Why do so many people hate on MJ? I go to the NBA 2K3 Forum and that's all they do. Man, I hate it when people say, "MJ didn't win crap until he had PIP & JAX," "Remember, he played with orlando woolridge, a 4 time all star, and george gervin, in mj's early years, and the bulls were .500 and knocked out in the first round,"this goes to show that shaq is better, he is going for the four peat with a bunch of crap teammates, and kobe, and they are 3-9 without diesel. old mj retires and the next year the bulls win 55 games and darn near beat the knicks to get to the finals, they lost in 7 games." I think I could easily put up valid arguments for those three statements(which I took from the NBA 2K3 forum). Here they are:
1) Yeah Pippen and Jax were factors in winning the Finals for the Bulls but what people don't seem to see is that MJ plays better with better people around him. And who's the person that no matter how well he did or didn't do in the regular season, always brought it up a notch come the playoffs. What people are doing is judging MJ by statistics, standings, other people's statistics. Had they even watch the playoffs during the 1990's, they would clearly see that MJ carried the Bulls. Now I know he had Pippen who also carried a load and Paxson/Kerr who would make that ONE big shot. He couldn't have won a championship without Pippen, but neither could've Pippen without MJ.
2) Yes MJ did play with the great George Gervin but that was the year that Michael was injured and limited to 18 games. That was Gervin's last year in the NBA and he averaged 16.2 ppg. He played with Woolridge for two years, one of them being the year that MJ was injured and Mj's rookie year. Woolridge averaged in the 20's. Though they played a full season together, MJ was a rookie, not the same player that he was in his prime.
3) And now we make the comparison to Michael and Shaq. Shaq started his career in Orlando and a league of great centers, Hakeen, Robinson, Shaq, Mutumbo and Mourning. Now the league has Shaq and uhhh....Vlade Divac? Shaq was an all-star but not yet up to the level that MJ was at, superstar. Michael had competition then in a well-balanced league and still does in a league now where the East is stacked gaurds of all types. Yet he still succeeds. Shaq is unstoppable but we all remember when he got swepped in the Finals by the Rockets.
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by GloveGuy on Sat Nov 23, 2002 12:07 pm
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by Andrew on Sat Nov 23, 2002 2:07 pm
People hate on MJ for the same reasons the hate on Kobe Bryant. Through the 90s, MJ was one of the most popular athletes, known throughout the globe thanks to not only the expanding television audiences but also through his commercials and endorsements. In recent times, it has become fashionable to dislike popular figures. An example of this can be found in pro wrestling. Back in the day, a character like Stone Cold Steve Austin would have played the bad guy, and been hated by the crowd. However, his anti-authoritarian character was loved by the fans. In basketball, guys like Michael Jordan who are clean cut and recognised as "good guys" are discarded in favour of guys like Allen Iverson, who is more rebellious. Thus, it's cool to dislike MJ, because of he's popular.
A more common reason would probably be the way he is hyped and marketed. None of that bothers me, because I am a Michael Jordan fan, but I can see how fans of other players and teams other than the Bulls/Wizards would be annoyed by the fact that their teams and players - who are also doing things that deserve recognition - are pushed aside and the spotlight focused on one player.
It's in our nature to take a dislike to something that is forced upon us. Because MJ has so much commercial value, the NBA hypes him and in some ways forces him upon people who are passionate about another team and support another player. The NBA sometimes seems to be telling the fans who to cheer for - the result? Dislike for that player.
I think that the "tall poppy" syndrome comes into play. Michael Jordan has had a successful basketball career, having played an important role on six championship teams, and achieving various statistical marks that can be used to highlight his talents. His accomplishments make him stand above other basketball players. It is also human nature to want to "cut down" these "tall poppies" that stand over us, because we feel that in reality they are no better than anyone else just because of a single accomplishment or claim to fame. It's the same reason intelligent students are ridiculed in schools, with the idea "it's not cool to be smart". Likewise, MJ is ridiculed because he has credentials that stand him apart from other basketball players.
Finally, some of it is simply some fans are so passionate about their own favourite players and teams they dislike all others. In Michael Jordan's career, there have been 27 teams that have always been an opponent of his. That makes him another enemy and obstacle in the way of the ultimate goal of winning a championship.
