement. Teachers with tenure are allowed more leeway and can fudge on stuff, saying 'oh, this fulfills the technology requirement' when it barely has anything to do with technology. With that being said, the teacher has to be deliberate about everything so she can make a good impression and get a positive review from her bosses for her job.
Most likely she's nervous; right now, I'm working on a unit shell with 15 pieces of literature that all fit together with a theme, and when completed, I have to teach it to a bunch of seventh graders. I'm nervous as hell, and this isn't even my student teaching. I like to think I'm that 'cool' teacher that all the kids like and the girls think is hot, though...
Anyway, just give her a bit of time, maybe she'll figure out what you guys like to do. Also, what kind of class is it and what's her reason for having you do the journals? If it's a creative writing class, I can see the use of journals as a way to help your creative writing. If it's just an excuse for her to grade papers, it isn't worth it, but if there's a legitimate reason for it, then I'm all for it. Writing in journals helps quite a bit...if it's done for the right reason. Just politely ask her after class what the motive for doing the journals and busy work is and see what she says.
Just wondering, but where did she get her degree from? That would explain a lot...and also, what state is your school in? That would also explain a lot...
Cheers,
Shane
Wed Feb 05, 2003 4:59 pm
Maybe she just doesn't have that teaching passion that some teachers have...and she just gives you that pointless take-up-time work bullshit so that it's 'something' and leaves the day with some more moochie...
But that's probably wrong, seeing as that she's young, and probably not sick of her job yet...or maybe not...who knows...we dont...we dont go to your school...we dont know the teacher...
I say shes probably got a chip on her shoulder.
Bitch.
p.s.
That guy is one ugly mofo 
I wonder if that's Ben...
But that's probably wrong, seeing as that she's young, and probably not sick of her job yet...or maybe not...who knows...we dont...we dont go to your school...we dont know the teacher...
I say shes probably got a chip on her shoulder.
Bitch.
p.s.
That guy is one ugly mofo I wonder if that's Ben...
Wed Feb 05, 2003 5:00 pm
all she needs is some thug lovin...if she's ugly i'll put a bag over her head. She'll be in class the next day happy as a humping hippo. 
Wed Feb 05, 2003 7:44 pm
Yohance Bailey wrote:all she needs is some thug lovin...if she's ugly i'll put a bag over her head. She'll be in class the next day happy as a humping hippo.
Thu Feb 06, 2003 2:49 am
Nick wrote:
p.s.
I wonder if that's Ben...
That's Ben Bailey
Thu Feb 06, 2003 3:05 am
Pffftt.... who cares about that... Whats up with this?
Thu Feb 06, 2003 4:16 am
9mm wrote:Yohance Bailey wrote:all she needs is some thug lovin...if she's ugly i'll put a bag over her head. She'll be in class the next day happy as a humping hippo.
Why the chef gif?
Thu Feb 06, 2003 6:42 am
After reading your post the first association I had in my head was Southpark for some strange reason...
Thu Feb 06, 2003 7:03 am
My god...
First, Barnsey and some of the rest of you here calling this poor gal a "bitch" and such (in direct violations of guidelines...again) and only one of us has even met her...
DK is taking hard classes, and then complaining because there is lots of work and strict teachers...then talking about open rebellion against a teacher because they don't like her...what are you going to do? put a scab in her pepsi?
So there is no pressure and she doesn't feel intimidated by the packs of teenagers that hate her...
Eugene is going to an extreme and talking about a formal petition...there are teachers you will like and there are teachers you will not like...just like any person...if you can't handle it, get out of the class or get over it...
Thug yapping about a sexual excursion...
Then to top it off...a porn avatar...
giddyup...
First, Barnsey and some of the rest of you here calling this poor gal a "bitch" and such (in direct violations of guidelines...again) and only one of us has even met her...
DK is taking hard classes, and then complaining because there is lots of work and strict teachers...then talking about open rebellion against a teacher because they don't like her...what are you going to do? put a scab in her pepsi?
I've had hard teachers before and student ones, believe me she is not intimidated (not yet at least, we haven't done anything yet). And believe me she is not that had but she is a total bitch.
And nobody is watching now, they have people observe a couple of times at the end so there is no pressure now.
So there is no pressure and she doesn't feel intimidated by the packs of teenagers that hate her...
Eugene is going to an extreme and talking about a formal petition...there are teachers you will like and there are teachers you will not like...just like any person...if you can't handle it, get out of the class or get over it...
Thug yapping about a sexual excursion...
Then to top it off...a porn avatar...
giddyup...
Thu Feb 06, 2003 7:34 am
Well, I never said that a formal petition should anything but the very last resort. Again, speaking to the teacher one-on-one maybe a less drastic but still effective route.
If it's the whole class that despises the teacher, then it becomes the responsibility of the students to let the administration know that the said teacher is ineffective. Otherwise, that teacher will just cause more grief among other students and take up space that could be filled by a more suitable teacher.
All I offer is advice. It's DK's responsibility to make sound judgments based on he and his classmates perspectives. I admit, a formal petition is quite extreme, but then again, if things go so badly, it may be the only appropriate course of action. It's up to DK to decide if he wants to take that course of action.
All the best,
Eugene
If it's the whole class that despises the teacher, then it becomes the responsibility of the students to let the administration know that the said teacher is ineffective. Otherwise, that teacher will just cause more grief among other students and take up space that could be filled by a more suitable teacher.
All I offer is advice. It's DK's responsibility to make sound judgments based on he and his classmates perspectives. I admit, a formal petition is quite extreme, but then again, if things go so badly, it may be the only appropriate course of action. It's up to DK to decide if he wants to take that course of action.
All the best,
Eugene
Thu Feb 06, 2003 7:46 am
Waaaaa, she's making us do work in school, waaaaa she's trying to influence our futures, waaaaaa she's not hot, waaaaa she's not letting us get away with what we want. Fuck me, I got kicked out of school but I still recognized teachers are there to teach, not act as babysitters
Thu Feb 06, 2003 12:05 pm
There is a difference beteween productive work and mindless worksheets.
I think it's best we just stop this discussion since as Ben said only I have interacted with her and the rest of you might be accusing her unfairly.
I think it's best we just stop this discussion since as Ben said only I have interacted with her and the rest of you might be accusing her unfairly.
Fri Feb 07, 2003 8:39 am
And there's a difference between teaching what you know to kids who are 1/2 willing to listen, and teaching what you know to a bunch of racist neo-nazi dickheads who wouldn't know a decent education if it belted you with it's Korean hand.
Fri Feb 07, 2003 11:58 am
JHova wrote:And there's a difference between teaching what you know to kids who are 1/2 willing to listen, and teaching what you know to a bunch of racist neo-nazi dickheads who wouldn't know a decent education if it belted you with it's Korean hand.
Who is jumping to unfair slanderous comments now?