Terrorist Attack on London

[The X]

ahh....I guess tragedies like this bring out the best in humanity

[Jackal]

This is disgusting, what to they want to achieve by doing things like this? Fear? After 9/11, were they better off? How so? They say they fight for their fellow people, after 9/11 I can't help look differently at a muslim person, no matter how much I want to, I can't.

Fuck this Jihad shit, it's all bullshit, it's terrorism plain & simple and on top of that they have no basis for what they do, cunts.

[Matthew]

Well, they pics has already been post at CNN and FoxNews so it dosen't really matter.

Since when has anything you've said mattered?

Just becuase one company is doing it doesn't make it right. Put yourself in their shoes and tell me its right to distrubute pictures of them.

[Jackal]

It's alright to distribute pictures of the victims, ofcourse it is. When it comes to his niece, he has fits. Double standards.

[Filip]

I'm not saying it's alright, i'm just saying that the harm is already done, if Sit posts the pics or not dosen't really mather since loads of people already seent the pics from the news sites.

When it comes to his niece, he has fits. Double standards. :roll

Wtf, LOL

Since when has anything you've said mattered?

Is that why you're replying on my message

[J@3]

I hadn't seem them. Only interviews with witnesses.

[Matthew]

Oh yeah, its really a laughing matter you cocksucker.

And seeing your highly powered brain can't interpret well, I'll requote what I said before. Now read slowly...

Just becuase one company is doing it doesn't make it right. Put yourself in their shoes and tell me its right to distrubute pictures of them.

Understand now, that it makes no difference if cnn or nbalive.org posts these pictures, if you post them as well, you're just as bad.

[Matthew]

I just edited sits post, if anyones wondering. Its just not right.

Is that why you're replying on my message

Yep, thats why you're such a highly respected member of this community. Go dunk a 7 foot rim mate, and then think you're cool becuase you talk non stop about porn! Where would we be without you?!

I'd be shocked if 5 people in this place actually respected you.

[Jackal]

Hey hey hey, he makes street ball faces! Respect ok. Besides, didn't you just love his mixtapes? Awesome. How bout the large porn collection he has? Woowee. Oh, last week he danced with TWO whole girls at the same time, not ONE, TWO!!!!

Oh, I do respect him for having a boinkable niece.

[Filip]

Understand now, that it makes no difference if cnn or nbalive.org posts these pictures, if you post them as well, you're just as bad.

Ok, I see where you coming from. But the fact remains it dosen't really matter to the people if the harm already been done. I don't think they couldn't care less if it's posted in nerdy forum if it's already been posted on two big news sites (and probably a gazillion newpapers, tv shows etc).

Oh yeah, its really a laughing matter you cocksucker

Where the fuck did I laugh about this tragedy?
I was laughing about Jackal's fucked up comparision, nothing else.
And please, no need to call me a cocksuckers just because I have different opinion, it's a bit childish I think.

[J@3]

Excuse me "TheCambyMan", if that is your real name, in future please edit your previous post

[Indy]

This is sad.

So many people die at the hands of others in the world, its barbaric.

This is disgusting

I agree

what to they want to achieve by doing things like this?

To bring the downfall of Western Civilization, and end its involvment in the Middle East. They are fighting a war, that is their mission.

after 9/11 I can't help look differently at a muslim person, no matter how much I want to, I can't.

That's AMAZINGLY ignorant Jackal. 40 people are dead in Britain. I am sad for those 40 people, and I in NO WAY condone what happened there. That said, this kind of thing happens in Iraq every single day. Theres at least 2,300 people dead in Iraq at the hands of US soldiers. I don't see you saying you can't look at an American the same way.

I think this is an awful thing that happened, but unfourtanatley its the reality of life. And we have it pretty damn good. In the Middle East this happens every day, and in bigger numbers.

[End Boss]

It makes you wonder, if this is a reaction to London winning the right to hold the 2012 olympics, did they also have attacks planned in New York, Paris, Moscow, and Madrid?

[Joycean Summons]

I think it has more to do with the G8 than the olympics.

[Jackal]

That said, this kind of thing happens in Iraq every single day. Theres at least 2,300 people dead in Iraq at the hands of US soldiers. I don't see you saying you can't look at an American the same way.

