General Football/Soccer Talk

[[Q]]

Will falcao be enough to bring Man U back?

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[Phil89]

Will falcao be enough to bring Man U back?

Not really.

Defensively they are weak and the players don't seem to understand Van Gaal's system at all. They could improve later in the season if all the new players settle and they get used to the tactics, but top 4 would probably be out of the picture by that point.


The real winner of this transfer window was agent Jorge Mendes. He makes around 12% on each transfer made. Aka about €30million this window.

His clients include:

- Diego Costa
- Angel Di Maria
- James Rodriguez
- Radamel Falcao
- Bebé
- Nani
- Eliaquim Mangala
- Ezequiel Garay
- Fernando

The cynic in me wonders how many transfers each year are more about agents wanting money than players actually wanting to move.



Oh, and as a Liverpool fan it was really nice to spend a deadline day not even worrying about transfers.

[[Q]]

The real winner of this transfer window was agent Jorge Mendes. He makes around 12% on each transfer made. Aka about €30million this window.

Is that part of the reason why there are so many transfers in general? Is it a push by the agents?

[shadowgrin]

Financially it can also benefit the players since instead of your agent getting a percentage of your salary for the year his commission could instead be paid to him through a percentage of your transfer fee.
Player's don't get a cut from their own transfer fee, only the agents and selling team do.

Say Balotelli, he earns a base salary of £90,000/week or £4.7 million/year. His transfer fee is £16 million. Assume his agent gets 10% of his earnings and transfer fee.
From his salary he owes his agent £470,000/year as payment but since his agent gets £1.6 million from his transfer fee he doesn't have to pay that £470K for 3 years!

That's just a rough example though, I'm pretty sure the agent instead gets a smaller percentage of the salary if he gets a percentage of the transfer fee, say he gets 10% of the transfer fee so he reduces his cut from the salary to 3-5% instead of his usual commission of 10%. It also excludes sponsorship deals so the agent's cut still remains 10% from the deal even if he is being paid with a cut of the transfer fee.


Wanting a transfer is mostly on the player though since they usually get higher wages from their new team.
In Balotelli's case he took a paycut because he wanted to be back in the EPL and is tired of racism he gets in Italy from opposing fans during games.

Welbeck cost the same as Balotelli

I've already had enough of that from Arsenal fans complaining, I can't complain here by myself all over again.

Getting young English players and training them to be permanent World Cup material seems to be Wenger's new quest as he mentioned in an interview, wants at least 6 Arsenal players in the national team in the near future.
Probably his way of giving back to England for all his years managing in the country since his retirement could happen after his contract is up. This from a man who was criticized in the past for fielding all foreign players for his starting 11 and only 3 English players on the bench.

For all of Welbeck's negatives as a player he is Ferguson trained so I guess that's good (then again so is Cleverly) and fans are hoping that Arsenal can do for Welbeck what Liverpool did for Sturridge to be a good player.

The awkward moment when Arsene Wenger is building an English side better than Hodgson.

[Phil89]

The real winner of this transfer window was agent Jorge Mendes. He makes around 12% on each transfer made. Aka about €30million this window.

Is that part of the reason why there are so many transfers in general? Is it a push by the agents?

It certainly contributes to it. Some agents even own small percentages of their players' economic rights and receive part of the transfer fee. So they may not always act in their clients best interest, aka Falcao to Monaco.

In 2009, Mendes was reported to have made £4 million from Ronaldo's £80 million transfer from Manchester United to Real Madrid.

Just look at Mendes' clients: http://www.transfermarkt.com/gestifute/ ... erater/413

Most have had big money transfers to big teams and I wouldn't bet against William Carvalho being the next one.

I've already had enough of that from Arsenal fans complaining, I can't complain here by myself all over again.

Getting young English players and training them to be permanent World Cup material seems to be Wenger's new quest as he mentioned in an interview, wants at least 6 Arsenal players in the national team in the near future.
Probably his way of giving back to England for all his years managing in the country since his retirement could happen after his contract is up. This from a man who was criticized in the past for fielding all foreign players for his starting 11 and only 3 English players on the bench.

