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Re: Professional Wrestling (WWE, TNA, ROH, etc)

Postby [Q] on Sat Aug 18, 2018 3:36 am

I want Velveteen Dream to win, but he won't. He's been taking a lot of Ls and has proven that he still gets over when he loses matches.

Tired of Undisputed Era, but they'll continue to win. Luckily, I think Cole will drop his belt to ricochet who they seem to be pushing hard.

I hope Kairi wins because Shayna really isn't that interesting

Ciampa wins to defend against Black and continue whatever they were setting up before Black's injury

Finn should totally win, but he won't. They like to hype him as the first universal champion but they don't book him like it.

Rusev should win as they finally set him up as the face and they've been taking a lot of losses in the build up. Hopefully they reunite with English but they've been trying to split them for a while so it'll probably be a heel turn for English

Please, no more Bludgeons.

Orton will interrupt the match during the finish and give the writers a way to write Hardy out for injuries

Braun will win and probably cash tonight. It's either that or he loses but he still gets the title shot anyways and wins. If Reigns wins, Heyman joins him and they are the new top Babyface act on Raw

Becky totally deserves the win and honestly they've been building to it very well, but as Daniel Bryan noted their long term storytelling sucks so they'll probably have Charlotte or Carmella win.

Whoever loses the IC title match will have their friend turn on them. Ambrose or McIntyre.

AJ wins. He's not losing for a long time.
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Re: Professional Wrestling (WWE, TNA, ROH, etc)

Postby Andrew on Sat Aug 18, 2018 10:37 am

I wonder if they'll have AJ eclipse Punk's reign with the belt. It wouldn't surprise me, and I think he's certainly worthy of having that opportunity.
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Re: Professional Wrestling (WWE, TNA, ROH, etc)

Postby Lean on Sun Aug 19, 2018 12:15 pm

Good god, what a Takeover. I think not as strong as New Orleans was, but definitely better than Chicago II.

Spots of the night for me are the low superkick from Cole to the neck of a mid-air Ricochet off a springboard moonsault and a running hurricanrana over the top rope from Ricochet to Adam Cole who's on the outside standing on the apron.

Was surprised they went on with Kairi but I guess that sets up the rumored WWE vs UFC Four Horsewomen match come Survivor Series.

I like the ending of the main event because it's great storytelling. Gargano going down to Ciampa levels of dickery didn't win him the title, thus his road to redemption begins. I don't see Gargano going for the title in a long while, and Ciampa will probably feud with Aleister Black when the latter returns but I see one more Gargano-Ciampa match come Wrestlemania weekend, with Gargano finally winning the championship this time and ending their feud.
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Re: Professional Wrestling (WWE, TNA, ROH, etc)

Postby Lean on Mon Aug 20, 2018 10:04 am

Owens got absolutely squashed there. :shake:
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Re: Professional Wrestling (WWE, TNA, ROH, etc)

Postby Andrew on Mon Aug 20, 2018 10:08 am

Hopefully it's in aid of pulling the trigger on a big push for Braun. I am glad they didn't have him lose the MITB contract; they've already missed a couple of opportunities with him.
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Re: Professional Wrestling (WWE, TNA, ROH, etc)

Postby Andrew on Mon Aug 20, 2018 10:33 am

Charlotte Reigns goes over, which isn't a huge surprise. Hilarious how it was clearly supposed to facilitate a heel turn for Becky, but the crowd was completely behind her when she attacked Charlotte. No doubt that will be ignored and they'll keep trying to force her as a heel, then kill her push because she isn't getting over as one.
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Re: Professional Wrestling (WWE, TNA, ROH, etc)

Postby Lean on Mon Aug 20, 2018 10:34 am

Meanwhile, Charlotte wins again after hitting Natural Selection on Becky Lynch. Becky turns on Charlotte, with the crowd cheering on. I think the turn is also well put out in storyline.

