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Re: Professional Wrestling (WWE, TNA, ROH, etc)

Postby Andrew on Sun Apr 08, 2018 12:53 pm

So, Wrestlemania 34 predictions?

Andre the Giant Memorial Battle Royal: WOKEN Matt Hardy...unless a new form of Bray Wyatt appears to eliminate him.
WrestleMania Women's Battle Royal: Sasha Banks, furthering her feud with Bayley in the process.
Cedric Alexander vs. Mustafa Ali: Uh...let's say, Cedric Alexander.
Alexa Bliss (c) vs. Nia Jax: Alexa Bliss, with a dirty finish.
The Miz (c) vs. Seth Rollins vs. Finn Bálor: The Miz, pinning Balor after Rollins hits his finisher, only for Miz to take him out to steal the fall.
Charlotte Flair (c) vs. Asuka: Asuka to keep the streak going and become champion, then a MITB cash-in by Carmella to end it and steal the title.
Cesaro and Sheamus (c) vs. Braun Strowman and TBD: Braun Strowman, with whatever gimmick or partner they end up going with for him.
The Usos (Jey and Jimmy Uso) (c) vs. The New Day (Big E, Kofi Kingston, and/or Xavier Woods) vs. The Bludgeon Brothers (Harper and Rowan): The Usos, in a wild finish amidst confusion.
Randy Orton (c) vs. Bobby Roode vs. Jinder Mahal vs. Rusev: Bobby Roode, to give him a significant win at Wrestlemania and keep the feud going.
Daniel Bryan and Shane McMahon vs. Kevin Owens and Sami Zayn: Kevin Owens and Sami Zayn, with either Bryan or Shane turning. WWE are probably dumb enough to try to turn Bryan, but I'd still pick Shane.
Kurt Angle and Ronda Rousey vs. Triple H and Stephanie McMahon: Kurt Angle and Ronda Rousey. Booking it any other way would be incredibly stupid; possible, but I think they'll protect Rousey.
AJ Styles (c) vs. Shinsuke Nakamura: AJ Styles, as I'm not sure they're ready to strap Shinsuke, and also because the other world title will change hands.
Brock Lesnar (c) vs. Roman Reigns: Roman Reigns, because the other title is staying put, but mostly because this is what they've been building to for a couple of years now.

I'm also guessing there'll be a John Cena segment where he calls out The Undertaker one last time, with The Undertaker either winning an impromptu match or otherwise getting the better of him somehow.
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Re: Professional Wrestling (WWE, TNA, ROH, etc)

Postby Lean on Mon Apr 09, 2018 2:45 am

I'd wake up at around 5am to start the pre-show. But before I get to my predictions, let me say that TAKEOVER IS SO DAMN AWESOME.

...now that's off my chest. I'd list them down as I'm just posting from my phone.

- Matt Hardy
- Becky Lynch or Paige
- The Usos
- Strowman and mystery partner who I'm guessing it's either Elias or Ellsworth
- Bálor
- Rusev
- Alexa Bliss
- Asuka (plus a failed Carmella cash-in)
- Angle/Rousey
- Bryan/Shane if they're gonna have another shake-up, Zayn/Owens if not
- Undertaker in his American Badasa persona
- Nakamura
- Reigns

To me, the winners of both main Smackdown titles (World title and Women's title) won't matter so long as both matches are given time to tell a good story (see: Gargano vs Ciampa at Takeover New Orleans).
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Re: Professional Wrestling (WWE, TNA, ROH, etc)

Postby [Q] on Mon Apr 09, 2018 9:30 am

I could see them giving Ali the title. He has a good story that they've been pushing

I dunno, I think Carmella's mitb reign has been a waste. I feel like it would've been better served for Becky Lynch to regain the title at one point but it doesn't work because she's not a believable Championship level talent as of yet and of all people to beat asuka would they really "waste" the streak on a cheap win by Carmella? Having her blow the opportunity like they did to punish Corbin doesn't really do any good either. What would make more sense would be to have Charlotte end the streak in a crazy back and forth match and have Carmella capitalize afterwards

I could see them putting the title on nakamura and we'll have a rematch of the dream match possibly on TV or at the next ppv. Then I hope they give us nakamura vs bryan
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Re: Professional Wrestling (WWE, TNA, ROH, etc)

Postby Lean on Mon Apr 09, 2018 10:36 am

Not even mad with the Smackdown Women's Championship result. I think it was a good match. Same with the IC title match.
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Re: Professional Wrestling (WWE, TNA, ROH, etc)

Postby Andrew on Mon Apr 09, 2018 11:01 am

I don't know. The ultimate payoff for Asuka's streak was another feather in Charlotte's cap? It was unexpected I guess, but where to now for Asuka?

