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Postby [Q] on Tue Jun 19, 2018 1:49 am

Corbin and English both shaved their heads to get rid of the "long hair but balding" look

Surprised that Charlotte didn't win but not surprised about Alexa. The company can't get enough of her. She's already had long title reigns on both brands that have been truly uneventful. And to have her cash on the same night? They could have had her interfere and win tonight or another night without the need to the briefcase. It could have helped launch the career for someone else

Velveteen Dream is so awesome. I can't wait to see more of him
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Postby Andrew on Tue Jun 19, 2018 1:54 am

The amount of title reigns some of the women have in only a couple of years speaks volumes about how they've played hot potato with the belts. Women's wrestling is the best it's ever been in WWE, and there have been some great matches and good storylines, but also some terrible booking. Of course, it's probably no worse than the way the men have been booked these past few years, either. At least they've given AJ Styles a couple of good strong reigns with the real world title.
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Postby Lean on Tue Jun 19, 2018 5:34 pm

I've rewatched Money in the Bank last night, from the women's ladder match onwards -- although skipping Carmella vs Asuka. I thought it was a pretty solid PPV. I also think the women's MITB match was paced better, although I would rather have Becky win the case instead of Alexa.
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Re: Professional Wrestling (WWE, TNA, ROH, etc)

Postby Andrew on Tue Jun 19, 2018 7:58 pm

As has been said before, the in-ring product is generally pretty solid these days, it's just the booking or lack of coherent/well-told/interesting angles that brings the show down.
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Re: Professional Wrestling (WWE, TNA, ROH, etc)

Postby Lean on Wed Jun 20, 2018 6:36 am

WWE announced that they have come to terms with the release of Big Cass.

I won't forget how over both him and Enzo Amore were in NXT and in the main roster. I think splitting them up was a bad idea, and it just spiraled from there with Enzo's backstage attitude, Big Cass' injuries, and ultimately Enzo's rape case.

I never would have imagined that Carmella would outlast both Enzo and Cass from their stable in NXT.
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Postby [Q] on Wed Jun 20, 2018 7:49 am

They both seemed like stubborn hotheads and didn't ever seem to fit into the main roster picture
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Postby Andrew on Wed Jun 20, 2018 12:22 pm

The split and Cass' injuries didn't help matters, but they seemed to be lost in the shuffle, never really getting a push. Enzo got over, but his act got stale quickly, and then he shot himself in the foot. I think Cass needed a "Constable" Baron Corbin-type role to save his job, but that role is obviously taken.
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Postby Andrew on Thu Jun 21, 2018 1:12 am

Wrestling Legend Big Van Vader Dead At 63

Vader aka Big Van Vader — who wrestled in WWE, WCW and all over the world — has passed away at the age of 63-years-old … this according to his family.

One of Vader’s children tweeted from his account saying, “It is with a heavy heart to inform everyone that my father, Leon White, passed away on Monday night (6/18/18) at approximately 7:25pm.”

Adding, “Around a month ago my father was diagnosed with a severe case of Pneumonia. He fought extremely hard and clinically was making progress. Unfortunately, on Monday night his heart had enough and it was his time.”


He hadn't been well for some time so it's not a surprise, but still sad news all the same. It's a shame he never got a proper run in WWE, thanks to Vince's myopia, and HBK's backstage politicking. RIP.
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Re: Professional Wrestling (WWE, TNA, ROH, etc)

Postby Lean on Thu Jun 21, 2018 1:32 am

Damn, rest in peace.
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Postby [Q] on Thu Jun 21, 2018 1:40 am

IT'S TIME
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IT'S VADER TIME
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Re: Professional Wrestling (WWE, TNA, ROH, etc)

Postby Andrew on Thu Jun 21, 2018 3:32 am

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Re: Professional Wrestling (WWE, TNA, ROH, etc)

Postby deihatein on Fri Jun 22, 2018 5:03 pm

Sami Zayn is injured and won't be back till 2019. Hopefully he comes back strong and creative will have something for him.
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Re: Professional Wrestling (WWE, TNA, ROH, etc)

Postby Lean on Fri Jun 22, 2018 5:30 pm

Heard that he's been working with that injury since August last year.