And damn it, the WWE Championship being put in the middle of the card. AJ really won't main event a PPV as long as he's on Smackdown or feuding with Reigns. :shake:
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Re: Professional Wrestling (WWE, TNA, ROH, etc)

Postby Andrew on Mon Aug 20, 2018 10:37 am

The angle with Becky and Charlotte is fine, but they've got the heel and face backwards, judging by the crowd reactions. If Lesnar/Reigns is main eventing, then one way or another, the title better be coming off Lesnar.
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Re: Professional Wrestling (WWE, TNA, ROH, etc)

Postby Lean on Mon Aug 20, 2018 10:43 am

Yeah would've been better if Charlotte gloated instead, leading to Becky beating her up to add justification in the post-match altercation.

Funny how the WWE title match goes first before the Corbin-Bálor match.
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Re: Professional Wrestling (WWE, TNA, ROH, etc)

Postby Andrew on Mon Aug 20, 2018 10:54 am

I suppose they do need cooldown matches, and with two world titles, it makes sense to spread them out a bit on the card.
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Re: Professional Wrestling (WWE, TNA, ROH, etc)

Postby Andrew on Mon Aug 20, 2018 11:10 am

Good use of a DQ/non-finish there to keep the belt on Styles but get heat on Joe and not have him go under.
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Re: Professional Wrestling (WWE, TNA, ROH, etc)

Postby Lean on Mon Aug 20, 2018 11:28 am

Agreed, their next match should definitely be inside Hell in a Cell.
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Re: Professional Wrestling (WWE, TNA, ROH, etc)

Postby Andrew on Mon Aug 20, 2018 11:52 am

Great match, thought I felt Bryan should've gone over. Obviously they're going to milk the feud a little longer, hopefully it doesn't get stale.
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Re: Professional Wrestling (WWE, TNA, ROH, etc)

Postby Andrew on Mon Aug 20, 2018 1:05 pm

Well, they finally got the belt off Lesnar, for better or worse. It would've been nice if it was finally a proper competitive match, so that Lesnar could finally repay the favours everyone else has done for him. Guess this was the best we were going to get.
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Re: Professional Wrestling (WWE, TNA, ROH, etc)

Postby Lean on Mon Aug 20, 2018 1:50 pm

Andrew wrote:Great match, thought I felt Bryan should've gone over. Obviously they're going to milk the feud a little longer, hopefully it doesn't get stale.


This could also mean that Bryan would re-sign with WWE.

Andrew wrote:Well, they finally got the belt off Lesnar, for better or worse. It would've been nice if it was finally a proper competitive match, so that Lesnar could finally repay the favours everyone else has done for him. Guess this was the best we were going to get.


I think this has something to do with time constraints, which is surprising with how short some of the matches were.

I liked how the Bellas were booed when they were in the ring, and how Cole said they were the trailblazers of this whole women's wrestling in WWE. Now I hope Ronda gets to show up on weekly TV.
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Re: Professional Wrestling (WWE, TNA, ROH, etc)

Postby Andrew on Mon Aug 20, 2018 6:39 pm

Hopefully it's a sign that he's re-signing, and not being jobbed out.
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Re: Professional Wrestling (WWE, TNA, ROH, etc)

Postby bigh0rt on Mon Aug 20, 2018 10:52 pm

Everything I've read indicated that Bryan will be re-signing with the WWE, which I hope is true. Overall I thought SummerSlam was a good show, highlighted by the Rollins/Ziggler match, obviously. But Miz/Bryan, the SmackDown Live Women's Championship match, Hardy/Nakamura all entertained as well. The squash matches, albeit strange, were almost necessary for Balor and Ronda (though I'm never a fan of having your champion be visibly afraid of their opponent, as Bliss was, when they aren't a sniveling type heel or the opponent isn't some monster like Braun). I don't really understand what is going on with Kevin Owens right now; it feels like Braun has just been beating the dogshit out of him for months with not much else substantiating. I'm glad to have Brock out of the picture, hopefully entirely, and certainly it will be nice to see the Universal Title on television more often. I'm really hoping that RAW can take big steps forward as it's been so so bad for months now.
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Re: Professional Wrestling (WWE, TNA, ROH, etc)

Postby Lean on Tue Aug 21, 2018 1:24 am

Balor coming out in the demon gimmick was a nice surprise, although it's also funny that the entrance itself is longer than the actual match (putting on that paint was probably longer than the entrance and the actual match combined).