Angle/Rousey vs. HHH/Stephanie was a pretty exciting match, though I still felt it was a bit rich than Stephanie got as much offense in as she did. I think she also lasted longer in Rousey's holds than all of Rousey's UFC opponents combined, which is a bit egotistical. At least Rousey went over, though. It honestly wouldn't have shocked me if they had her lose. They've made blunders that are just as big before.
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Re: Professional Wrestling (WWE, TNA, ROH, etc)

Postby Lean on Mon Apr 09, 2018 11:48 am

I think Asuka losing would either lead her back to Raw, and would be a storyline element in the future. I think the undefeated streak was fine to go on but I'd rather see her lose to Charlotte than to a Carmella cash-in.

The mixed tag match turned out way better than I expected. And I think Ronda woukd get better if she goes on full-time.

That Cena segment was great, too.

So far it's a good WrestleMania for me.
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Re: Professional Wrestling (WWE, TNA, ROH, etc)

Postby Andrew on Mon Apr 09, 2018 11:48 am

Taker/Cena match was short and sweet, and Taker actually looked the best he has in a couple of years. Not a bad send-off...I'm assuming. Hats off to Cena, too. A lot of top guys pout at the idea of jobbing at all, let alone in glorified squashes where they barely get in any offense. Love him or hate him, the guy's a team player.
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Re: Professional Wrestling (WWE, TNA, ROH, etc)

Postby [Q] on Mon Apr 09, 2018 11:56 am

The feather in Charlotte's cap isn't surprising given the way they've booked her up to this point.

HHH is disgusting how he continues to leverage himself into the spotlight. It would have been idiotic to have Ronda lose but I wouldn't have been surprised if that happened either. I'm shocked he didn't put this as the last match of the night. The lack of rules/tags was a little annoying but the match was pretty entertaining overall
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Re: Professional Wrestling (WWE, TNA, ROH, etc)

Postby Andrew on Mon Apr 09, 2018 12:17 pm

Agreed. HHH has a great vision for the business in some respects, but a blind spot when it comes to his own character and career. Good point about Charlotte.

Bryan/Shane vs. Owens/Zayn was another good one, with the right result. I'm glad I was wrong about Shane turning on Bryan to give Owens and Zayn the victory. Obviously, they're heading to RAW.

It's been a really good Wrestlemania so far. WWE's in-ring product gets bashed a lot, and some of the criticism is admittedly fair, but everyone's brought their A game for this one.
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Re: Professional Wrestling (WWE, TNA, ROH, etc)

Postby [Q] on Mon Apr 09, 2018 1:16 pm

Ehhhh, so I thought there was a tiny possibility of a turn but not the person that I thought it would be
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Re: Professional Wrestling (WWE, TNA, ROH, etc)

Postby Andrew on Mon Apr 09, 2018 1:40 pm

Shinsuke went Chris Jericho there. Meanwhile, Strowman deserves better than that cornball stuff.
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Re: Professional Wrestling (WWE, TNA, ROH, etc)

Postby Lean on Mon Apr 09, 2018 1:44 pm

That finish of the WWE title match was very very well done. Plus the turn was unexpected.

I expected Ellsworth to be Braun's partner! Maybe that was a Make-a-Wish?

It's the main event, and maybe it's time to go back to sleep now.
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Re: Professional Wrestling (WWE, TNA, ROH, etc)

Postby [Q] on Mon Apr 09, 2018 1:46 pm

Yeah, I'm thinking about just going back and watching pre-show stuff
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Re: Professional Wrestling (WWE, TNA, ROH, etc)

Postby Lean on Mon Apr 09, 2018 2:05 pm

Oh they brought back the music video recap at the end.

Also, Nicolas > Roman Reigns.
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Re: Professional Wrestling (WWE, TNA, ROH, etc)

Postby [Q] on Mon Apr 09, 2018 2:08 pm

It was interesting, as a lot of the people I thought were going to win didn't. Looks like Vince made a call to Dana to help work the fans on a move to the UFC. I could see him still fighting in the UFC since he only needs to show up for Summerslam after Wrestlemania is over.
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Re: Professional Wrestling (WWE, TNA, ROH, etc)

Postby Andrew on Mon Apr 09, 2018 2:22 pm

A great Wrestlemania that ended with a thud; first the cornball RAW tag title match, and then the main event. I'm tired of Lesnar. I don't like the way Reigns is booked, but at least he's a full-time talent and the belt would be on TV each week. Basically a finisher fest, and the crowd let their displeasure be known (not that you'll know on the replay/Blu-Ray/DVD). It was going to be a controversial and unpopular finish either way, but I'm just so sick of Lesnar. Sure, this ending was unpredictable, but now every title match through to Summerslam is going to be as predictable as the past twelve months have been. A bad end to an otherwise great show.
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Re: Professional Wrestling (WWE, TNA, ROH, etc)

Postby [Q] on Mon Apr 09, 2018 2:42 pm

As much as I dislike reigns, it would have been nice to have an actual champion around. The IC title is like the real championship on raw.