I like his heel run because he's just this obnoxious character, but I only see Sami Zayn as the underdog face that goes against the odds. I'm hoping that he returns as a face.
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Re: Professional Wrestling (WWE, TNA, ROH, etc)

Postby Andrew on Fri Jun 22, 2018 6:47 pm

Agreed. His heel run has been good, but it feels like he'll ultimately be more successful as a face everyone can get behind for an underdog success story. Daniel Bryan comes to mind.
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Re: Professional Wrestling (WWE, TNA, ROH, etc)

Postby bigh0rt on Tue Jun 26, 2018 6:08 am

Andrew wrote:Agreed. His heel run has been good, but it feels like he'll ultimately be more successful as a face everyone can get behind for an underdog success story. Daniel Bryan comes to mind.

There's definitely some of that Bryan underdog face stuff to Sami, but his entire run as a face in WWE, I just found him to blah and boring, and couldn't get behind him. He seemed just so bland. He'll need to be written and booked well in order to make it work, because from my perspective, the only time since he was in NXT that I've given even a little bit of a crap about Sami was as a heel. He's an immense talent, but overall I think has massively underwhelmed.
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Postby [Q] on Tue Jun 26, 2018 7:28 am

I agree. I've never liked his character but he has great work inside the ring. His match against Nakamura is one of if not the top favorite matches of all time for me.

I think Vince has the same idea where he might see him as another one of those "small indie guys"

Same reason why a lot of top talented little guys wind up leaving
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Postby Andrew on Tue Jun 26, 2018 11:23 am

Are you suggesting his character is a little too El Generico? :P
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Postby Lean on Thu Jun 28, 2018 3:26 am

Kevin Owens is gold. :lol:

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The story here is that Owens got tickets from his wife to Shania Twain's concert, and he's constantly tweeting Shania to play a specific song in this Montreal concert.
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Postby Lean on Mon Jul 16, 2018 5:23 pm

I completely forgot Extreme Rules today. I woke up two hours into the PPV, and just caught Styles vs Rusev and Rollins vs Ziggler. Shame that Styles seemingly won't ever main event a PPV as long as he is on Smackdown.
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Postby Andrew on Mon Jul 16, 2018 7:16 pm

He's getting the CM Punk treatment: a long reign with the oldest and most prestigious championship in the company, but not given the main event slot.
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Postby [Q] on Tue Jul 17, 2018 1:52 am

It's crazy because they recognize his popularity by keeping the belt on him, selling his merch, and putting him on the cover of 2k but they'd rather push Rollins and reigns
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Re: Professional Wrestling (WWE, TNA, ROH, etc)

Postby Andrew on Tue Jul 17, 2018 2:14 am

Lingering A Show, B Show mentality.
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Postby bigh0rt on Tue Jul 17, 2018 8:42 am

To be fair, fans have been clamoring forever to "restore the prestige" of the IC Title, and then complain when it Main Events a big (sort of) show. Now, I don't think I"d main event it on a show where the World Title is also being defended, as it was last night, but at least they had the Iron Man Match stipulation tied to it, which I think played a role in it being the headline event. Styles vs. Rusev was a good match, as was Rollins vs. Ziggler, albeit, to a lesser degree. Hell, even Reigns vs. Lashley was a good match, despite just horrible build up. Owens took an unbelievable bump from the top of the cage through a table after entertaining with Strowman. Orton looks to be a heel again, which is the best version of himself, though I'd rather not see him at all. Shinsuke vs Jeff Hardy was a strange one, but I like the result and at least Shinsuke has character now and I have a reason to cheer or boo for him, unlike guys like Finn Balor who the WWE can't quite figure out what to do with or what direction to go with, and whose match with Corbin felt like an absolute waste of time. The women's matches were pretty bad, but overall I liked this PPV a lot better than what seems to be the general reaction I've seen. The biggest issue I had was the build up to basically every single match over the past month was awful. I didn't care about a single match heading into the PPV. They're trying on some of them, like with Braun and Owens, but even there it's falling very flat. They've forgotten the 'entertainment' part of sports entertainment. I'm okay with smarmy Carmella beating the superior Asuka with old tried and true smarmy heel tactics, as long as it's entertaining. More often than not though, it feels like it's failing to be that.
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Postby [Q] on Tue Jul 17, 2018 9:12 am

Props to KO for that Mankind bump from the top of the cage.

IC belt is basically the prestigious belt on the show now that the Universal championship belt isn't on the show. Glad they put it on a well deserving Dolph. Drew has been money and can't wait to see where they go

Jeff Hardy squash job could be a way to sell legit injuries and time off.

