2012 U.S. Presidential Election

[chicagoRAW]

As bad as Mitt Romney is, at least he hasn't murdered any Americans without due process, raided legal medical marijuana joints, shipped batches of illegal guns to Mexican drug gangs, stolen assets from shareholders to benefit political cronies, signed and defended the NDAA, involved us in more undeclared wars, etc.

I can guarantee you that Mitt Romney will not do any of these things for at least three months.

Fox News called, they want you back.

And medical marijuana is not legal by federal law.

[benji]

What did I say that's "Faux News" crap? Every single thing is true.

And:

Back when he was running in 2008, Obama said he supported the “basic concept of using medical marijuana for the same purposes and with the same controls as other drugs” and that he was “not going to be using Justice Department resources to try to circumvent state laws."

...

Attorney General Eric Holder, who announced in a March 2009 press conference that the raids would stop on distributors who were in compliance with state and local law.

At least Lamrock has a Senate candidate who supports 502 and "legalization" though he'll probably vote against him and instead for the multi-millionaire drug war and NDAA supporter.

[Lamrock]

I voted for Cantwell because I believe Obama will win the election and would prefer less gridlock. She's definitely going to win though, so it doesn't really matter. The hardest vote was Rob McKenna vs. Jay Inslee. I was so dead set on voting Inslee, having met him and seeing him use my brother's workplace in a commercial. However, they ran the shittiest campaign they could, offering nothing but lies and smears against McKenna. He'll still probably win since we're a blue state, but he's definitely the much weaker candidate.

Obama has done so many awful things I disagree with but nearly everything Mitt Romney has to say is lies, and his foreign policy is absolutely terrifying. I'll be fairly upset if Mitt wins.

I'll be filling this map out on election night as the states are revealed.

[shadowgrin]

If you're a big Obama fan and you're game in reading some drivel...

http://www.vanityfair.com/politics/2012 ... rack-obama

[kevin02]

http://news.yahoo.com/my-plea-to-the-undecideds--stay-home--05095507.html

Good article

[shadowgrin]

You have the reasoning power of a baked potato.

This. Applies to voters for most elections not just U.S.

Unlike the Australians, we don’t compel people to vote, and it would likely be a First Amendment violation if we tried.

Zing.

[Andrew]

"Compel" is such a harsh word. Our glorious leaders prefer "creatively and actively encourage", and so do we.

[rise]

It's sad when your vote is a "not-Mitt Romney" vote rather than a "for Barack Obama" vote, but that's what I did. Neither candidate really makes me thrilled, but a Mitt Romney presidency will essentially be Bush 2.0 and I'm pretty sure everyone realizes by now that Bush kinda fucked things up a little. As Lamrock said, Obama's the (much) lesser of the two evils.

[Dc311]

I am going to go vote when everything opens in a few hours.I am voting for Gary Johnson.I know he is not going to win but I would rather contribute to trying to get him 5% of the vote in order to have three parties in the 2016 election.

[benji]

It's sad when your vote is a "not-Mitt Romney" vote rather than a "for Barack Obama" vote, but that's what I did.

The good thing is you can make a not-Romney and not-Obama vote like this hero:

I am going to go vote when everything opens in a few hours.I am voting for Gary Johnson.I know he is not going to win but I would rather contribute to trying to get him 5% of the vote in order to have three parties in the 2016 election.

When you're offered a false choice, the best method is to reject both.

Neither candidate really makes me thrilled, but a Mitt Romney presidency will essentially be Bush 2.0

No, Romney will be Bush 3.0. Obama has been Bush 2.0. He's continued or made worse every single Bush Administration policy. He even tried to get out of the agreement Bush made to leave Iraq. He's raided exponentially more marijuana dispensers than the Bush Admin ever did. Fast and Furious was a more fucked up gunwalking program. The GM theft Obama committed was worse than the Bush bailouts. His stimulus was more of a give away to cronies. NDAA goes farther than the Patriot Act. Bush at least got some form of Congressional approval for Iraq and Afghanistan, what did Obama get for Libya? Yemen? Pakistan? He's Bush 2.0.

At least we can have on record the people who support murdering Americans without due process and all the other absolutely horrible shit Obama has done because well, Romney must be worse than the worst President of the century even though they agree on nearly everything! Pay no attention to all the "loaded weapons" he's leaving around for Romney or Santorum or Palin to use!

At some point you can't support a murderous thug just because the other guy (and next potential murderous thug) wants to cut taxes instead of raising them.

Reject the false choice.

[Oznogrd]

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This is how i feel about sitting around waiting for the insanity tonight.

I made my false choice. I hovered over Jill Stein and couldnt bring myself to do it. Probably should have.

[benji]

Jammed the ballot counting machine with my ballot.

Take that democratic process!

[Lamrock]

Fast and Furious was a more fucked up gunwalking program.

I believe this started in 2006. Did Obama exacerbate it?

The GM theft Obama committed was worse than the Bush bailouts.

Didn't it save a million jobs though?