A more common reason would probably be the way he is hyped and marketed. None of that bothers me, because I am a Michael Jordan fan, but I can see how fans of other players and teams other than the Bulls/Wizards would be annoyed by the fact that their teams and players - who are also doing things that deserve recognition - are pushed aside and the spotlight focused on one player.
It's in our nature to take a dislike to something that is forced upon us. Because MJ has so much commercial value, the NBA hypes him and in some ways forces him upon people who are passionate about another team and support another player. The NBA sometimes seems to be telling the fans who to cheer for - the result? Dislike for that player.
I think that the "tall poppy" syndrome comes into play. Michael Jordan has had a successful basketball career, having played an important role on six championship teams, and achieving various statistical marks that can be used to highlight his talents. His accomplishments make him stand above other basketball players. It is also human nature to want to "cut down" these "tall poppies" that stand over us, because we feel that in reality they are no better than anyone else just because of a single accomplishment or claim to fame. It's the same reason intelligent students are ridiculed in schools, with the idea "it's not cool to be smart". Likewise, MJ is ridiculed because he has credentials that stand him apart from other basketball players.
Finally, some of it is simply some fans are so passionate about their own favourite players and teams they dislike all others. In Michael Jordan's career, there have been 27 teams that have always been an opponent of his. That makes him another enemy and obstacle in the way of the ultimate goal of winning a championship.
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by Toche on Sat Nov 23, 2002 2:49 pm
Andrew hit the nail over there! The main reason there are MJ haters is because he has been successful in what he does. You will have a hard time finding a vinsanity hater or a CWebb hater, 'cause this guys have not prove anything! .
About the Shaq argument...I do think he is the second best center in NBA history, after Hakeem (I also think Wilt is seriously overrated), when is healthy he's too quick, big and strong for anybody to stop him. If the Lakers win the 4th and the 5th and whatever it will be all Shaq!. It appears that Kobe is for real,but he has to get out of LA to prove it! But...yes, there's a but.. he aint a leader, MJ is a leader, that's the way he is so damn special, theres a lot of talent out there but they are not leaders!(CWebb, TMac) (Scottie and DRobinson in their prime)
About the Shaq argument...I do think he is the second best center in NBA history, after Hakeem (I also think Wilt is seriously overrated), when is healthy he's too quick, big and strong for anybody to stop him. If the Lakers win the 4th and the 5th and whatever it will be all Shaq!. It appears that Kobe is for real,but he has to get out of LA to prove it! But...yes, there's a but.. he aint a leader, MJ is a leader, that's the way he is so damn special, theres a lot of talent out there but they are not leaders!(CWebb, TMac) (Scottie and DRobinson in their prime)
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by HomieGee on Sat Nov 23, 2002 3:36 pm
I think that he is good but we have to let go the fact that he was teh best...
i don't think he was teh best
Wilt Chamberlain, Bill Russell and Kareem Abdul-Jabbar were better...they just never got the media and attention that Jordan got...
i don't think he was teh best
Wilt Chamberlain, Bill Russell and Kareem Abdul-Jabbar were better...they just never got the media and attention that Jordan got...
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by Stevan on Sat Nov 23, 2002 3:44 pm
Jordon is a foolish ballhog... He's overrated... It was all Pippen... The league was watered down... Wilt battled really nasty physical 6'8 centres...
LOL it just didn't feel like the NLSC without that
Those early bulls were a bunch of junkies, and Jordan took them to the playoffs every year, with the exception of his second which he was sidelined most of, but still helped secure a playoff berth regardless of management's attempt to tank games. What's interesting is that Kobe has been in a similar position lately, of playing on a team that wasn't built around him, maybe even lacking talent (although not as much as those bulls), and Kobe the proven NBA champ couldn't keep them above .500, and they would have missed the playoffs at this rate. HA! Jordan haters are like the milk man, they really have no purpose in todays society. There's just no use arguing.
