Obama vs. McCain

[cyanide]

EDIT: I'll never get used to people wildly celebrating elections. Or being so emotionally invested.

It's actually pretty damn annoying when they show a room full of black people celebrating. They're celebrating the fact that he's black, not because the Democrats won, or the better candidate won. They're cheering because he's black. What does ethnicity has to do with this race? (no pun intended)

[Fcuk Orlando]

More like yes we DID

[Fcuk Orlando]

EDIT: I'll never get used to people wildly celebrating elections. Or being so emotionally invested.

It's actually pretty damn annoying when they show a room full of black people celebrating. They're celebrating the fact that he's black, not because the Democrats won, or the better candidate won. They're cheering because he's black. What does ethnicity has to do with this race? (no pun intended)

At least black people can't pull the race card anymore

[benji]

What? Get ready for eight years of the race card.

It's actually pretty damn annoying when they show a room full of black people celebrating.

I'm seeing white people mostly. The black people must be out rioting. (Media, am I doing it right?)

McCain is giving up, needs to get to bed before midnight probably. I prefer the mostly quiet crowd. Then they have to go and cheer massively for Sarah Palin. I don't mind boos, booing politicans and elites are always a good thing.

Can't wait for Obama's over-the-top "WE SAVED THE PLANET" type speech.

It looks like all the McCain people are drunk, I've seen at least 20 people holding wine glases or beer bottles. Now, that's Patriotism. And I totally love Arizona foilage at night.

[puttincomputers]

They can project the winner based on exit polls and common sense. Sometimes they start counting in Republican counties, and so you see the person with less votes with the check next to their name.

God picked Obama. Only explanation for it.

well technically it aint over yet, but it appears you may be right

Riot
Wanton or unrestrained behavior; uproar; tumult.
Excessive and expensive feasting; wild and loose festivity; revelry.
The tumultuous disturbance of the public peace by an unlawful assembly of three or more persons in the execution of some private object.
To engage in riot; to act in an unrestrained or wanton manner; to indulge in excess of luxury, feasting, or the like; to revel; to run riot; to go to excess.
To disturb the peace; to raise an uproar or sedition. See Riot, n., 3.
To spend or pass in riot.

yup sounds like the obama rally

[benji]

Technically, no, it won't be over until January. But this election was over months ago. You could've got pregnant when this race was over and had your baby by now.

EDIT: And tell these people to stop chanting "O-BAM-A." I only hate it because I know it's not going away. Cults of Personality are so unnerving.

Hopefully people stop talking about this in a week. We need to hurry up and get the collapse of the Republic on. I've got shit to do.

[puttincomputers]

obama is riding a wave right now. he is like a movie star. popular one second and unpopular the next

[benji]

Nah, he's not going to be unpopular. For the first term he can blame everything on Bush, for the second term it's all those racists and small-government kooks who haven't gotten on board.

And he's going to have, after 2010, Dem super-majorities in Congress.

Everyone needs to stop comparing this to 1992. Back then people didn't want the government to make health related decisions for them. Today, they do. (And 57% of the country didn't vote for Clinton in 1992.)

EDIT: Alright, I'm this close to losing it over people crying when Obama speaks. (Yes, Jesse Jackson and Oprah can cry. But you fucking white college kids hanging out at the "big party" fuck you and fuck your dog.)

So much for the Republic if this is how people are going to react to him.

[cyanide]

So I thought both candidates had good speeches. I was expecting a Mussolini or Hitler-like speech, but Obama doesn't appear fanatical like his cult followers. I thought he was modest and poised, except for that "Yes we can" chant. Good for him. Now we can all go to sleep. Good night everybody.

P.S. People who cry at a president's speech are annoying too.

[benji]

Americans who sent a message to the world that we have never been just a collection of individuals or a collection of red states and blue states.

We are, and always will be, the United States of America.
...
I was never the likeliest candidate for this office. We didn't start with much money or many endorsements. Our campaign was not hatched in the halls of Washington. It began in the backyards of Des Moines and the living rooms of Concord and the front porches of Charleston.
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It drew strength from the not-so-young people who braved the bitter cold and scorching heat to knock on doors of perfect strangers, and from the millions of Americans who volunteered and organized and proved that more than two centuries later a government of the people, by the people, and for the people has not perished from the Earth.

This is your victory.

And I know you didn't do this just to win an election. And I know you didn't do it for me.