For all of Welbeck's negatives as a player he is Ferguson trained so I guess that's good and fans are hoping that Arsenal can do for Welbeck what Liverpool did for Sturridge to be a good player.

The awkward moment when Arsene Wenger is building an English side better than Hodgson.

Welbeck isn't a terrible player. Just a bit overpriced. Maybe a change of scenery, manager and a starting role (at least whilst Giroud is injured) will help him improve.

So in the next few years the England squad will be half Arsenal players and half Liverpool.

[shadowgrin]

https://twitter.com/Unitedology/status/ ... 76/photo/1

[Phil89]

^ What about Fellaini?




Man Utd really spending to get back into the top four...

If it wasn't for the Suarez sale (and Liverpool buying replacements), Utd would have spent nearly twice as much as any other team this window.

[shadowgrin]

Woohoo Arsenal still in 4th place, consistency!



Why the fuck did the official WWE account in UK do this?

#WelcomeWelbeck to @Arsenal. Good luck from the WWE Universe and remember... #WeBolieveInYou

[Phil89]

That's bizarre


So is this:



Twitter seems to think that Alberto Moreno is the love-child of Alonso and Gerrard




Damn FIFA for having an international break after only 3 games of the new season. The Spurs win got me all excited and now it's two weeks before the next match.

[SoF'nAwesome]

It has been a while since ManU played without an AZN

[[Q]]

ManU = racists. no PT for Kagawa. What a waste.

[formx]

It has been a while since ManU played without an AZN

They already had a Chinese, Korean, and a Japanese guy. imo, probably gonna get a Taiwanese dude by the next transfer window.

[shadowgrin]

Despite not playing enough games Kagawa's shirt sales were 9th in the EPL last season.
Kagawa brings in the £€$. Pretty sure Man Utd will miss him even if he's just a bench player for them.

Alberto Moreno

[Phil89]

https://vine.co/v/MlBqvDHL9aL

[shadowgrin]

[Phil89]

Damn FIFA and their two-week long international break after only a few games of the new European season Boring


At least Australia finally won a match though.... against Saudi Arabia

[Phil89]

And the EPL is back tonight. Arsenal vs Man City should be a great game.

I have to stay up until 2:30am tonight to watch Liverpool vs Aston Villa and be up at 4:30am on Wednesday morning to watch Liverpool's first CL match. The only thing I dislike about living in Australia is the timezone.

[Phil89]

Liverpool manage to win in their first game back in the CL in 5 years against Ludogorets. Was a horrible game to watch though. I don't think I've felt less joy in watching Liverpool win a match than I did this morning. I just can't believe this is the same team that destroyed Spurs a few weeks ago.

At least Balotelli got his first goal and Liverpool got the 3 points.




Saw the stats and highlights from the Dortmund-Arsenal game. Seems like Arsenal were lucky it was only 2-0

[shadowgrin]

I had to wake up early just to watch that, what a waste.
Other than those Welbeck missed shots and Bellerin dribbling to nowhere then losing the ball I barely remember Arsenal's key players touching the ball and that includes the defense. That Dortmund pressing was insane.

Players were tentative and afraid to move. Wenger should have benched Ozil, Ramsey, and Arteta and started Rosicky, Chamberlain, and Flamini instead, those three may be less skilled but they would be willing to fight it out against that press and move to attack and defend. Even if they did bad can't blame too much on the back four because those are the only available healthy defenders.

Arsenal got their ass handed to them by Dortmund with no Kagawa, Hummels, and Reus because of injuries.

[Phil89]

[stereoxide]

Well Boateng's goal must be really special. I hope Chelsea beats their asses this weekend.

[shadowgrin]

Good or bad, Balotelli will always entertain.

That's not a bib Balo!

Well Boateng's goal must be really special.

Goal: https://vine.co/v/OWed1FmwIzA

Pep so happy about it: https://vine.co/v/OWepa0YpAhQ

[Phil89]

I hope Balotelli can find his scoring boots whilst Sturridge is injured. Also hope that Lallana can start playing like a £25 million player, instead of a dud like he has so far.

Liverpool need to play better against West Ham tomorrow. I don't want to stay up until 4am again to watch another crap performance.

[Phil89]