I liked the tables match on the preshow. Smackdown still has its moments but raw is just super lacking in anything remotely interesting
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Re: Professional Wrestling (WWE, TNA, ROH, etc)

Postby Andrew on Tue Jul 17, 2018 10:14 am

Is it fair to say they have too much potential main event talent on the roster to know what to do with? Obviously that's a good problem to have on paper, but when combined with the problem of not being able to tell good stories or give matches without a title belt meaning, it means that talent is going to waste.
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Re: Professional Wrestling (WWE, TNA, ROH, etc)

Postby bigh0rt on Tue Jul 17, 2018 10:50 am

Andrew wrote:Is it fair to say they have too much potential main event talent on the roster to know what to do with? Obviously that's a good problem to have on paper, but when combined with the problem of not being able to tell good stories or give matches without a title belt meaning, it means that talent is going to waste.

Absolutely. And they’re having consistent, quality matches. They’ve just gotta get some interesting ways to tell stories and make me invested in the participants.
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Postby Andrew on Tue Jul 17, 2018 11:41 am

It emphasises the need to, as you said, remember the "entertainment" part of sports entertainment. If you look back at the Attitude Era, the in-ring style wasn't as flashy (though still entertaining, in my view), but the stories and characters were better. It wasn't just the more adult themes and language either, though it does help when your babyfaces aren't calling heels poopyheads and the like. Beyond that though, there were interesting stories up and down the card. Austin vs. McMahon, with the world title involved. Undertaker vs. Kane. DX vs The Nation, which involved Triple H and The Rock. Mick Foley was doing interesting things with all three of his personas. There were some silly stories too of course (especially in the lower card) but generally speaking, the characters and the feuds resonated for the most part. The big names were involved in good feuds that didn't necessarily need a title, and different challengers stepped up to Stone Cold at different times as he took on all comers.

I think the same goes for the Ruthless Aggression era, and the years that came in between it and the era that started around 2013/2014. That's not to say there weren't mistakes and missed opportunities - Cena Wins LOL, no Cena heel turn, Alberto Del Rio, etc - as no era has been flawless, and it would be unreasonable to expect that. The current era has felt poorly booked and less than it could be though, especially considering the amount of talent on the roster and the in-ring product.
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Postby [Q] on Tue Jul 17, 2018 3:16 pm

I think part of it is that the guys aren't as talented/creative as the all time greats in the attitude era were and/or the writers simply aren't putting them in a position to succeed. They have to stick so closely to the script nowadays that grabbing the brass ring is a pipe dream for most.

I think they have done an okay job at dealing with the talent for the most part. The "mid card" titles have become a 1B type of championship now with Brock sitting at home and with the belt stuck on AJ. I thought they would have dropped it to Shinsuke but shockingly they turned him and now the US title reign is a good way to put the belt on him without compromising AJs run

Unfortunately there will be people left out and Finn seems like the perennial odd man out now and Samoa Joe has been surprisingly missing and even The Bar have been idle with the Bludgeons dominance
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Postby Lean on Tue Jul 17, 2018 6:44 pm

I think Smackdown is going the NXT route with the constant shuffling of people to be on TV. Sad to say, I still hate Raw for what it is and I think the reason for it to be boring is because of the missing world champion, and the 3-hour stretch they're running with. Not to say that Smackdown is flawless, but I felt it's easier to watch, and a lot more is going on like Becky potentially being the next contender because of her recent winning streak (and Charlotte's absence), Team Hell No reunion, Sanity going up, Almas going back on TV, etc. I'm also thinking that Smackdown would probably benefit with a 3-hour show but it may turn out to be a drag like Raw is today.

Would it have been nice if Braun did a cash-in on Brock outside the WWE and then let them just get rid of Brock and his ridiculous contract?

Andrew wrote:Is it fair to say they have too much potential main event talent on the roster to know what to do with? Obviously that's a good problem to have on paper, but when combined with the problem of not being able to tell good stories or give matches without a title belt meaning, it means that talent is going to waste.


This is true. I think if anything, the main roster people should take a look at NXT. NXT only has an hour of weekly shows on the Network but I feel uses their on-TV roster better than Raw or Smackdown. And that's why it pains me when NXT stars get called up because they usually get lost in the main roster.
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Postby Andrew on Tue Jul 17, 2018 7:23 pm

It's interesting how they've turned Brock Lesnar's part time status into an angle and a source of heel heat. However, it's telling that they still couldn't get Roman Reigns over as a face with it, mostly because the idea of him complaining about someone else getting all the breaks and special treatment came across as laughable. The massive pop Kurt Angle received when he announced he would strip Lesnar of the title if he didn't show up to defend it shows how it's not just "nerdy smarks" that want to see the belt on TV and on a full time talent. Fans are weary of the story. It's time for Lesnar to put someone over.