Lol did Aiden English shave his head after taking the L in the battle royal?
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Re: Professional Wrestling (WWE, TNA, ROH, etc)

Postby Andrew on Mon Apr 09, 2018 3:12 pm

The Universal Championship is a joke, it has no prestige. The only good thing about the brand split is that at least one world title is on TV, and it's the one with an actual lineage of note.
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Re: Professional Wrestling (WWE, TNA, ROH, etc)

Postby [Q] on Mon Apr 09, 2018 4:57 pm

Watched the parts I missed and I'm not sure about the Bludgeon Brothers win. They're not very interesting, shown by their third reboot and when they lose their monster push and finally lose, what will they have left? Also I agree Taker looked way better than he did the last two years. Didn't he have hip surgery or something? He looked old and immobile before but today he looked at least like a decent wrestler or someone you'd actually want to watch and not lumber through a match. I thought it would have been cool to have Kid Rock do a performance and then have Undertaker come out on the motorcycle during American Bad Ass. To have the Undertaker character "die" or stay retired after leaving his stuff in the ring but then have the American Bad Ass come back

For the record, there were five heavy betting underdogs that won tonight (Brock, AJ, Charlotte, Jinder, Naomi), so it did feel a little like they booked matches or changed it to swerve people but at the same time it does follow their pattern of continuing the long pushes for Brock, AJ and Charlotte at least

I did really like the guitar entrance for Nakamura instead of doing the violin only thing again. I guess with Bryan back and Owens to Raw, they have an imbalance of main event heels to faces which could explain the turn

I also did like Lizzy Hale singing Ember Moon's entrance theme, though I thought it was weird they had her drop the belt so soon after getting it. I thought she'd be champ for a long time.

Not sure if I like Adam Cole and his group winning everything. I guess they're doing their job if they are just to easy to dislike.

Ricochet is super athletic and had some cool moves, but I feel like I've seen a lot of that stuff already in the cruiserweight division every week
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Re: Professional Wrestling (WWE, TNA, ROH, etc)

Postby Andrew on Mon Apr 09, 2018 6:20 pm

Taker did indeed have hip surgery last year. He held off until after Wrestlemania so that he could work the match and put Reigns over, and it was assumed it was basically career-ending. It seems to have rejuvenated him though, at least to the point where he could come back and have a moment where he didn't look as old and beat up. I'm glad; he's my all-time favourite, and this was a much better note to potentially end on.
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Re: Professional Wrestling (WWE, TNA, ROH, etc)

Postby Lean on Mon Apr 09, 2018 8:51 pm

The Smackdown tag title match would have been better if it was only the Usos and The New Day. The Raw counterpart I believe was a last-minute change and I really thought the mystery partner was either a returning talent or Elias.

I wished that Biker Taker would've returned as I thought that him leaving his hat and coat in the ring last year was also a symbolism that the Deadman character is gone. It's good to see him in better shape than he was last year.

I thought AJ-Nakamura was a good match but could have been better, and the crowd seemed to be tired at that point. The turn post-match was great but I don't know where Nakamura goes from this unless he wins the title from AJ on the next PPV.

EDIT: To add on Q's post, I think Roddy Strong would get the UK title at some point in the future once Bobby Fish returns.

Takeover was fantastic, with the Women's match being the weakest. The ladder match was a brutal spot-filled contest. I like Adam Cole winning, and the turn on the Tag Team Championship match.

I kinda felt bad for Almas though I also like Aleister Black. I like how so much interference from Zelina Vega cost Almas the match and the title but I think it wouldn't hurt Black's momentum should Almas retained.

EDIT 2: Gargano and Ciampa main eventing Takeover made me think that Johnny will lose and would have been a send-off but holy crap was that match special. My favorite spot from that match was the powerbomb to the floor.