Agreed, what happens in Iraq is in no way right. But c'mon, the way of fighting is different, isn't it? That's a war. This is a cowards way out. There is a difference. I do look at the current americans differently, a lot of them do have the Bushlike aura. Some don't. Same with the muslims, some (read alot) do have the disgust of the West. Some don't. But until I get to know them, I cannot help seeing them as people that are disgusted by the western world because whatever we do is supposedly bad in the Koran.

[Indy]

Well, that's racism, and you cannot justify that.

Plus, what's happening in Iraq is a war?? When did Iraq agree to this so called war? In order for there to be a war there have to be two sides fighting. Yes there is an insurgency of militia, but that's hardly a war.

I'm talking innocent civilians killed, not insugents.

Plus, how can you say they aren't fighting a war? Just because the attacks are happening on Western soil? Al Queda would tell you that this is war. Its not a random attack, its war. They are in a war against the Western countries. So that doesn't make it any different.

Please, don't get me wrong. This has left a rock in my stomache that this has happened. I think its awful, and I personally would kill anybody who was involved. I'm just trying to say open your eyes a little, and see that this happens in other parts of the world by American soldiers and I don't see anyone seeing the same sympathy for the Iraqis or Afghanis. I believe we should have the same sympathy for Iraqis, Afghanis, British, Americans, Russians, etc.

[Mazzocchi]

Hm, that sucks.
I like London, Londons cool.

*sigh* Sit, your an asshole (and not in a good way like Jackal )

[Jackal]

Well, that's racism, and you cannot justify that.

Racism? Based on their belief? Pretty much, yeps. Isn't it racism on their part for judging the western world? They are trying to say what we do is wrong, because God says it's wrong. In any case, I live amongst these people and I hear what they have to say. I mean, they portray the States as an evil war monger. C'mon, that's not what it is. Now, I know it's not correct that because they do it, I should do it but that's just how I am. I do feel bad for them & their situation, but didn't their kin bring it on upon themselves? Before 9/11, did we think this badly about the muslim nation? It wasn't roses, but it wasn't this bad that when I'm in the tram & I see one of the fucked up looking folks walk in, I have to think twice about it. It wasn't like that.

Plus, what's happening in Iraq is a war?? When did Iraq agree to this so called war? In order for there to be a war there have to be two sides fighting. Yes there is an insurgency of militia, but that's hardly a war.

Iraq was liberated of a dictator, that's the bottom line, isn't it? It was a war given their military is also fighting against them. I'm sure a lot of countries that fought to take down Saddam saw it as a war, why else would they be there? USA bullied them into it? Right.

Plus, how can you say they aren't fighting a war? Just because the attacks are happening on Western soil? Al Queda would tell you that this is war. Its not a random attack, its war. They are in a war against the Western countries. So that doesn't make it any different.

The war in Iraq is against people who are believed to be dangerous. These so called civillians are guys with guns but just not part of the military. Sure, there are a lot of innocents, but those too are suspected of being able to harm in some way. Tell me, how did those folks in the Twin Towers or for that matter the London people, harm any muslim people? How? US is fighting "civillians" that are believed to be dangerous. How are the folks who died today, dangerous? That isn't war, that's just a way of implementing fear for the Muslim world. Who said anything about western soil? Don't mangle my words to your liking. I never said because it was on western soil, it isn't a war. It isn't a war because their victims pose no threat, in no way.

I don't see anyone seeing the same sympathy for the Iraqis or Afghanis. I believe we should have the same sympathy for Iraqis, Afghanis, British, Americans, Russians, etc.

Who says I don't have sympathy for them? Did you just decide that for me? You don't see it? Come to Holland, you'll see them "sympathise" these folks. By sympathy I mean they'll say stuff like Bush is the devil. Wow, is that sympathy?

Think what you may, I live amongst a lot of Muslims & I'm not saying all of them suck, although I am saying I can't walk down the street, look at one of them and not think 9/11. I just can't. It isn't about opening my eyes and sympathy, it's just something I cannot control feeling/thinking.