You did it because you understand the enormity of the task that lies ahead. For even as we celebrate tonight, we know the challenges that tomorrow will bring are the greatest of our lifetime -- two wars, a planet in peril, the worst financial crisis in a century.
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There's new energy to harness, new jobs to be created, new schools to build, and threats to meet, alliances to repair.

The road ahead will be long. Our climb will be steep. We may not get there in one year or even in one term. But, America, I have never been more hopeful than I am tonight that we will get there.

I promise you, we as a people will get there.
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But I will always be honest with you about the challenges we face. I will listen to you, especially when we disagree. [Ed: Or call the DoJ or FCC on us?] And, above all, I will ask you to join in the work of remaking this nation, the only way it's been done in America for 221 years -- block by block, brick by brick, calloused hand by calloused hand.
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It can't happen without you, without a new spirit of service, a new spirit of sacrifice.

So let us summon a new spirit of patriotism, of responsibility, where each of us resolves to pitch in and work harder and look after not only ourselves but each other.

Let us remember that, if this financial crisis taught us anything, it's that we cannot have a thriving Wall Street while Main Street suffers.

In this country, we rise or fall as one nation, as one people. Let's resist the temptation to fall back on the same partisanship and pettiness and immaturity that has poisoned our politics for so long.

Let's remember that it was a man from this state who first carried the banner of the Republican Party to the White House, a party founded on the values of self-reliance and individual liberty and national unity.

Those are values that we all share. And while the Democratic Party has won a great victory tonight, we do so with a measure of humility and determination to heal the divides that have held back our progress.

I'll cut out to make a comment, instead of an implied one:

And to those Americans whose support I have yet to earn, I may not have won your vote tonight, but I hear your voices. I need your help. And I will be your president, too.

Lulz. After eight years where a third of the country refused to ever accept Bush as their President.

To those -- to those who would tear the world down: We will defeat you. To those who seek peace and security: We support you. And to all those who have wondered if America's beacon still burns as bright: Tonight we proved once more that the true strength of our nation comes not from the might of our arms or the scale of our wealth, but from the enduring power of our ideals: democracy, liberty, opportunity and unyielding hope.

That's the true genius of America: that America can change. Our union can be perfected. What we've already achieved gives us hope for what we can and must achieve tomorrow.
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When there was despair in the dust bowl and depression across the land, she saw a nation conquer fear itself with a New Deal, new jobs, a new sense of common purpose. Yes we can.

Ugh. Hold on, I need to take another drink with that last one.

America, we have come so far. We have seen so much. But there is so much more to do.
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This is our chance to answer that call. This is our moment.

This is our time, to put our people back to work and open doors of opportunity for our kids; to restore prosperity and promote the cause of peace; to reclaim the American dream and reaffirm that fundamental truth, that, out of many, we are one; that while we breathe, we hope. And where we are met with cynicism and doubts and those who tell us that we can't, we will respond with that timeless creed that sums up the spirit of a people: Yes, we can.

If only we ever got around to knowing what the change was, other than making us all slaves to the state. And learning why we need to replace our responsibility to ourselves, with responsibility to the state.

And still, what exactly is fucking wrong with cynicism? (And why we're a democracy and apparently have some hope fetish.)

[Drex]

Lulz, benji's this close to losing it.

[Sauru]

he should be, a man just won a very powerful position because you are a racist if you are against him. i got to spend all night watching people jump up and down in churches for no other reason than "one of us won". unfortunatly there were many people who voted against him for the same reason though. i woke up today to hear the morning radio show crying because this is a "new day" and we are all part of history now. well the jews were part of hitlers history and that was nothing to celebrate so why is everyone so happy when they have no idea what is going to happen.

[puttincomputers]

[BigKaboom2]

Lulz, benji's this close to losing it.

Count me in too. Have to keep reminding myself that even with a socialist president we still have more freedom than any other developed country...still a hard pill to swallow.

Seems like Bob Barr got just 0.4% of the vote - didn't help that the judicial systems of several states were intent on keeping him off the ballot, while allowing all sorts of leeway for the major party candidates.

As of September 2008, Barr has achieved ballot access in 45 states according to the Libertarian Party website.

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Barr's plea in West Virginia failed on September 7 after U.S. District Court Judge John T. Copenhaver Jr. dismissed the lawsuit. The judge proclaimed that "it was their (the campaign's) lack of reasonable diligence that ultimately thwarted their effort to gain ballot access here" in West Virginia.

