Trade Kobe For T-Mac..........ESPN.com

[Matt]

so heres the article
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/columns/s ... id=1651067

personally i'd trade for PP34 rather than T-Mac, or maybe even Ray Allen

[BIG GREEN]

Paul Peirce and Ray allen are great all-stars but they aren't as good as kobe and t-mac imo. No other SG in the league are better than t-mac and kobe cept mabe carter if he can stay off the injured list.

[Nel]

This ain't happenin.

[Fresh8]

IMO... no one in da league is as good as Kobe/T-mac (no matter which one is better than the other!)...no one can fill Kobe's spot on LA better than T-mac would! And if Kobe went to Orlando...hey- he'll have an awesome season...or however long he goes if he does...

I think that if Kobe wants to stay in LA...he should stay...
If not...than get traded to Orlando...
Or if he tests free agency...go to Utah (Doubt he'd want to!)
But it'd be cool to see him go to Madison Square Garden or to the Bulls! (I'm dreamin'!)

[Andrew]

An interesting proposal, and one that could work out for both teams. But I think both the Lakers and Magic will call their respective superstars' bluff - Kobe will opt out, but I still don't see him moving on unless the feud with Shaq isn't really patched up, just being kept behind closed doors. T-Mac on the other hand will probably walk given the chance.

[EGarrett]

Sooo...T-Mac walks on Toronto because he was in Vince's shadow...then he walks from Orlando...the team where he's the star? What does the guy want?

[Andrew]

I guess he wants to be the star, but he'd like a sidekick...or maybe he wouldn't mind be an All-Star sidekick to a player who plays a different position (eg Shaq). I'd suggest he's happy with his individual status and his role with the Magic, but he'd prefer some more help, something that's difficult to come by with Hill's contract still on the books.

[Shep]

Sooo...T-Mac walks on Toronto because he was in Vince's shadow...then he walks from Orlando...the team where he's the star? What does the guy want?

the guy wants to win. and he looks around the magic locker room and he doesn't see that team winning spit.

-tmac is clearly a better player than bryant

[Stevan]

Kobe for T-Mac? That trade is way un-fair for Orlando, trading T-Mac for Kobe and his court case is too much. The fans would be very upset...

[.]

The Magic wouldnt do that trade neither the Lakers.

Lakers owner Jerry Buss said:

"I'm not about to trade my son," Buss said. "Kobe is clearly going to end up on a level that maybe only two or three other players have achieved, and I want to be around to see him when he reaches his peak, which is still many years away."

according to LA Times

[Matt]

well maybe he's staying but it's still cool to speculate

anyway, i know that T-Mac is roughly on the same level as Kobe but i feel that somehow that PP34 would make a better fit in LA

[paul_pierce_the_truth]

Will not happen.

Tracy McGrady is a selfish player, starting to act a bit nuts, but if you dealt with the Grant Hill situation for years, throw in the fact Orlando considers adding free agents to be Juwan Howard and Tyronn Lue, you just might be acting like a jerk too.

Getting Kobe would be a great move with no way to lose really.
First thing you get is massive attention and at least one year of complete home sellouts, if you think Orlando fans would be mad about bringing in Kobe for TMac, they would get over it quickly and hurry down to TD to see him.

If Kobe goes to prison or leaves for free agency, you have just opened up the 13 million and I must believe Grant Hill will retire if he missses another year, that's another 6.5 salary cap exception (approx). So you could sign one or more free agents and still have Drew Gooden and some younger players.

Will not happen.

Tracy McGrady is not better than Paul Pierce, more athletic and more options is all, I believe Paul is as good as Kobe and TMac, only Kobe seems better in some regards, but not many. McGrady was closed down by Detroit in Game 7 last year. I think if Paul were in Orlando and had freedoms such as McGrady, 30ppg would be no problem, afterall he scored 26 ppg with a complete ballhog standing right next to him.
Kobe scored 30 ppg with Shaq getting his, imagine if he were alone in Orlando. McGrady showed that a talented player with the right system, could put up some big numbers, kind of like Iverson in Philadelphia.
Iverson in Orlando would be 35 ppg or 40 ppg. Kobe would be the MVP in Orlando.