LOL it just didn't feel like the NLSC without that
Those early bulls were a bunch of junkies, and Jordan took them to the playoffs every year, with the exception of his second which he was sidelined most of, but still helped secure a playoff berth regardless of management's attempt to tank games. What's interesting is that Kobe has been in a similar position lately, of playing on a team that wasn't built around him, maybe even lacking talent (although not as much as those bulls), and Kobe the proven NBA champ couldn't keep them above .500, and they would have missed the playoffs at this rate. HA! Jordan haters are like the milk man, they really have no purpose in todays society. There's just no use arguing.
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by Rens on Sat Nov 23, 2002 8:16 pm
You will have a hard time finding a vinsanity hater or a CWebb hater, 'cause this guys have not prove anything!
You're contradicting yourself here... you say they haven't proven anything, yet they both turned their respective teams around back to respectability. Neither the Kings nor the Raptors were anything great before these two guys came along. You ignoring this fact (or simple not knowing it?) might be a bit much to qualify for being a 'hater' but it sure does prove you're not in the nearest a fan of them, the kind of people some might call a 'hater'.
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by :digerati: on Sun Nov 24, 2002 2:41 am
Response From An Unbiased Person Like Myself:
What? No way...you play better with better players? Crazy mad logic...
Because then, Shaq was immature, and nowhere near the player he is today. Also, Hakeem and Horry were beasts in that series, Grant was somewhat injured and Nick Anderson decided free throws weren't his thing.
Or...they don't hate, and instead see and try to provide logical facts...
How false that is...unless clean cut means gambling, cheating on your wife, slave labor and how many other distasteful unethical acts...
Allen Iverson won over middle class America, because of that rebellious attitude of his that makes him work harder than anyone else to succeed, he throws his body around despite being the smallest player on the floor 95% of the time. The man swallowed his own blood to stay on the floor, that earned respect from me.
Ahhh...but they don't. Bill Russell had a successful basketball career, having played an very important role on eight championship teams, and achieving various statistical marks that can be used to highlight his talents. But yet...nobody ever "hates" on him...
You make it seem like this so-called "hating" is an epidemic. But, our own Fredy, stated that 95% (or more) percent of the world thinks Jordan is the greatest basketball player of all time and blah blah blah. Doesn't seem like an epidemic to me?
The only reason you're probably seeing a increase in criticism of Michael Jordan recently is for a number of reasons, Jordan was supposed to run roughshod through the NBA in this third return (the retiring and unretiring another thing that irked a number of people) and he hasn't making him look not as great to youngsters, then there's the fact of Jordan cheating on his wife for three years, nearly having a bastard child and calling his wife a PR move. Even in todays ethic-less society, that's still unacceptable, especially for a person who's so plastered all over the media (as you said). Compare it to Michael Jackson, he doesn't have as many fans nowdays because of his questionable-ethics antics and probably his apparent decline in ability.
I wouldn't go as far as to say that. Especially since there were many many posts on the old forum "hating" on those two.
We're ignoring all the rest of the centers in league history I see
Elaborate.
Just like Wilt?
Wrong. It will be the Lackers, not just Shaq, players don't win championships, teams do. Players like Jordan (and countless others) never won titles until they were matched with a team, Jordan had Pippen, Grant, Kerr/Paxton plus Big Chief Triangle. Just like Shaq now has Kobe, Horry, Fox, Fisher and Big Chief Triangle.
He hasn't shown he's for real over the last four years? Including this year?
I beg to differ...
Hitler and Stalin were leaders too...so is Usama Bin Laden...your point is?
Ugh...McGrady is clearly a leader or else the Magic wouldn't have survived without Hill. The Admiral was clearly a leader in the past or else the Spurs wouldn't have won so many games, true, now he's taken a backseat to Duncan, but this isn't his prime, it's the end of his road)
Well, there wasn't the massive media blitz back in those days. Infact, a lot about Wilt/Russel/Mikan/Fulks/etc. days are unknown, they didn't record blocks, or steals or minutes or even rebounds for a few years.
foolish? off the court...ballhog? yes...foolish ballhog on the court? nah...
If you say he's the best player ever, then yes...
What was?
What expansion does...
And many many bigger centers.
Or managements attempts to build a team around Jordan moving out the junkies. Remember those Bulls teams never were over .500 until Pippen, Grant and other pieces of the title teams came to town.
