Hatred is the superior feeling?

[Jackal]

no one hates me (except for JAckal)

Don't flatter yourself, you're too meaningless in my life for me to actually spend time hating you. Of all people. A man with a zit problem & a guy with such a bad complex he posts other dude's pics. Right.

[AlwaysWhat,NeverWhy]

People kill for love as well as hatred.

You only kill for hatred. Not love. It's just that sometimes love leads to hatred...

[Jackal]

If by love you're referring to jealousy, that's understandable, but at the same time that jealousy can be perceived as hatred towards the eventual victim. (The one you kill, due to the fact you envy them.)

[MaD_hAND1e]

But then.. envy is not the same as jealousy... jealousy can lead to hate, but envy shouldn't, isn't envy like... when you're happy for someone because they have something you want, whereas jealousy is when you despise someone for something they have that you want?

[AlwaysWhat,NeverWhy]

isn't envy like... when you're happy for someone because they have something you want, whereas jealousy is when you despise someone for something they have that you want?

No,no.

Jealousy: feeling you get when you would like to be in someone else's good situation, but don't despise them for it.

Envy: Same as above, but in an evil way, when you wish that the other person was stripped of his happiness or it tranferred completely to you.

[Andrew]

What the fuck is the point in forgiving?

It can be a pretty lonely life if you don't. I'm not talking about forgiving everything and anything, I mean forgiving people for small things, things that are hardly worth getting angry, fighting or ruining a relationship over. In a world with a lot of phony people who are never truly sorry for their actions, it's worth acknowledging a person who in turn has acknowledged their wrongdoing...if you want to keep the friendships and relationships you have, anyway.

Another example, some lady cuts you off while you're driving. Oh, she is so sorry but what is forgiveness going to do? I'm always going to remember her as the lady who cut me off and pissed me off. You can't erase memory from your head. Here's an idea: don't screw up.

Of course not. What you could do is move on and don't let something as petty like that cause such self-destructive emotions or behaviour.

I'm not going to completely denounce the concept of bearing grudges as I must admit there's a few folks I've encountered so far in my life that I don't care for and like to distance myself from, but I find constantly dwelling on them isn't really worth it. But to each their own way of dealing with the issues in their life.

Back to the first topic...

I agree that negative emotions such as hatred seem stronger, but only because they have a negative effect upon us. Put simply, negative emotions make us feel bad and not many people enjoy that, thus we tend to focus on those emotions a lot more making them seem much more powerful. Negatives always tend to garner more attention than the positives.

[paseo85]

hate to me is sometime a waste of time. its easier to hate than to love believe that .

[Cloudy]

When you have love you gotta at least hate something...
If you love the nature... you'll hate the polution...

I once hated my teacher that I hired someone to beat her up...lol
But then that asshole biker said I paid him too little...

[Mentally Hilarious]

There is only one true difference between hate and the rest of teh human emotions.

Hate is NOT controlled. Hate CONTROLS you, and leads your subsequent actions. When you hate, you ARE NOT really yourself, you become an instinct-driven animal with no conscious control over decisions or actions. And all the time you spent under its influence, is time totally and utterly lost when considering things in hindsight.

I personally pity the humans that give in to their hate often... I believe they are too mentally weak to overcome their base emotions and take control of their own destiny. But then again, that's me.


Never forget one thing, people: the only way to achieve TRUE FREEDOM is to rid yourself of the extremes. No fear, but no hope either. No hate, but no love either. Are you ready to take that step?

(also to Andrew kinda, but double qoutes?! No, that's unpossible!)

That's naïve as a something that's really naïve. How can you justify the claim that hatred only drives negative actions, when it's wrong. Hatred can indeed be honed into a creative, and positive force. That I have no doubt about. I don't want to be that kind of poster who relentlessly uses his own life as example, so I'll use a better if yet more abstract one.

Why do you think that feminism has come such a long way?