Tracy McGrady is very good, but I question him as a person and his heart for team play and commitment to a coach. Sometimes I believe McGrady cares about McGrady and not much else. But I could be wrong, afterall he has never had a team there.

Just want to throw this in somewhere without making a post for it.
I wish Boston would offer Tony Battie to Phoenix for Brevin Knight.
I am not a big fan of Knight's, but his $6 million dollar contract runs out at season's end, brings a court awareness and ballhandling skills that Boston needs so badly and frees up the log jam at Center and power forward.
Also I believe Eric Williams and Jiri Welsch should share the minutes that Kedrick Brown has no idea what to do with at small forward. (I do not know what is going on with Jumaine Jones) Welsch looks very comfortable on the court, he is a good passer, shooter and has good skills, unlike the scary Kedrick Brown.
Phoenix needs big people.

Boston wouldn't trade PP for Kobe, the contract situation and the legal situation rules out Kobe for Boston's best player. I wouldn't trade PP for McGrady either, Paul is the leader and is very untouchable.

[VCFAN]

I completely agree with u Paul Pierce the Truth. T-Mac cares more about his personal stats over the teams standings.

Thats the reason he left Toronto IMO, he didn't want to be in Vince's shadow. If he would of stayed in Toronto they could have been an extremely good team.

[BIG GREEN]

Hey Mike Davis aka paul_pierce_the_truth

...let's look at stats shall we? And according to T-mac's and Peirce's stats over at nba.com....T-mac is the better player. He leads in almost every major career statistical category except where Peirce has more turnovers per game and 3 more points per game. Don't even bother to look at last season's stats(although its the right comparison) because that makes Peirce look even smaller compared now.

I didn't think it would be a question..let alone an argument who the best shooting guards in the nba are. I believe anyone who puts any shooting guard above kobe and t-mac are obviously just fans of that player. One cannot really look to fans for objective points of views now can they?

About T-mac staying in toronto....i think we'd never know what would have happened. T-mac left toronto to let himself blossom...and look at the result. Mabe if he stayed in canada he would have never been the player he is today. Then again...mabe he could have developed under vince's shadow and still become the player he is today and thusly outshine vince. The two of them on one team garuntees a few nba finals births imo.

[Dramacydal]

i still think pierce fits in better in boston, they wouldnt get on with a selfish player like t-mac, on the other hand i think pierce wouldnt help orlando as much as t-mac does...
anyway, back 2 the real topic, i dont think a bryant-mcgrady trade would change anything, theyre very similar players (maybe kobes a lil bit better, jus a lil bit) so i dont see the point in this trade

[LeBron James]

damn,pointless to talk about this trade,it wount happen
shaq and kobe are still friends,no matter what they say to each other!(one wants to be leader,thats all.
kobe stays.
shaq and kobe will get some titles.they are good duo.i couldnt imagine shaq without kobe.
MAC to lakers?
YEAH RIGHT!

[Jay-Peso]

T-Mac is clearly better! He also sells tickets. The Magic care more about the tickets they sell rather than being good! DO you agree!?

[BIG GREEN]

Why and how is t-mac selfish when he has more assists per game and less turnovers than peirce? More assists means you set your teammates up more....and less turnovers mean you make less foolish ball handlings. Seems you guys are trying to hate on t-mac for the same reasons you hate on kobe....which is cause yall be sippin on that haterade.

[Jay-Peso]

There is no reason to hate. Especially on the top players in the NBA. If they are good don't cut them down, they must have done something right!

[paul_pierce_the_truth]

Both of the links go to Paul Pierce.

McGrady didn't have Antoine Walker handling the ball and shooting 582 three-pointers, plus a total of 1554 shots and commiting 260 turnovers.