[Riot]

Enters Captain America

Indy, Indy, Indy. Why don't to flick CNN off for a few minutes and get some common sense. Yes, US Troops have been the source of innocent lives being killed but anytime you invade a country and try to take a corupt government out civilians will get killed. This whole mission is about saving the lives now but more importantly saving the lives of future generations. Instead of living in poverty and under supression they can live in their own government without Saddam in rule. And hopefully, someday the middle east will be a place where Muslims, Christians, Jews, and other religions can live without being in consistent fear of terrorist attacks. It may not look like it's working right now, but it is. The result will be greater than anything we've (America) in recent history.

Now, here we go into the debate "America is force-feeding a government to Iraq and they don't even want any part of it". That is wrong. The majority of Iraqi civilians WANT the United States there and are praising them for their efforts. You just don't hear about that on the news because bad news is good news. Every once in a while a news station will show the good that is being done in Iraq (girls allowed in school for the first time, new textbooks that aren't completely biased from Saddam, shots for childern, more hospitals and schools). Some people fail to realize that we aren't there just to take their government out but we are there to help rebuild the whole country in general. The place was not very well kept up (I guess you could say). Children weren't getting the proper education, water, food, or clothing and people weren't getting the proper treatment. Saddam didn't care about the people because he only care about himself. So he didn't bother to try and help them.

I could go on and on about why the war is great but I have a feeling I really would be wasting my precious time. However, if you feel the need to debate this I will throw myself at your mercy and give you the best damn debate you've ever seen.

[Indy]

Riot Riot Riot... I feel like we have had this debate before...

You bring up the same points I shot down in previous threads!!!

http://www.commondreams.org/headlines05/0409-02.htm Hmm you're right all those people look quite happy.

http://www.mediamouse.org/news/300000_i ... upatio.php Yes, they seem to be THRILLED!!! Horray America!!

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle ... 181392.stm Again, those people are absolutly ecstatic about the occupation.

Riot, first of all, I hate CNN. Second of all, you need to realize, that the garbage about people going to school for the first time, and shots for children is a load of horse shit. Its total and complete bullshit. Fallujah was a major city before we came in, now it is in shambles. People have LESS water then they had before, and Sunnis have begun murdering the Shia clerics. There is a civil war taking place there that is worse then what we thought would happen if we pulled out suddenly. Do you hear about that? No. The media favors the war in Iraq if anything.

Not only that, more and more Americans are starting to become against this war.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/co ... 00296.html

This is worse then Vietnam. Its worse then any war America has ever fought, and we have fought in some pretty bad wars.

[J@3]

I won't lie, I don't really like Muslims. Not necessarily because of terrorist things, just don't like them.

[Riot]

Indy, the media DOES NOT favor the war (unless it's Fox News). Most media outlets are run my democratics, and most democratics do not support the war.

Now, you showed me an article about a protest. Yes, that is great. But what about the Iraqi's dancing in the street, pulling down the Saddam statue, kissing the American troops, giving them food and water, standing in the streets waving and smiling at them as they pass through the town. I know three guys who have been in Iraq and one who is still currently there. There are a lot of people who want this war to happen. Innocents get killed in every war and people disagree in every war (if we all agreed then this wouldn't be a war). But the thing is: it isn't America vs. Iraq. It is America vs. Saddam's rule and the insurgents/terrorists who are attacking and opressing the Middle-East.

Worse than Vietnam? Hardly. We are actually making progress here in Iraq, whether the media and yourself sees it or not. Those shots and schools are bogus? Tell it to the little girls who are finally allowed to go to school. That's pretty big. And less water? Sure, right now there maybe less war because a war is going on but they are rebuilding the water supply to try and have it reach all people in the country. A lot of Iraqi's were without water before we got here and the ones who did have water weren't very lucky either (dirty water).

If you want to sit here and think America not going in and watching a country under complete supression and suffering is better than going in and putting out foot in the door and saying enough is enough then so be it. But I happen to like a president and country that supports action over diplomacy, especially in one of our darkest hours. It's time to start standing up to the terrorists than to sit here and put money into "security" and think we are safe. Terrorists will always find a way to get past our "best security" no matter how much time and effort we put into it. But if we put them on their heels and make them be on the defensive we might stop an attack or two, which is good enough for me. Personally, I hope we kill those muslim bastards and I don't care if we have to kill them all to do so.

