Professional Wrestling (WWE, TNA, ROH, etc)

[JaoSming]

History Hoooo!
http://www.pwinsider.com/article/78299/ ... e.html?p=1

[deihatein]

DAMNNNNNNNNNNNN

[[Q]]

Matches probably involve a lot more on-the-fly calling these days too, with the influx of indy guys and other proper wrestlers. Warrior-Hogan at WM was scripted from bell to bell, as was almost every Randy Savage match. And even the ones that weren't didn't tend to be that involved.

That, and yeah, being more attuned to it makes it stick out a lot more. It's not something I ever hear, so crowd noise has nothing to do with it, but I can clearly see it quite a bit.

didn't the refs use to relay messages when "checking" on wrestlers after moves?

[Lean]

so is it just me or do people suck at hiding the fact that they are talking to each other/ coaching each other in the ring?

Yes things have been pretty obvious. You can see them telling the other guy what to do when they pick their opponent up, stick his head nearer and tells him what to do next.

There's one match between Cena and Swagger from 2011(?) where Cena's doing his ugly shoulder block and he says "ONE MORE" to Swagger before the final shoulder bump.

[Andrew]

I still recommend WNW for news and results:
http://www.wrestlingnewsworld.com/

[JaoSming]

Raw has been quite good the past few weeks. TNA too with the BFG series starting up as well. Hit or miss with the Main Event Mafia reforming to fight A&8s, cause it doesn't make sense at all, but wrasslin.

[JaoSming]

well, shit, that lasted long. They are spoiling their own tapings....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=pl ... -09T-lmiIQ

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Its Austin Aries, slyly got himself into the title match, wins, all because in a few weeks they do the X-Division champ vs World Champ thingy again.

It sucks because reading the spoilers for the taping made it sound pretty awesome....

[JaoSming]

Gail vs Tarrell 2, the ladder match, holy shit

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ghX7VnS9s_k

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[koberulz]

Slammiversary was jaw dropping. The gutcheck match was by far the worst thing on the show

I assume you mean it was the worst match on the show. Hogan interrupting Sabin's title celebration so he could cut a promo essentially consisting of 'Boston Boston Boston Boston Boston Boston Boston Boston Boston Boston Boston Boston Boston Boston Boston" was far worse. Wish Hogan would just fuck off already.

I really wasn't that fond of the Knockouts match. It felt rushed.



Meanwhile, the Wyatt Family's debut was met with rather a large "Husky Harris" chant. They might not last long on TV if that keeps up.

Sami Zayn or whatever they're calling him (El Generico) had a 2/3 falls match at the NXT tapings recently with Antonio Cesaro, which is apparently a MOTY contender.

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i was digging the knockouts match. never seen a women's ladder match like that before. loved the Bret Hart figure 4 through the ladder

the Wyatts may or may not last but it's whether they get over or not. don't forget the Goldberg chants for Ryback & the Albert chants for Tensai. Ryback seemed to be going in a good direction and i stopped watching and now i don't know what they did with character

MITB ladder matches were ok, pretty average overall but of course there were some cool spots.
shaemus falling/breaking the ladder was cool. Rolling Thunder onto the ladder was awesome. CM Punk falling onto the ladder on Shaemus was simple, yet very cool as well. Best spot goes to the RKO after knocking RVD off the ladder

[koberulz]

don't forget the...Albert chants for Tensai.

Yeah, and look how that ended up.

Ryback seemed to be going in a good direction and i stopped watching and now i don't know what they did with character

He got over as a monster babyface, so they decided to turn him into a chickenshit whiny heel. Because that makes sense. Jericho's leaving, apparently, but instead of beating the shit out of him, writing him out and getting Ryback over, Ryback beats him with a schoolboy.

Also making sense: turning Daniel Bryan into one of the hottest things in the company and then refusing to capitalise on the momentum so you can stick him in a midcard feud with a guy nobody gives a single fuck about.

[Andrew]

I can't say that I like the outcome of either of the MITB matches. I would've preferred Bryan winning over Orton and Sandow hasn't been booked to look anything like a main eventer, though at least there's potential with the latter and good booking could change that situation.