Paul was never a one man show.

Orlando Field Goal Attempts: 6763 (82.5 per game) McGrady 1813 (24.2)
Boston Field Goal Attempts: 6509 (79.4) Pierce 1592 (20.2)

29.3% of team shots for McGrady and Orlando shot more than Boston.
25.4% of team shots for Pierce

More shots is usually more points, plus more touches is more assists.

I would rather have a team leader, than a dunk champion or whatever the heck McGrady the ballhogger is. Get a playoff series win under your belt Mr. McGrady.



http://www.nba.com/games/20030504/ORLDET/recap.html

http://www.nba.com/games/20030504/ORLDET/boxscore.html

McGrady has not advanced past the first round of the playoffs in his six-year career. But when Orlando won three of the first four games, McGrady talked prematurely about reaching the second round.

"This is the worst of all of (the playoff series losses)," McGrady said. "Before, I felt like we had to play almost perfect basketball to have a chance to win. This time, we were up 3-1 and it was right there for us to take. If you want to be a great player in this league, when you lose a series, you have to come back stronger."

While McGrady struggled, Drew Gooden had 20 points and 17 rebounds for the Magic, who shot just 42 percent (33-of-79). But it was not nearly enough against the emotionally soaring Pistons.

"It just felt like the longer the series went on, the more their other guys showed their hands. They seemed like they had so many guys," Orlando coach Doc Rivers said. "To try to put this series on T-Mac would be wrong. I thought he did as much as a great player could do."

But great players ultimately are recognized on how they perform in critical games, and Sunday's disappearing act will undoubtedly hurt McGrady's reputation. For McGrady, familiarity may have resulted in his failure.

At least Boston won the Series vs. Indiana.

http://www.nba.com/games/20030501/INDBOS/recap.html



2002 Playoffs

No McGrady


Pierce scores 46, eliminates the 76ers in 5 games with 120-87 win.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/basket ... eltics_ap/

Boston knocks out Detroit in 4-1 smashing.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/basket ... istons_ap/

Boston goes six against New Jersey in East Finals

The Celtics pulled off the greatest fourth-quarter comeback in NBA playoff history Saturday night, with Pierce scoring 19 of his 28 points in the final 12 minutes as Boston overcame a 21-point deficit to beat the New Jersey Nets 94-90.

Let's talk about what matters here Mr. Thug, love McGrady, love to lose.

[BIG GREEN]

Alright Mike Davis aka paul_pierce_the_truth. I didn't bother to read your whole post but im assuming you have presented points to your claim of paul peirce being better. How bout we watch both their performances for this season and pick up this debate at the end of the year? Peirce has his own team now..just like t-mac. You're a fan of boston and peirce and im sure no amount of facts could currently change your mindset.

Anyway..back to topic. I wouldn't like to see t-mac trade places with kobe. I'd rather see t-mac do his own thing...mabe get a good low post player on the magic..and see where that takes them.

[paul_pierce_the_truth]

If you don't read the post, how can you judge the facts I present?

I would never debate someone so lazy.

T-Mac 5-20 vs. Knicks, the Magic score 68 points in the loss.

I understand the facts and I have the brains to read.

You believe Tracy McGrady is better and it's you who doesn't bother to budge from your position.

McGrady is another Dominique Wilkins, which is pretty good and fancy, but it not what winning is about, it's only entertainment.

Lazy Thug

Alright Mike Davis aka paul_pierce_the_truth. I didn't bother to read your whole post but im assuming you have presented points to your claim of paul peirce being better

[Old School Fool]

If T-Mac were still in Toronto....That would be SICK!


C- Chris Bosh
PF- Jerome Williams
SF- Vince Carter
SG- Tracy McGrady
PG- Mo Pete

[Vins15]

yeah i dont mind seeing VC and his cousin..probably best friend before T-Mac left for Magic....on the same team...probably a entertaining team and a wining team...

[paul_pierce_the_truth]

PG- Mo Pete

Uh, No.