[Andreas Dahl]

It's a tragedy what happened in London, and is a damn shame these things still go on.
They said on the radio that an, so far, unknown group that comes from al-Qaida has taken the blame for it, and that it was aimed at the G8. What I find odd about that is that G8 is in Scotland...


Jackal, It doesn't mean you're racist, it means you're prejudice. But we're all prejudice though, just some more than others.
I'm not going to post on how bad USA is, since a lot of you might already know that I think USA is a horrible nation, but I'll make a few comments.

They are trying to say what we do is wrong, because God says it's wrong.

If that's not the ultimate reason to do something... I'm not saying it's right, because it isn't. But these people that does this isn't your average arabs/muslim, their extremist. Fanatical islamic extremist that sees the coran their way (a way that is rejected by 99% of all muslims). Also, when you say "but didn't their kin bring it on upon themselves?", that's excacly like if every african were to think of every white person as a KKK member or a slave-dealer.

The war in Iraq is against people who are believed to be dangerous. These so called civillians are guys with guns but just not part of the military. Sure, there are a lot of innocents, but those too are suspected of being able to harm in some way. Tell me, how did those folks in the Twin Towers or for that matter the London people, harm any muslim people? How? US is fighting "civillians" that are believed to be dangerous. How are the folks who died today, dangerous? That isn't war, that's just a way of implementing fear for the Muslim world. Who said anything about western soil? Don't mangle my words to your liking. I never said because it was on western soil, it isn't a war. It isn't a war because their victims pose no threat, in no way.

No, not 'so called civillians', actual civilians which is being killed by the thousands; 22-25,000 directly caused by the invasion. Plus several hundreds, maybe even thousands by the resistance. I'm not talking people from the actual resistance, but civilians.
Again, you can't compare the Iraq war with the London bombings. The bombings was done by a small terrorist organisation that consists of fanatical islamic extremist that belive what they are doing is from god's will. Oh yea, in their oppinion, it is a war...

The place was not very well kept up (I guess you could say). Children weren't getting the proper education, water, food, or clothing and people weren't getting the proper treatment. Saddam didn't care about the people because he only care about himself. So he didn't bother to try and help them.

How bad do you think Iraq was before the war? Another 3d world nation? It was very simular to those of Saudi Arabia and Kuwait. Before - After. It's people was a hell a lot more free than you think; as long as it didn't interfear with Saddams thoughts. As long as you didn't speak out negatively about Saddam, life was just as it was any other place; that's what many people don't think, but I suggest you actually ask people that lived there before the war, rather than taking the word of CNN.

[Riot]

Of course their cities are pretty well advanced, they aren't retarded. But the people who live in the country-side and in rural areas can't get the transportation, water, or electricity they need. That's what I'm taking about. Saddam didn't care about improving all that, and it was hurting the nation.

How would you like it if your dicator would find your sister on the street and bring her in and rape her? And when he was done he would kill her. Your dad would then curse out about Saddam because he raped and killed his daughter. So Saddam sends him to a torture chamber where he is beatening and hanged. This happened more than you think.

[Indy]

Riot, just because the United States came in doesn't mean that everything is going to be fine and dandy.

There is no doubt that Saddam was a terrible dictator. He was totally and completely awful. But, if America is so concerned about Iraqi people then why not African people? Why single out Iraq as the one nation to "help". Look at how horrible the situation in Rwanda was, America did NOTHING about it!! Look at how bad the situation in Sudan is right now, millions!

To say that America is going to come in and fix everything in Iraq is just plain ignorant. Yes, it is good that Sadaam is gone, but there are still people being killed every day there by American soldiers. On top of that, we have to leave eventually and too many people there are opposed to Western style of government for it to flourish there. The 3 religious groups there will butt heads once we leave, and the new government will be overthrown. Its unfortunate, because I would love to see a democracy develop in the Middle East, but It isn't going to happen.

Andreas, the reason I compared the London bombings to Iraq, is that I find it strange that people think its awful when less then 100 British people are killed, but not when thousands of Iraqis are killed. I think both are awful, I'm not downplaying the tragedy in London, I'm only saying we should mourn the deaths of Iraqis and British.