Do you really think that there wasn't a agenda of hatred against, not men maybe, but the structures that consequently made them into "lesser" humans. Hatred is a strong emotion, and together with Love and anger maybe even the strongest. And when you succumb to any feeling that strong without selfdistance; shit hits the fan. But when you harness all that passion that's interlinked with such strong emotions you open up the door for wonderful things to happen.

And as Cloudy says (in a way) - hatred is neccessary since it's opposite of another feeling. You really can't have one without the other in most cases.

[J@3]

I can't honestly say I really hate anyone... I despise people, I feel pity for them and there's just sometimes where I'd like to kick their heads in (like the dude on the bus the other day, anyways) but I don't really hate people. It's too draining for me to feel that kind of emotion and let someone else consume me like that. What's the point? You can get EVERYTHING you need from disliking someone, without letting it take control of you.

I think it'd be easy for me to hate people, I have had some pretty bad experiences with alot of people in general, and in the past I used to take out my anger on everyone else around me (even at the NLSC)... that was hate, I hated various people for things they did and it really almost ruined my life because of it. These days I feel ALOT more controlled, to be honest if I'm talking to a person I feel dominant... not in a leather, whips and chains way (although with some people...hmmm ) but in the sense that I feel like I can control everything they do. I don't want to control them, but the feeling that I can comes from exuding confidence I think... anyways, enough rambling.

[cklitsie]

I'm a hater, I hate a lot of people and I just want them to die. Now.

[Andrew]

That's naïve as a something that's really naïve. How can you justify the claim that hatred only drives negative actions, when it's wrong. Hatred can indeed be honed into a creative, and positive force. That I have no doubt about. I don't want to be that kind of poster who relentlessly uses his own life as example, so I'll use a better if yet more abstract one.

Agreed, but the hatred that drives a lot of actions isn't noble, nor are the actions themselves. Hatred is unquestionably a motivation for terrible things, Hitler's "Final Solution" being an example that springs immediately to mind.

Hatred for the most part has negative connotations, which is why I feel it appears to be the "stronger" emotion. I don't dispute the fact hatred can be positively channeled or that it's perhaps "needed" as the opposite emotion to love, I'm just offering a reason as to why it seems to be the superior feeling...which is the initial question you posed.

[AlwaysWhat,NeverWhy]

That's naïve as a something that's really naïve. How can you justify the claim that hatred only drives negative actions, when it's wrong.

For the individual who feels hate, there is only negative repercussions. Short-term benefits such as victory and overpowering your opposition might be nice and all, but in the end, the hatred controls your personality, not the other way around...
Think of drugs... Short-term= feeling happy and all-powerful
Long-term= addiction, lower-than-low when deprived of them...
Same as hate...

Hatred is a strong emotion, and together with Love and anger maybe even the strongest. And when you succumb to any feeling that strong without selfdistance; shit hits the fan.

that's the point. No average man can withstand the short-term power hate provides... until he is consumed in the end. Facts of life.

But when you harness all that passion that's interlinked with such strong emotions you open up the door for wonderful things to happen.

Ahhh, yes... But can you be sure that you will be strong enough to harness those emotions? Or is it merelt the gambler's way down to (what men perceive as) EVIL?

hatred is neccessary since it's opposite of another feeling. You really can't have one without the other in most cases.

True. Both feelings have to exist... Each one's opposite defines the other.. Same as good and evil... But the point is to strike a sentimental balance within you, not to totally give in to any extreme...

[COOLmac©]

There is only one true difference between hate and the rest of teh human emotions.

Hate is NOT controlled. Hate CONTROLS you, and leads your subsequent actions. When you hate, you ARE NOT really yourself, you become an instinct-driven animal with no conscious control over decisions or actions. And all the time you spent under its influence, is time totally and utterly lost when considering things in hindsight.

I personally pity the humans that give in to their hate often... I believe they are too mentally weak to overcome their base emotions and take control of their own destiny. But then again, that's me.


Never forget one thing, people: the only way to achieve TRUE FREEDOM is to rid yourself of the extremes. No fear, but no hope either. No hate, but no love either. Are you ready to take that step?

what about love? do we control love? or is it the other way around?