Holy shit, that's all I've got...

[JaoSming]

Jammed the ballot counting machine with my ballot.

Take that democratic process!

Come to Vermont!
"Sir, you need to please fold your ballot in half and place it in this box"
A cardboard box, with no top. This is living

[benji]

Took them like 15 minutes to figure out what was wrong with the machine. It was full. The thing said it was full, but they were completely flabbergasted. I think they emptied just because they were trying anything they could think of.

I believe this started in 2006. Did Obama exacerbate it?

Gunwalking did, and it was a stupid idea. The Bush Admin however was tracking the guns they allowed to "walk", the Obama Admin said "fuck it, who cares what happens to them" and specifically waived off lower totem pole people (including ATF agents and gun sellers) who caught onto the illegal sales and were trying to report/thwart them. It was either malice or incompetence.

Didn't it save a million jobs though?

It may have gave temporary reprieve to some GM workers when Bush bailed out GM and the whole affair certainly enriched the UAW, but what about the tens of thousands of Delphi workers who lost their jobs and pensions when bankruptcy law was circumvented by the Obama Admin? What about the shareholders who lost their holdings during the same? What about all the jobs that were lost when $65 billion in taxpayer money was shoved into two collapsing pension funds that happen to make cars? What about preventing the creative destruction just to reward cronies?

And I even forgot about Cash for Clunkers where the used car market was literally smashed and millions of poor people harmed in hopes of helping prop up the GM boondoggle.

[Lamrock]

Good points. While I still believe Obama is the lesser of two evils, either way the next four years will suck.

I voted like a week ago. It's really easy to vote in Washington.

[JaoSming]

woooo! Vermont!

MONTPELIER, Vt. -
The Associated Press has called the presidential race in Vermont for President Barack Obama. Vermont was the first state to be called for the president. The AP expects Obama to beat Republican challenger Mitt Romney.

The AP also expects Senator Bernie Sanders, I-Vermont, to return to Washington for another six years. The AP projects the incumbent independent will win over Republican John MacGovern.

The same is true in the race for Vermont's lone U.S. House seat. The AP projects that incumbent Democrat Peter Welch will defeat Republican Mark Donka to win his fourth term in Congress.

And the AP expects Gov. Peter Shumlin, D-Vermont, will beat Republican challenger Randy Brock to win a second term.

Those projections are based on exit polling.

Wooooooooooo!




Wooo....oo.....uh.....hm.

[bowdown]

Obama has 229 electoral votes so far, needs 41 more
Romney has 190

[JaoSming]

My friend flipping out over the Democrat Senate win in Massachusetts was the highlight of the night for me, or my wife refusing to believe Obama's won due to PTSD from 2000's election.

[kevC]

As a new young American, I can't help but think single issue voting and the two-party system is the bane of the American political system and is tearing the country apart. I feel for gay rights, women's rights, and have a lot of "liberal" views in many social issues. I also believe in small government and find Obama's foreign and economic policies dangerous and atrocious. These are unrelated issues that are unfortunately neatly divided into two columns for all intents and purposes under the two-party system. Where is my voice? Don't tell me Libertarian or any other third parties because an ideology without a real competent electoral presence is pointless. I know this has always been an unsolvable problem and I'm late to it, but it's hitting me hard right now as I join the American democratic process for the first time since I became an American citizen.

[benji]

I've been leaning towards this last couple months: http://www.270towin.com/2012_election_p ... ?mapid=jhe

For half an hour I thought this April 17th prediction was going to be my own personal 49/50. I'd be the next Nate Silver! Only less attractive and less successful. Maybe, I have no idea what he looks like.

[Patr1ck]

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[benji]

Trump is melting down: https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump

Where is my voice? Don't tell me Libertarian or any other third parties because an ideology without a real competent electoral presence is pointless.

The ruling party has stacked the deck. The resources needed just to get past all the ruling party gatekeepers that are enshrined in law and get on the ballot are huge, let alone to actually be able to campaign on an equal footing.

[JaoSming]

As a new young American, I can't help but think single issue voting and the two-party system is the bane of the American political system and is tearing the country apart. I feel for gay rights, women's rights, and have a lot of "liberal" views in many social issues. I also believe in small government and find Obama's foreign and economic policies dangerous and atrocious. These are unrelated issues that are unfortunately neatly divided into two columns for all intents and purposes under the two-party system. Where is my voice? Don't tell me Libertarian or any other third parties because an ideology without a real competent electoral presence is pointless. I know this has always been an unsolvable problem and I'm late to it, but it's hitting me hard right now as I join the American democratic process for the first time since I became an American citizen.

Imagine how pissed off people would be if there were 10-20 candidates poorly (but still the best possible) representing all the different voices this country has, yet the elected president would only get 15% of the popular vote due to regional views and campaigning. People are pissed that their voices aren't being heard with Bush and now Obama winning elections with barely 50%.

[RedPhazon8]

Well it looks like Obama has won at this point, lets see how this term goes.