Part of me was surprised that there were no shenanigans in the Rousey/Bliss match.
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Re: Professional Wrestling (WWE, TNA, ROH, etc)

Postby [Q] on Tue Aug 21, 2018 3:47 am

Man, they must have run out of time to have 3 squash matches towards the end of the show. Unless that was their plan all along.

The fans still cheering Becky beating down Charlotte is basically all of us tired of the same shit they keep writing.

At least the belt is now on a regular performer, I almost forgot what it looked like.

I thoroughly enjoyed the AJ and Joe match. Who would have thought ten years ago that those two would fight for the WWE championship at SummerSlam? Lol

NXT matches were way better as usual
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Re: Professional Wrestling (WWE, TNA, ROH, etc)

Postby bigh0rt on Tue Aug 21, 2018 7:17 am

The card had a crazy amount of matches scheduled so I think the squashes were largely planned beforehand.

The Becky getting cheered was a bit annoying for me, to be honest. I mean I agree that Charlotte is a better heel, but really Becky hasn't been super over or particularly interesting in some time, and I don't mind them turning her and seeing what kind of heat and interest she can garner as a heel (if any). What she did to Charlotte after the match was a bonafide heel move, and she deserved to be booed for it (Brooklyn I think is generally a pretty smarky crowd, and had it been in a different venue, the reaction may have been substantially different).

AJ and Joe was good, and as unsatisfying as the finish may have been, I don't mind it in order to set up a bigger blow off match (same goes for Miz vs. Bryan, where I actually didn't mind the finish at all to, though).

Who challenges Reigns for the title? I feel like there is a glut of faces near the top of the RAW roster. I'm afraid we're going to see someone like Jinder again. It's tough to send someone like Owens into the picture after he's had his ass handed to him for the better part of two or three months. Braun seems like a logical choice, but that doesn't help Reigns get over as a face at all (at this point, not much will). Maybe Ziggler/McIntyre?

I'm much more interested in the Intercontinental Title picture, where I'd love to see Rollins battle it out with a heel Bobby Roode, Elias, etc.
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Re: Professional Wrestling (WWE, TNA, ROH, etc)

Postby Andrew on Tue Aug 21, 2018 11:13 am

I was fine with Bliss being afraid as she is pretty much a cowardly heel who talks a lot of smack and acts tough when she takes cheap shots, then runs when she's confronted. She's pretty much a classic heel in that she's portrayed as being a very capable wrestler who would do just fine if she played by the rules and relied on her skill, but sadly resorts to villainous tactics instead.

Brooklyn being a smarky crowd definitely doesn't help, but I think the buildup has been all wrong, to the point where Charlotte looks like the heel. After all, she's had all these title reigns and opportunities, but then when someone else gets a shot at the title, she pushes her way into the match instead of waiting her turn. It comes off as her betraying and using Becky first, so Becky snapping and retaliating feels justified. I guess it remains to be seen and they'll probably have Becky go full on heel to force the angle the way they want, but I think they should ride these crowd reactions. That is WWE's problem, though. Even when it's clear how the crowd feels about a character and the story as it's told, they'll try to push through it. There's having shades of grey to stories and characters, and then there's positioning the wrong characters as the protagonist and antagonist (see: Reigns, Roman).

I'm glad that Owens didn't get the MITB contract and interrupt Braun's potential push that they do need to pull the trigger on sooner rather than later - he's still over and greatly improved, so they need to capitalise on that - but yeah, KO is a bit lost right now. I think they need to move him away from Braun and build him up to be a heel challenger in the world title picture. Not necessarily ending up as the champion anytime soon, but just a viable name to be in the main event.
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Re: Professional Wrestling (WWE, TNA, ROH, etc)

Postby Andrew on Tue Aug 21, 2018 2:55 pm

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So, The Shield are back, but are they faces or heels? Seems the crowd wasn't entirely sure how to feel.
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Re: Professional Wrestling (WWE, TNA, ROH, etc)

Postby Lean on Wed Aug 22, 2018 3:12 am

I'd rather have them heel, because that is definitely a heel move. Makes Roman look like very incompetent too: he would've lost the title match on Summerslam if weren't for the distraction from Braun, and he would have been cashed-on by Braun if weren't for the Shield, and then a 3-on-1 assault and a Triple Powerbomb onto the table.