Jordan couldn't get his team above .500, Jordan had much more talent on his teams or else Kobe would have five, six teammates backing him up with 10+ppg, here's an article from a Chicago Tribune writer from ESPN.com on the topic: Shooting down the double-standard on Kobe (speaking of which...as much as I've disliked Sam Smith very much in the past, he's been writing some articles lately I have to agree with him on more than declare him an idiot like in the past)
You know...Hitler said the Jews had no purpose in todays society.
Yeah, I hate people expressing differing opinions or providing facts (not opinions) to dispute others biased faulty opinions too. Why don't we just ban free will and thought from the Earth?
Yeah Pippen and Jax were factors in winning the Finals for the Bulls but what people don't seem to see is that MJ plays better with better people around him.
What? No way...you play better with better players? Crazy mad logic...
Shaq is unstoppable but we all remember when he got swepped in the Finals by the Rockets.
Because then, Shaq was immature, and nowhere near the player he is today. Also, Hakeem and Horry were beasts in that series, Grant was somewhat injured and Nick Anderson decided free throws weren't his thing.
People hate on MJ for the same reasons the hate on Kobe Bryant.
Or...they don't hate, and instead see and try to provide logical facts...
In basketball, guys like Michael Jordan who are clean cut and recognised as "good guys"
How false that is...unless clean cut means gambling, cheating on your wife, slave labor and how many other distasteful unethical acts...
are discarded in favour of guys like Allen Iverson, who is more rebellious.
Allen Iverson won over middle class America, because of that rebellious attitude of his that makes him work harder than anyone else to succeed, he throws his body around despite being the smallest player on the floor 95% of the time. The man swallowed his own blood to stay on the floor, that earned respect from me.
Michael Jordan has had a successful basketball career, having played an important role on six championship teams, and achieving various statistical marks that can be used to highlight his talents. His accomplishments make him stand above other basketball players.
Ahhh...but they don't. Bill Russell had a successful basketball career, having played an very important role on eight championship teams, and achieving various statistical marks that can be used to highlight his talents. But yet...nobody ever "hates" on him...
You make it seem like this so-called "hating" is an epidemic. But, our own Fredy, stated that 95% (or more) percent of the world thinks Jordan is the greatest basketball player of all time and blah blah blah. Doesn't seem like an epidemic to me?
The only reason you're probably seeing a increase in criticism of Michael Jordan recently is for a number of reasons, Jordan was supposed to run roughshod through the NBA in this third return (the retiring and unretiring another thing that irked a number of people) and he hasn't making him look not as great to youngsters, then there's the fact of Jordan cheating on his wife for three years, nearly having a bastard child and calling his wife a PR move. Even in todays ethic-less society, that's still unacceptable, especially for a person who's so plastered all over the media (as you said). Compare it to Michael Jackson, he doesn't have as many fans nowdays because of his questionable-ethics antics and probably his apparent decline in ability.
You will have a hard time finding a vinsanity hater or a CWebb hater, 'cause this guys have not prove anything!
I wouldn't go as far as to say that. Especially since there were many many posts on the old forum "hating" on those two.
About the Shaq argument...I do think he is the second best center in NBA history, after Hakeem
We're ignoring all the rest of the centers in league history I see
(I also think Wilt is seriously overrated)
Elaborate.
when is healthy he's too quick, big and strong for anybody to stop him
Just like Wilt?
If the Lakers win the 4th and the 5th and whatever it will be all Shaq!
Wrong. It will be the Lackers, not just Shaq, players don't win championships, teams do. Players like Jordan (and countless others) never won titles until they were matched with a team, Jordan had Pippen, Grant, Kerr/Paxton plus Big Chief Triangle. Just like Shaq now has Kobe, Horry, Fox, Fisher and Big Chief Triangle.
It appears that Kobe is for real,but he has to get out of LA to prove it!
He hasn't shown he's for real over the last four years? Including this year?
But...yes, there's a but.. he aint a leader
I beg to differ...