Shane, Sasha and Bayley were on the front row during Takeover but none of them were given proper exposure on-camera unlike the several moments at Wrestlemania where they focused on Cena while a match is going on and I felt that was very distracting. I also didn't like that Cena jumped off the barricade and ran through the ramp and stage during Charlotte's title celebration.
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Re: Professional Wrestling (WWE, TNA, ROH, etc)

Postby Andrew on Mon Apr 09, 2018 9:26 pm

He returned under the Deadman character at RAW 25, though. It's far more iconic than Biker!Taker anyway, so I'm actually glad he didn't return under that gimmick. I think last year was truly meant to be his retirement, but plans obviously changed when he had the surgery and ended up feeling like he could work another match.
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Re: Professional Wrestling (WWE, TNA, ROH, etc)

Postby shadowgrin on Mon Apr 09, 2018 9:52 pm

I think Bray's gonna turn on The Woken One in the future, similar to how Orton turned on Bray.

Ha, a uterus trophy.

After that fat-shaming angle, would be amusing if they made Nia Jax into a bully now that she's champion.

The Miz not winning is an absolute disgrace for the WWE.

I don't mind Asuka's streak being ended by Charlotte, it's like the Taker's streak being properly ended by someone like Cena or Reigns instead of a part-timer like Lesnar.
What I don't like is how she lost by making her tap, feels like a Triple H bury.
You build this character by not losing for almost 3 years and she lost because she gave up easily to a submission move? Nah, I'm not having that.

That tag match with Strowman was stupid, otoh from what I read about Braun it seems to align with his real life personality to do something like that, he maybe even thought of the idea, in any case good for the kid.
If WWE brings the kid along for a tag run I imagine it'll be the angle of a 'monster protecting something precious to him'. Like Shrek.

I feel like they're trying to make the Bludgeon Brothers into a new Road Warriors or something.

The Modern Day Maharaja winning a belt makes it up for The Miz losing his gold, a little bit.
Expect more factual and rightful insults to America now that a foreigner is holding the US title.

Daniel Bryan looked good out there, even better than Owens imo. Money Shane never disappoints.

That mixed tag match was the peak of WM34 in terms of crowd involvement, it was downhill after that, crowd just never got into the matches after.

Compared to their WK10 match, Styles-Nakamura was disappointing tbh, but ignoring their previous match the WM match is decent on its own. Now that Nakamura is a heel I want to see him fight Daniel Bryan in a singles match.

Eh, Brock signed a new WWE contract with that win I guess and we will continue to get more Reigns as an underdog and still doing his thing to claim his yard. Yay...

lmao Cena squash, though good to see that he put Taker over that way in WM to set things right with the way Taker's been booked in previous WM's.
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Re: Professional Wrestling (WWE, TNA, ROH, etc)

Postby Andrew on Mon Apr 09, 2018 10:21 pm

You' can't help but wonder whether that was intentional with the trophy.

I've read that the kid is the son of one of the WWE referees, and/or that it was possibly a Make-a-Wish situation. If that's the case, it makes it a bit harder to be a grump about it, but it's still not great. Great for the kid, of course, but I think they need to be careful with Strowman moving forward. I think they've already blown a couple of opportunities in terms of making him a main eventer and capitalising on how over he is, I hope they don't completely blow it moving forward.

Good points about Asuka. It's also egregious considering that Charlotte managed to withstand Asuka's armbar despite the kayfabe damage to her shoulder, and her being able to get the submission victory bridging on just one arm just adds to the notion of putting her over at Asuka's expense (and at the expense of the streak). Could've been handled better.

I'm seeing comments about how fans are unpleasable, complaining about WWE booking being predictable, then turning around and complaining when there's an unpredictable finish in the main event. There's some validity to that, but there's good and bad ways to be unpredictable, and unpredictable for the sake of it usually isn't good. Furthermore, while the finish to Lesnar/Reigns went against expectations, Lesnar's booking through Summerslam (at least) is likely going to remain predictable, rendering this one unexpected moment moot as the show goes on and angles continue.
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Re: Professional Wrestling (WWE, TNA, ROH, etc)

Postby zzcoolj21 on Tue Apr 10, 2018 12:55 am

Morning after Mania...
Bray got burried on the preshow to save Matt :lol:

Ronda is a natural and somehow had match of the night at her first wrestlemania

Taker is in the best shape he's been in all decade, but i still dont want him doing anymore 30 minute matches for his sake. Can't believe he killed some random fan in a 4 minute squash match

Alexa no sold a samoan drop off the top rope after her match

AJ vs Shin was only ok. They really didnt let them do anything special. But then Shin killed AJ and now I hope we see a return of his more "strong style" moveset

Tag matches. Meh.

booked themselves into a corner with the lesnar reigns match. Nobody would be happy with the result either way.