Unfortunately, they haven't done a great job of making it look like there's anyone who can feasibly challenge Lesnar. Strowman has been protected for the most part, but has clean losses to Lesnar as well as Reigns, who has himself lost clean to Lesnar; more on that in a moment. Lashley hasn't lost to him yet, so he seems a viable threat by default, at least for the moment. The aforementioned Reigns has come up short time and time again; as much as Reigns Wins LOL is a problem, having him lose to Lesnar over and over again has hurt his character even further by making the pushes seem worthless, and by proxy, hurt the wrestlers he's scored victories over (with the exception of The Undertaker, who is at the end of his career, and whose legacy is secure). By having Reigns come up short, he looks like a choker.

Their booking of Lesnar has resulted in a predictable product with repetitive and dull matches, one of the worst main events in Wrestlemania history, a very divisive moment (ending The Streak), a worthless world title, and a roster that's been made to look weak. If Lesnar goes away and they start building people up again then WWE can move past it like some of the previous Dark Ages/down years they've had, but there's quite a bit of damage to repair. The sad part is that Lesnar will probably leave the company without ever really putting anyone over (except Goldberg), after so many selflessly took part in glorified squash matches to make him look good. All he's been good for is the occasional spike in ratings (which still haven't been eye-popping), and setting the company back several years, in the process wasting the prime of some of the best full time talents. SummerSlam 2018 really needs to be the end of it. Let him go back to UFC, and move on with the people who care about giving themselves fully to the company and business.
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Re: Professional Wrestling (WWE, TNA, ROH, etc)

Postby bigh0rt on Thu Jul 19, 2018 8:50 am

Lean wrote:I'm also thinking that Smackdown would probably benefit with a 3-hour show but it may turn out to be a drag like Raw is today.
RAW cutting back to being a 2-hour program is maybe the best thing that could possibly happen to it. Focus on filling 2 hours of quality, entertaining television where you only use your best stories and talent, and I'm not left feeling like half of the show is filler. SmackDown being 2-hours is great, and I never, ever feel like "man, I wish there was another hour of this to watch". We're in an era where everyone is complaining about the length of sporting events, and being tied to their televisions, and have more flexibility on how they consume media than ever before. A 3-hour weekly program that feels every minute as long as it is, is a poor product (maybe it brings tremendous revenue to the WWE, but I'm just talking from an enjoyment perspective). Cut to 2 hours. Rotate the talent. Let us miss superstars and enjoy their returns after a few week hiatus, instead of forcing them into nonsense. Let them put on quality payoff matches where we're not already exhausted of having seen them square off for four straight weeks already.
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Re: Professional Wrestling (WWE, TNA, ROH, etc)

Postby [Q] on Thu Jul 19, 2018 9:09 am

Yeah that's how they did it on the original Monday Night Raw broadcasts... That NXT style where not everyone shows up every week. Like these days, every time I see a favorite like Velveteen Dream or Street Profits show up it's a treat. Do some dark matches for the people who actually show up and you're good.

Smackdown inadvertently does that since some people won't make the 2 hour show and hell even with Charlotte's surgery it's allowed Becky to finally get some shine. And with Nakamura's dog bite injury or Jeff Hardy being all beat up, we see some cool matches or guys thrown in there to fill the spots

Who the hell wants to see lashley vs reigns when we just literally saw that last week? When they have feuds and dudes are fighting each other in meaningless matches for weeks on end or in tag matches against each other just for the sake of the live audience
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Re: Professional Wrestling (WWE, TNA, ROH, etc)

Postby Andrew on Thu Jul 19, 2018 11:14 am

The Bayley/Sasha feud is a fine example of nonsensical writing. Since when is it mandatory for two wrestlers to get along when they have a falling out? Isn't that when they should end up fighting each other, not be ordered to attend counselling? Kurt Angle's character ends up looking stupid too when he stresses that they "settle things in the ring", but does so by putting Bayley and Banks in a tag team match instead of squaring off against each other. "You better get along, or one of you is going to get traded"; because we don't want people who don't get along and are willing to fight on this show like it's pro wrestling or something, thank you very much!

It's obviously about prolonging the feud, and lengthy feuds aren't a bad idea, especially when done well so that everyone can get invested. But this is just bad writing (with some false starts) in an attempt to have a slow burn, which they were already doing. I also think they're trying to turn the wrong person, as Banks was being set up as the heel, and her character is more fitted to being tweaked in that direction.
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