Andrew wrote:I guess it remains to be seen and they'll probably have Becky go full on heel to force the angle the way they want, but I think they should ride these crowd reactions.


I heard Kevin Dunn is not a fan of Becky's face and accent. :shake:
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Re: Professional Wrestling (WWE, TNA, ROH, etc)

Postby [Q] on Wed Aug 22, 2018 3:17 am

Yeah it's pretty obvious they obsess over the blondes judging by their booking over the last two years. These guys think they know everything. They just ignore all the people cheering for her every week, and even for Rusev Day they just kept ignoring what was going on and thought they knew best.

Reuniting the shield is a desperate move to try to get people to cheer Roman. Just like when they had him challenge Finn Balor for the title
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Re: Professional Wrestling (WWE, TNA, ROH, etc)

Postby Lean on Wed Aug 22, 2018 3:20 am

And then they decide to give Rusev a title shot months after the whole Rusev Day thing exploded.

With the Shield, the best way is to have them heel given their assault on Braun. But I look at this as a 6-man feud, Shield vs Braun/Drew/Dolph, which sounds like your average Raw feud.
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Postby [Q] on Wed Aug 22, 2018 4:47 am

We about to have a tag match, playa

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Re: Professional Wrestling (WWE, TNA, ROH, etc)

Postby Andrew on Wed Aug 22, 2018 10:25 am

As much as there's been a revolution/evolution with the women's division, the more things change, the more they stay the same. Of course, Ronda Rousey shakes things up a little bit, though I'm not pleased to see Stephanie back in the mix. It's getting tiresome watching her emasculate her GM, and now we have a heel authority figure on RAW again. It's been 20 years, that storyline is played out. It's one of those areas where Smackdown is a lot better, moving away from the heel GM/commissioner shtick.
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Re: Professional Wrestling (WWE, TNA, ROH, etc)

Postby [Q] on Thu Aug 23, 2018 5:42 am

I really hope Becky's attempts to be a heel fail and people will cheer for her like they cheered the initial heel Stone Cold, and how they cheered heel Punk after the pipe bomb, forcing them to turn her

Most of her promo got cheered, especially when it came to Charlotte. It did get quiet when she turned it on the fans, though so we'll see how they proceed from here. Would be really cool and unexpected if they reversed course and did a double turn from here
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Re: Professional Wrestling (WWE, TNA, ROH, etc)

Postby Andrew on Thu Aug 23, 2018 11:24 am

Her turning on the fans definitely smacks of a desperate attempt to portray her as the heel, but the general reaction to the rest of the promo speaks volumes. A double turn would be great as she really does come off as the wronged babyface in the angle, and I think Charlotte is more of a natural heel anyway.
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Re: Professional Wrestling (WWE, TNA, ROH, etc)

Postby Andrew on Mon Aug 27, 2018 1:05 pm

Perfect.
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Re: Professional Wrestling (WWE, TNA, ROH, etc)

Postby Lean on Tue Aug 28, 2018 1:58 pm

...aaaand I think they ended up turning Braun heel, anyway.
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Re: Professional Wrestling (WWE, TNA, ROH, etc)

Postby Andrew on Tue Aug 28, 2018 2:08 pm

Finger on the pulse.
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Re: Professional Wrestling (WWE, TNA, ROH, etc)

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I mean, it's better than the commentary in WWE is at times, so...
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Re: Professional Wrestling (WWE, TNA, ROH, etc)

Postby [Q] on Wed Aug 29, 2018 1:39 am

The hardest job in the company must be the guy hired to drown out the boos for Roman Reigns
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Re: Professional Wrestling (WWE, TNA, ROH, etc)

Postby Lean on Wed Aug 29, 2018 3:57 am

Just watched Becky's segment from last week's Smackdown. The promo's pretty good, and I think it would have been better if the roles were reversed.

So yeah, Becky and Braun are both heels even though the crowd are truly behind them and their rivals are being booed despite being the faces.