Like Andrew said on twitter, great mania bad ending.

Takeover > Mania

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Re: Professional Wrestling (WWE, TNA, ROH, etc)

Postby [Q] on Tue Apr 10, 2018 1:01 am

Feels like they were rushing a bit to get everything in pain time. It was nice that the video packages in between matches were much shorter than normal but each match seems like they ended early and needed 15 more minutes.

Now that you mention it, I don't like how asuka tapped to Charlotte's "regular" move. She should have been KOed from a natural selection from the top rope or something.
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Thots:

The highs were very high, and the lows were very low.

At like 10:00 PM, I thought we were on track to have the greatest WrestleMania I'd ever seen. The IC Title match was fantastic, as was Charlotte vs. Asuka. Just two great matches. The SmackDown Women's Title Match was the match of the night for me, and I am a much more harsh critic of the Women's matches than many others. Just great work from the two of them, even if you're displeased with the finish. If the likely alternative finish is having Carmella cash in on a prone Asuke to end her streak, I'll gladly take what we got last night. Great story telling and spots and work in that match. At this point in the night, I'm thrilled.

The US Title match was fine. Nothing really note worthy, but it wasn't bad. Jinder winning is fine. Whatever. I'm not thrilled with Roode's run on the main roster so far, and I haven't found Orton to be interesting in years. With as over as Rusev is, I'd love to see him get an actual push, but I know that's unlikely. The match was fine. It didn't bring down the night at all, and the only real knock was that it followed two smash hits that started the main card.

I thought the mixed tag match was absolutely fantastic, and the only match that challenged Asuka/Flair for match of the night, which is crazy when you consider the participants. Ronda looked like she belonged in every sense of the word. Her offense looked great, her selling was fine, and she was very believable; which I wasn't certain she would be. I think she's going to be an incredible addition to the Women's Division, and would be fine seeing her vs Charlotte and/or Asuka main event a PPV down the road. This match had great psychology that helped mask everybody's deficiencies, and far surpassed my expectations (like most, I'll be thrilled when a WrestleMania goes by where Triple H doesn't have a match at all). All in all this was a great debut for Ronda, and I'm excited to see what they've got in store for her going forward.

It was great to see Daniel Bryan wrestle again. I got back into the WWE right at the time he was making his meteoric rise, so it was good to see. I don't think you needed the pre-match attack to build the suspense, as the crowd was already ready for him to return after such a long absence. All in all the match was fine; Shane didn't ruin it (I look forward to the next WresleMania he does not have a match on, as well) thankfully. With Shinsuke's heel turn, I really hope that ultimately we get a great Styles/Nakamura feud that leads to Shinsuke taking the belt, and then a Daniel Bryan v. Nakamura feud for the WWE Title; I'm sure that isn't the hottest take around.

The tag matches were both dreadful. A waste of time, and crowd killers. It's tough to not have the crowd be into a match that involves the Usos and/or the New Day, but they managed. The Bludgeon Brothers are awful, and will become The Ascension after they drop these titles because there's just nothing else you can do with them. That's unfortunate. As for the RAW tag team match, that was a let down mostly because people had built up all the possibility of who Braun's partner could be, with rumors of Mysterio and Lashley and even Hulk Hogan himself. The build up caused the let down to be greater (which was also the case in the WWE Championship match), but it was let down all the same. I imagine Braun drops the titles as soon as tonight, and he deserved better at WrestleMania given how over he is.

Nakamura and Styles put on a fine match. It wasn't great or note worthy, and only disappointed because people thought it was going to be the match of their lives. Shinsuke's turn opens the possibility of a good feud between the two with later payoff(s), which I'm fine with. I hope that heel Nakamura is more cocky, brash, and aggressive, and think there's good possibility there. As mentioned above, I hope he takes the strap off Styles eventually and leads into a feud with Daniel Bryan. So yeah, this wasn't a great segment, but by the fifth hour of this PPV, you're fatigued even watching, and with such high hopes, it was a let down.

Undertaker vs. Cena. Bleh. Go away. Awful.