Lawsuits were filed against Barr by GOP members in Pennsylvania, to prevent the candidate from appearing on the state's ballot on charges that the Libertarian Party "tricked" individuals into signing the state's ballot access petition. Commonwealth Court Judge Johnny Butler dismissed these allegations on September 16, allowing Barr to remain on the state's ballot.

The campaign also filed a lawsuit to prevent John McCain and Barack Obama from appearing on the ballot in Texas, charging that the candidates' parties did not reach the state's August 26 deadline to report their nominations to the Secretary of State. The current Texas Secretary of State Esperanza Andrade reported that all the correct paperwork was filed but neither the Democratic nor Republican parties formally nominated their candidates (at their respective conventions) until after the deadline. On September 23, 2008 the Texas Supreme Court rejected the request without giving a reason for its decision.

On September 26, 2008 the Louisiana Supreme Court reversed an earlier decision to keep Barr and Root on the ballot, and ordered that they both be removed. The Barr-Root Campaign promptly announced that it plans to appeal to the U.S. Supreme Court.

I don't foresee the two-party tyranny ending anytime soon. It was quite disconcerting to walk into the voting booth and see four consecutive progressive candidates listed on it...

[Gundy]

I'm going to have to stop checking the internet for news for the next couple days. I can't stand every article making his victory out to be some "giant leap for mankind". It's such sensationalist garbage. Everybody's drinking the Obama Kool-Aid and it makes me want to burn something.

[huddy187]

I'm going to have to stop checking the internet for news for the next couple days. I can't stand every article making his victory out to be some "giant leap for mankind". It's such sensationalist garbage. Everybody's drinking the Obama Kool-Aid and it makes me want to burn something.

Im sick of you guys finding anything to say bad about this historical event that took place. They dont know nothing about the struggle in america with the economy , and finally someones trying to help us you got some idot talking about he going to stop checking the internet because McCain didnt win. I bet if McCain did win you wouldnt be saying this. Get over it buddy this country needs changes.

[Gundy]

"Hello, I am your last brain cell. Please don't kill me!"

[huddy187]

"Hello, I am your last brain cell. Please don't kill me!"

i never wrote that how do you change that i dont know what the hell that mean

[Gundy]

lol

[benji]

Im sick of you guys finding anything to say bad about this historical event that took place.

World War I was a historical event.

finally someones trying to help us

lol wut.

Get over it buddy this country needs changes.

Yes, but not this kind of "change." Which is just a return to dangerous and discredited ideas of the past.

Cult of Personality + $100 Trillion Entitlement Shortfall + Moar Government + Mob Rule + Demagoguery = Bad Times

I bet if McCain did win you wouldnt be saying this.

Well, if McCain won, there would be plenty of lulz to read.

[Gundy]

I'm going to have to stop checking the internet for news for the next couple days. I can't stand every article making his victory out to be some "giant leap for mankind". It's such sensationalist garbage. Everybody's drinking the Obama Kool-Aid and it makes me want to burn something.

Im sick of you guys finding anything to say bad about this historical event that took place. They dont know nothing about the struggle in america with the economy , and finally someones trying to help us you got some idot talking about he going to stop checking the internet because McCain didnt win. I bet if McCain did win you wouldnt be saying this. Get over it buddy this country needs changes.

I'm going to stop checking because I'm tired of reading how it's so historic because he's black and that we're all saved yada yada yada. I just want a little realism and explanation instead of a bunch of fanatics blowing their load on a guy that is all talk up to this point. FYI, I'm glad Obama won and not McCain. I don't mind a little socialism.

[Axel]

I'm very pleased with the outcome. Not only did Obama win convincingly with 364 EV, he also won my home state of North Carolina, which is the first time we've voted for a Democrat since LBJ.

Obama is all talk and rhetoric up to this point which is a reservation that I understand. That said, McCain abandoned what made him a "maverick" and I lost much of the respect I had for him as a politician. He once supported drivers licenses for illegals, and liberal amnesty policies. He once took on his own party. He once opposed the Bush tax cuts in the face of overwhelming Republican approval for them. John McCain is abandoned his maverick ways in favor of the status quo. He made erratic decisions like his faux suspension of his campaign and picking a highly inexperienced successor in Sarah Palin. McCain might have a long record of reform in the Senate, but he has an equally long record of being incapable to translate that into nationwide approval.