Anyway, Becky should lose the orange hair dye and the punk entrance music. Also, that brawl during Becky's segment showed the imbalanced number between faces and heels.
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Re: Professional Wrestling (WWE, TNA, ROH, etc)

Postby [Q] on Wed Aug 29, 2018 4:36 am

I like her music, but yeah doesn't match the heel character. But then again, top stars in the past have usually kept their music whether they are heel or face
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Re: Professional Wrestling (WWE, TNA, ROH, etc)

Postby Andrew on Wed Aug 29, 2018 9:41 am

As long as there's some consistency with the character, it's usually fine.
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Re: Professional Wrestling (WWE, TNA, ROH, etc)

Postby JaoSming on Sun Sep 02, 2018 1:04 pm

All In was very entertaining. Definitely booked for smarks in mind and had some insane matches & spots.
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Re: Professional Wrestling (WWE, TNA, ROH, etc)

Postby shadowgrin on Sun Sep 02, 2018 1:27 pm

Booked to pander to the crowd. The dignified Vince McMahon would never.
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Re: Professional Wrestling (WWE, TNA, ROH, etc)

Postby JaoSming on Mon Sep 03, 2018 4:05 pm

Roman everything


MLW is uploading their shows to YouTube, took a look at the latest and gotta say, I am again satisfactorily sports entertained. I like the presentation and hearing Tony Schiavone was pretty damn awesome. Will definitely watch their War Games if they stream it or when it comes out on TV.

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Re: Professional Wrestling (WWE, TNA, ROH, etc)

Postby Lean on Tue Sep 04, 2018 12:07 am

It's a surprise that he's able to retain his WWE name.

Anybody watched All In? How was it?
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Re: Professional Wrestling (WWE, TNA, ROH, etc)

Postby Lean on Wed Sep 05, 2018 12:18 pm

Becky still being cheered!
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Re: Professional Wrestling (WWE, TNA, ROH, etc)

Postby Andrew on Wed Sep 05, 2018 12:23 pm

Apparently they're changing gears and not portraying Becky as the heel, but running with the idea that both she and Charlotte have a point. It's not a bad way to go since Charlotte's actions alone don't make her the heel in this angle, but she's definitely less sympathetic, and the crowd is too much on Becky's side for her to be the heel (or even a tweener).
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Re: Professional Wrestling (WWE, TNA, ROH, etc)

Postby Lean on Wed Sep 05, 2018 12:28 pm

I really hope they go with that. And I think if the feud started earlier, it would have made sense if their next match is inside Hell in a Cell.
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Re: Professional Wrestling (WWE, TNA, ROH, etc)

Postby Andrew on Wed Sep 05, 2018 12:48 pm

I think the crowd reactions have forced their hand. Probably helps that they're on Smackdown, which tends to be better booked. No chance of them listening to similar reactions for Reigns over on Raw!

Meanwhile, AJ Styles joins the 300+ day club with his current WWE Championship reign. I'm really glad that they've gotten behind him and given him a push with the world title that actually means something. I hope he makes it to a full year and counting. Have him break Punk's modern day record with the belt. Hell, have him eclipse Lesnar's reign with the Universal Championship, too.
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Re: Professional Wrestling (WWE, TNA, ROH, etc)

Postby Lean on Wed Sep 05, 2018 1:30 pm

I see it running probably up to a month after the release of 2K19, or up to the AJ Styles Million-Dollar Challenge thing for the game.
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Re: Professional Wrestling (WWE, TNA, ROH, etc)

Postby shadowgrin on Wed Sep 05, 2018 6:42 pm

I think the WWE is petty enough that they want Styles to break Punk’s record, similar to AJ Lee’s record being broken by a Bella.
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Re: Professional Wrestling (WWE, TNA, ROH, etc)

Postby Andrew on Wed Sep 05, 2018 7:22 pm

I think they were going for it with Rollins, before his knee injury led to him having to forfeit the belt.
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Re: Professional Wrestling (WWE, TNA, ROH, etc)

Postby Lean on Wed Sep 05, 2018 10:53 pm

I'm fine with Styles breaking Punk's record, while it annoys me that they recognized Brock to have held "the title longer than anyone in the past 25 years" in one of the past PPVs, even if he's held the championship that doesn't have the actual lineage.
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