Reigns vs. Lesnar. Woof. Brutal. Just a horribly booked match top to bottom. I need Lesnar to go away and I need Reigns to turn heel to actually build on his character more than anything, because a guy as good in the ring as Reigns still not being over with the crowd at this point I don't blame on him; I blame it on Vince, et al. He's just booked poorly, and if they'd just build on his character a little, they could ultimately have him have a natural face turn that the fans would actually embrace. Lesnar is just the worst, and I wish he'd go back to UFC. If I never see him in another WWE match that'd be great. I'd rather watch the Undertaker or Triple H. Brock is the worst. He's the literal worst part of the entire company at this point. And he holds their most prestigious title. For over a year. Makes sense.
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Postby Andrew on Tue Apr 10, 2018 9:54 am

Taker/Cena, awful? I know you're sick of Taker, but that seems a little harsh. The match wasn't long, Taker looked healthy, and it's potentially a good send-off for the character, instead of having him look broken and mortal as he did against Reigns last year.

I absolutely agree about Lesnar, but the WWE Championship remains the company's most prestigious title, with the longest lineage. Interestingly, they even made a point of mentioning that in the introduction to AJ/Shinsuke, which surprised me.
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Postby Andrew on Tue Apr 10, 2018 10:19 am

So, here's the latest: Brock Lesnar, WWE Agree to New Contract; Will Face Roman Reigns in Saudi Arabia

WWE brought the speculation about Brock Lesnar's future to an end Monday, as it announced the universal champion has signed a new contract with the company.

Lesnar will also defend the WWE Universal Championship against Roman Reigns at the Greatest Royal Rumble, a WWE Network-exclusive event in Jeddah, Saudi Arabia, on April 27.


Embedded Tweets from Bleach Report's Jeremy Botter state:

My understanding is Lesnar signed for one more match. Audible called by Vince during the match last night when Roman wasn’t getting over at all. Now Lesnar will lose the belt in front of a more conducive audience.

There may be an extra TV appearance in the deal, but at most I’m told this is a two appearance deal.


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The question now becomes whether Lesnar's new deal carries him through WrestleMania 35 in 2019 or if it's more about keeping him around long enough to drop the universal title.

Pro Wrestling Sheet's Ryan Satin reported Monday that Lesnar and WWE Chairman Vince McMahon got into an argument after the WrestleMania main event, during which Lesnar allegedly threw the universal title.


Having him hold onto the title until next year would be a huge mistake. Even if he drops the title later this month, we don't need to see him again.
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Postby [Q] on Tue Apr 10, 2018 10:49 am

I agree with the points about roode. I actually liked him in what little tna I watched when he was beer money, but I don't like him in WWE. Nothing really makes him stand out in the ring. His theme is more over than he is.

I also agree with rusev being misused. They've been milking his merch for every penny but they don't seem to want him to win anything. His addition to the WM match seemed like an afterthought. He seemed destined for the battle royal.

Does anyone know if nakamura ever was a heel in Japan?
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Postby Andrew on Tue Apr 10, 2018 10:55 am

I've heard that he did have a heel run, but I don't know anything more than that.

Rusev is overdue for a proper push. He's gotten over after the stumbling block of being an undefeated monster heel whose streak is broken, leading to the inevitable "What do we do with him now?", and they're wasting him. He definitely should've won instead of Jinder Mahal, whose push has felt very forced and inorganic.
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Postby bigh0rt on Tue Apr 10, 2018 11:10 am

Andrew wrote:Taker/Cena, awful? I know you're sick of Taker, but that seems a little harsh. The match wasn't long, Taker looked healthy, and it's potentially a good send-off for the character, instead of having him look broken and mortal as he did against Reigns last year.

I absolutely agree about Lesnar, but the WWE Championship remains the company's most prestigious title, with the longest lineage. Interestingly, they even made a point of mentioning that in the introduction to AJ/Shinsuke, which surprised me.

I’ll give you that it was a substantially better showing for The Undertaker than we’ve seen in a few years but my question is, why? Why have him squash Cena? Is there a point outside of nostalgia? Are we going to do this forever? I watched his 2010 match with HBK earlier in the day yesterday and man, seeing this sullies that for me. As much as I loved Stone Cold Steve Austin, I know seeing him wrestle again would do nothing outside of the nostalgia, and I’d rather see guys who entertain in the present. You’re correct though, it was the best we’ve seen Taker in years. However, all it really was was 3 minutes of just the hits. Cena landed 1 move. I read it may have been to set up a Career vs Career Rematch for them at next year’s Mania?
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Postby Andrew on Tue Apr 10, 2018 11:22 am

I guess a lot of it is the appeal to nostalgia, and that can admittedly get old. I've heard those rumours as well, but I'm not sure what to make of them. My feeling is that it was a send-off that allows Taker to go out on a high and create a proverbial "Wrestlemania Moment", with Cena being willing to do the honours as he's someone who ultimately won't get hurt by it (especially with him becoming more of a part-time talent as well). And if they do have a Career vs. Career match next year...well, it probably would be a retirement match for Taker, and if he's this healthy, it probably wouldn't be half bad. It also means they wouldn't be involved in a match with any up-and-coming talent or taking up two matches on the card. My guess is that's just a rumour for the moment.
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Postby Andrew on Tue Apr 10, 2018 11:46 am