The promise of Barack Obama is much greater than the known quantity of John McCain. People knew what John McCain was bringing to the table, and they wanted more than that.

[huddy187]

I'm going to have to stop checking the internet for news for the next couple days. I can't stand every article making his victory out to be some "giant leap for mankind". It's such sensationalist garbage. Everybody's drinking the Obama Kool-Aid and it makes me want to burn something.

Im sick of you guys finding anything to say bad about this historical event that took place. They dont know nothing about the struggle in america with the economy , and finally someones trying to help us you got some idot talking about he going to stop checking the internet because McCain didnt win. I bet if McCain did win you wouldnt be saying this. Get over it buddy this country needs changes.

I'm going to stop checking because I'm tired of reading how it's so historic because he's black and that we're all saved yada yada yada. I just want a little realism and explanation instead of a bunch of fanatics blowing their load on a guy that is all talk up to this point. FYI, I'm glad Obama won and not McCain. I don't mind a little socialism.

ok cool fine by me

[BigKaboom2]

People knew what John McCain was bringing to the table, and they wanted more than that.

53% of people maybe...

[benji]

the first time we've voted for a Democrat since LBJ.

And we all know how that turned out!

McCain abandoned what made him a "maverick"

No, he didn't. He just was opposing Obama instead of Republicans, and he was too stupid to realize the media wouldn't abandon fawning over his silly "maverick" schtick. He was never a "maverick" he just cultivated that media image, and when he was being a "maverick" against things the media loved instead of against things they hate, he'd suddenly "changed."

He once supported drivers licenses for illegals, and liberal amnesty policies.

And he still does. As he said, to his own detrement, on the campaign trial.

He once opposed the Bush tax cuts in the face of overwhelming Republican approval for them.

Except, he only opposed the specific Bush Tax Cuts. He's always supported the idea of tax cuts, and didn't want to raise taxes after the Bush Tax Cuts. But in 2000-2003, wanted corresponding spending cuts to go with the tax cut, instead of cutting taxes and raising spending.

He's against raising taxes now, just as he was eight years ago. Only he wants spending cuts. He "supports" the Bush tax cuts only so much as he doesn't want them to expire and thus raising taxes on everyone. Obama's also against this for people under $250,000.

picking a highly inexperienced successor in Sarah Palin

Unlike the Democrat party, which picked a highly inexperienced candidate for the top of the ticket, right?

John McCain is abandoned his maverick ways in favor of the status quo.

Lulz, as I said, John McCain never had "maverick" ways. And "favor of the status quo"? Barack Obama is promising just more of the same failed policies too.

And let's be reasonable, serious people about this. Here's some "change":
Iraq: The Bush Administration has begun withdrawing troops, and made it official policy to continue a drawdown. While moving towards a surge on Afghanistan. Barack Obama wants to withdraw troops from Iraq, while sending more troops to Afghanistan. More of the same.
Taxes: Barack Obama wants to preserve the Bush tax cuts for anyone under $250,000. While approving more tax credits and rebates, just like Bush did in 2006 and 2007. More of the same.
Bailout: The Bush Administration approved a massive bailout package, and wants to continue with various bailout packages seizing control of more economic sectors. Obama supported it, and supports more bailouts. More of the same.
Medicare: Obama wants to expand the program and involve the government in health insurance more. Medicare Part D. More of the same.
Education: Obama wants to expand federal government involvement in the education system. No Child Left Behind. More of the same.
Iran/North Korea: The Bush Administration has been working with other nations on diplomatic efforts there for years. Obama wants to do diplomacy with rouge nations. More of the same.
Energy: The Bush Administration has passed subsidies to energy companies to assist in developing alternative fuels. Obama wants to give them even more money. More of the same.
Campaign Finance: Bush signed the unconstitutional McCain-Feingold to add more regulations to campaign financing. Obama supports even more. More of the same.
Lobbyists: The Bush Administration has approved various new regulations on lobbyists, while expanding government. Obama wants to regulate lobbyists more, while expanding government. More of the same.

Can we really survive eight more years of the same old failed Washington politics?

The promise of Barack Obama is much greater than the known quantity of John McCain.

What the hell is the promise of Obama? A perfect country? The fixing of our broken souls? Turning back the seas? An utopia where we all get together to loot from those who are better off?