[koberulz]

Nobody in the Smac...uh, World Heavyweight Championship Contract MITB Match (granted, it's no Kevin Nash Open Invitational X Division Gauntlet Battle Royal For Bound For Glory, but it'd be easier if they'd kept the brand split) has been booked anything like a main eventer really, though, which was the point. They seem to be trying to push people into the title picture to get them over, forgetting that it hasn't worked for any of the past, what, eight guys (off the top of my head, Cena and Kane being already established and eight others having cashed in)? They cash in, hold the title for a month, and then go back to obscurity.

I really think MITB needs to go away. It's overdone. Every single year it's the same thing, bar RVD and Cena. Having two cases in the company is definitely overkill, but I really wouldn't mind the whole thing just going away, at least for a while. The matches are getting less and less exciting as more and more of the spots are old hat, it has yet to be responsible for a single wrestler actually going anywhere other than maybe speeding Edge up by a month or two, and it at least needs a hiatus to freshen up. Coming back with some new ideas for cash-ins, and possibly limitations on when and where they can occur, might get a bit more mileage out of it but it's not something I can see being an annual thing and having any quality to it.

[Andrew]

Yeah, I think there's definitely merit in giving the concept a rest, or at least cutting it back to one match for one contract that can be cashed in on either of the top two championships.

[koberulz]

From what I've heard they don't want to do that as it then makes MITB better to win than the Rumble. The way they used to do it - one match to challenge the champion on the winner's brand - wouldn't work post-split.

[Andrew]

There isn't much of a split anymore. Two world championships is about the only thing they have left of that concept and the WHC is treated more like the IC title used to be these days anyway.

[Lean]

So they still don't consider Cena being the first guy to cash in and NOT win the title?

[[Q]]

I agree Bryan would've been a great choice, especially since orton doesn't really need the push. i've never been a fan of sandow as he & shaemus are hhh's boys and have been pushed because of that.

i thought RVD wouldve gotten a bigger pop, but i guess no one really knows who he is anymore.

[JaoSming]

So they still don't consider Cena being the first guy to cash in and NOT win the title?

they mentioned it multiple times during the MITB matches

[Lean]

I can't imagine Sandow being a main eventer. He's been there for a while now and while I think he can perform well on matches, I just don't buy his gimmick.

So they still don't consider Cena being the first guy to cash in and NOT win the title?

they mentioned it multiple times during the MITB matches

Finally. I think they did not mention that after Cena cashed in the contract last year.

[koberulz]

There isn't much of a split anymore. Two world championships is about the only thing they have left of that concept and the WHC is treated more like the IC title used to be these days anyway.

That's what I meant; 'post-split' as in 'after the brand split has ended'.

So they still don't consider Cena being the first guy to cash in and NOT win the title?

Not sure what you're referring to specifically, but a few times I recall hearing them make the distinction between Cena's cash-in and the surprise cash-ins.

Which is really the issue with MITB: because of the way the case is cashed in, nobody's ever won the world title after cashing in and actually looked strong. A few of them have never successfully defended the title. Why is it a surprise when they don't get over?


Regarding Bryan not getting it, he doesn't really need it either as he's ready to slot into the title picture straight away, without the case holding his reign back. Which my Twitter feed seems to indicate is what they've done.

[Lean]

Sorry guys I really haven't seen the PPV yet. I was asking though if they recognize Cena as the first guy to not win the title after cashing in.

Also, as far as I can remember -- RVD did not do a surprise cash-in.

[koberulz]

He didn't, but he's been with TNA and therefore it never happened.

Just watching the go-home SmackDown now, and they mentioned it during the Bryan-Christian match.

[Andrew]

Bryan had a decent run after cashing in his MITB briefcase, though of course they ended his reign terribly with the 18 second opener at Wrestlemania 28. I wouldn't say he's been killed off and has been getting the chance to put on some quality matches as of late, but they missed a fine opportunity to get him back into the main event scene.

[koberulz]

He has a WWE title match at SummerSlam, which is worth far more than MITB. His first reign didn't kill him, but it didn't help him either.