So...Paige retires, Bobby Lashley returns, and Owens and Zayn are going to fight it out for a spot on RAW. I was surprised to hear Kurt Angle mention TNA by name during the Owens/Zayn segment; it drew a shocked "Ohhhhhh!" from the crowd as well.
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Postby shadowgrin on Tue Apr 10, 2018 3:48 pm

Rumor of Rousey vs Charlotte as next Wrestlemania's main event.
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Postby Lean on Tue Apr 10, 2018 8:14 pm

NXT call-ups are great, but then again the main roster is just getting filled up yearly with some of the regulars being stagnant. Would they add more NXT call-ups on Smackdown tomorrow? Will Bryan be a full-time guy and be replaced as GM?

Andrew wrote:I was surprised to hear Kurt Angle mention TNA by name during the Owens/Zayn segment; it drew a shocked "Ohhhhhh!" from the crowd as well.


I absolutely loved that.
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Postby Andrew on Tue Apr 10, 2018 8:57 pm

I heard a rumour that they might bring back Hulk Hogan as the GM, seeing how the dust has settled on that whole situation and there apparently have been discussions about bringing him back.
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Postby bigh0rt on Wed Apr 11, 2018 1:33 am

I hope that with the NXT call ups, which I love, that they trim the fat at the bottom of the roster, at least with respect to who gets television time. I was surprised to see No Way Jose, as I feel he's a character who just hasn't figured it out yet, and I imagine he'll fall into a jobber role in short order, unless they've got something surprising planned. Ember should easily jump right into the Women's mix with her talent, though, as well as AOP in the tag division. I do hope we see a few more debuts on SmackDown tonight, and imagine we will. Any of Almas/Gargano/Ciampa/McIntyre would be welcome.

I would love to see The Miz get sent to SmackDown Live in next week's shake up to ultimately feud with Daniel Bryan. In my perfect scenario, Nakamura lifts the title off of Styles after a strong feud, then Daniel Bryan lifts the title off of Nakamura after a strong feud, and then we get Daniel Bryan vs The Miz at next year's WrestleMania for the WWE Title. I think that could be just a fantastic build and trajectory for the title for the next calendar year.

Random Thot: You've gotta love the Universal Champion not appearing on the RAW following WrestleMania. You can't make this shit up.

I wonder what they've got planned for Lashley. I missed his entire WWE career, but I've seen a little of him on TNA, and he's massive. Should I be excited, or is the probability more for let down?
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Postby [Q] on Wed Apr 11, 2018 3:08 am

Yeah honestly I haven't seen too much of lashley so I wasn't that excited when he showed up. Not sure what to expect from him

The problem with nxt "call ups" is that many of them that succeeded there don't translate well or simply just don't get enough time or focus spent on them to build them up.
Look at guys like tye dillinger vs someone like Bobby roode who was hotshotted to the top since his debut

I feel like they have enough talent being wasted, solid veterans who are paid to hang out in catering that we never see. Makes me feel like they need a third "main" show to showcase all this talent they have

I like the ember call up and I think cien will show up on SD tonight but there's just only so much time with too many people to showcase. Hell, they nearly botched shinsuke's debut because they couldn't figure out how to use him
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[Q] wrote:Yeah honestly I haven't seen too much of lashley so I wasn't that excited when he showed up. Not sure what to expect from him

The problem with nxt "call ups" is that many of them that succeeded there don't translate well or simply just don't get enough time or focus spent on them to build them up.
Look at guys like tye dillinger vs someone like Bobby roode who was hotshotted to the top since his debut

I feel like they have enough talent being wasted, solid veterans who are paid to hang out in catering that we never see. Makes me feel like they need a third "main" show to showcase all this talent they have

I like the ember call up and I think cien will show up on SD tonight but there's just only so much time with too many people to showcase. Hell, they nearly botched shinsuke's debut because they couldn't figure out how to use him

That's part of the nature of calling the guys up, too, though; to see if they'll translate from NXT into bigger venues, a different audience, etc. Even people that are supremely talented like an Apollo can get lost in the shuffle for any myriad of reasons. You'd hate to give up on the guy and have him go onto mega-success elsewhere because you missed something (ahem, Cody Rhodes), but at the same time, some guys just never get over or figure it out despite tremendous talent. I'm glad that we rarely see guys like Curt Hawkins or Heath Slater unless they're jobbing to put somebody over, and we don't get forced storylines (often) for them.

I just went through the entire RAW roster, and really, the only person I'd like them to ditch would be Kane. The aforementioned jobbers, and guys like R-Truth don't get TV time anyway, so that's fine (and as I mentioned in my previous post, I think No Way Jose will join those ranks in short order). Otherwise you've got just an unbelievable list of talent. Titus has never done anything for me, so I'd like him to get less TV time, but I feel like he has in recent months.

As for SDL, Primo and Epico Colon, The Ascension, The Bludgeon Brothers, Mojo Rawley, Sarah Logan, Mike Kanelis, Sin Cara, Tamina, and Zack Ryder all feel like absolute wastes to me. If they're ever on television not getting squashed, that is television time wasted. Granted, most don't see the daylight for the most part, but two of them are the current Tag Team Champions, and Logan feels so out of place compared to the other NXT women who were called up at the same time, both in character and in the ring, despite I believe being in the business longer than many of the others. It's a shame that Harper and Rowan get monster pushes with absolutely no character development and are doomed to be left with absolutely nothing the minute they lose the titles, whereas Breezango, if booked correctly, with the development they've gone through with their characters from a comedic standpoint via their vignettes, etc. would be so much better served and received by the WWE fans, IMO.
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Postby Lean on Wed Apr 11, 2018 4:26 am

[Q] wrote:Makes me feel like they need a third "main" show to showcase all this talent they have


I agree with this. But the problem that it would present is, too much wrestling I guess? That's why I really am against several NXT call-ups because after the episode they debut in, it goes downhill from there. Very few transitioned with great success, and I think apart from the Shield guys, I only feel Owens and Charlotte are the biggest successes of the NXT program.
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Postby [Q] on Wed Apr 11, 2018 6:27 am

Breezango is another head scratcher as they struck gold with them and buried them after their run of backstage segments.

Part of the problem is that nxt used to be a developmental system but with them signing finished talent it's basically the indie wwe show. Imagine if they called up all the top guys from nxt, there would be no time for them. But since it's seen as developmental it doesn't make sense to keep em in nxt forever. And the current roster isn't going anywhere. I think they'll have to address this in the near future, especially whether they'll keep nxt as developmental or split it
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Postby Andrew on Wed Apr 11, 2018 9:28 am

Lashley was pretty good in his initial run with the company. Good to see him back for a second run.
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Postby Andrew on Wed Apr 11, 2018 12:27 pm

So, Paige is the new GM of Smackdown. Not surprised that they're keeping her in an on-air role. Looks like I was a couple of days early on my Carmella prediction, though there's still the question of where they go from here with Asuka. Bryan/Styles was a solid TV match and I hope we see it again, but that was a good finish to protect both of them and further Shinsuke's heel turn.
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Postby Lean on Wed Apr 11, 2018 8:21 pm

WILL WWE FINALLY PULL OFF A PAIGE AND XAVIER WOODS SEGMENT?
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That's going to be awkward.
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Postby bigh0rt on Wed Apr 11, 2018 10:56 pm

I imagine we'll see Charlotte back on RAW next week, after the title drop. Wonder who else moves where.
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Postby Andrew on Wed Apr 11, 2018 11:35 pm

Presumably Daniel Brien and The Miz will find themselves on the same brand. I kind of hope Bryan stays on Smackdown, though. We don't need HHH and/or Stephanie coming out to tell him he's a B+ Player over and over again, all over again.
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Postby bigh0rt on Wed Apr 11, 2018 11:57 pm

Andrew wrote:Presumably Daniel Brien and The Miz will find themselves on the same brand. I kind of hope Bryan stays on Smackdown, though. We don't need HHH and/or Stephanie coming out to tell him he's a B+ Player over and over again, all over again.

I agree, SmackDown is absolutely the place for him. I think it's a great place to re-elevate him, back into the title picture, etc. I don't anticipate him moving. I think we'll see one of the Usos or New Day move to RAW, Miz (and tourage) to SmackDown, Finn & Gallows & Anderson to SmackDown to work the top of the card would be fun. RAW seems very full, whereas SmackDown seems to have more fat to trim, and more room for superstars to come over and potentially flourish instead of being lost in the sauce on Monday nights.
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Postby Andrew on Thu Apr 12, 2018 12:03 am

It would also mean being in the WWE title picture, i.e. the championship that actually means something, and is actually on TV. An extended reign for him, should his health hold up, would be - to borrow one of WOKEN Matt Hardy's favourite words - wonderful.
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