MJ is a leader, that's the way he is so damn special
Hitler and Stalin were leaders too...so is Usama Bin Laden...your point is?
theres a lot of talent out there but they are not leaders!(CWebb, TMac) (Scottie and DRobinson in their prime)
Ugh...McGrady is clearly a leader or else the Magic wouldn't have survived without Hill. The Admiral was clearly a leader in the past or else the Spurs wouldn't have won so many games, true, now he's taken a backseat to Duncan, but this isn't his prime, it's the end of his road)
Wilt Chamberlain, Bill Russell and Kareem Abdul-Jabbar were better...they just never got the media and attention that Jordan got...
Well, there wasn't the massive media blitz back in those days. Infact, a lot about Wilt/Russel/Mikan/Fulks/etc. days are unknown, they didn't record blocks, or steals or minutes or even rebounds for a few years.
Jordon is a foolish ballhog...
foolish? off the court...ballhog? yes...foolish ballhog on the court? nah...
He's overrated...
If you say he's the best player ever, then yes...
It was all Pippen...
What was?
The league was watered down...
What expansion does...
Wilt battled really nasty physical 6'8 centres...
And many many bigger centers.
Those early bulls were a bunch of junkies, and Jordan took them to the playoffs every year, with the exception of his second which he was sidelined most of, but still helped secure a playoff berth regardless of management's attempt to tank games.
Or managements attempts to build a team around Jordan moving out the junkies. Remember those Bulls teams never were over .500 until Pippen, Grant and other pieces of the title teams came to town.
What's interesting is that Kobe has been in a similar position lately, of playing on a team that wasn't built around him, maybe even lacking talent (although not as much as those bulls), and Kobe the proven NBA champ couldn't keep them above .500, and they would have missed the playoffs at this rate. HA!
Jordan couldn't get his team above .500, Jordan had much more talent on his teams or else Kobe would have five, six teammates backing him up with 10+ppg, here's an article from a Chicago Tribune writer from ESPN.com on the topic: Shooting down the double-standard on Kobe (speaking of which...as much as I've disliked Sam Smith very much in the past, he's been writing some articles lately I have to agree with him on more than declare him an idiot like in the past)
Jordan haters are like the milk man, they really have no purpose in todays society.
You know...Hitler said the Jews had no purpose in todays society.
There's just no use arguing.
Yeah, I hate people expressing differing opinions or providing facts (not opinions) to dispute others biased faulty opinions too. Why don't we just ban free will and thought from the Earth?
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by Toche on Sun Nov 24, 2002 7:18 am
First of all, sorry for the missing "n", English is not my first languaje...so, I sometimes misspell words!
Second, I dont hate those guys, I love the way they both play...but, in my mind, until they have a championship ring in their fingers or have carry their respective team to almost a NBA title(Malone, Sir Charles)....they havent proveN anything! That´s just the way I see it!
And come on, man, I'm not a hater... I aint going to hate a guy that I dont know!
thanks!
Second, I dont hate those guys, I love the way they both play...but, in my mind, until they have a championship ring in their fingers or have carry their respective team to almost a NBA title(Malone, Sir Charles)....they havent proveN anything! That´s just the way I see it!
And come on, man, I'm not a hater... I aint going to hate a guy that I dont know!
thanks!
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by :digerati: on Sun Nov 24, 2002 9:24 am
Toche wrote:First of all, sorry for the missing "n", English is not my first languaje...so, I sometimes misspell words!
Second, I dont hate those guys, I love the way they both play...but, in my mind, until they have a championship ring in their fingers or have carry their respective team to almost a NBA title(Malone, Sir Charles)....they havent proveN anything! That´s just the way I see it!
And come on, man, I'm not a hater... I aint going to hate a guy that I dont know!
thanks!
I didn't say you hated those guys...I'm talking about you saying you will have a hard time finding a Webber or Carter "hater", when there are tons of them all over...including lots on the old forum...
Ignoring the rest of my post that was directed at your comments, I will assume you agree with me now about Shaq, Wilt, Kobe, leadership, etc.
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by :digerati: on Sun Nov 24, 2002 11:15 pm
That was just as predictable. Let's ignore everything someone says and leave an open ended comment meant to demean.
But let's say you're being honest
Interesting how you say you can post, cook, a meal and work on your jumpshot. So you have a basketball hoop in your kitchen along with your computer and you seemingly rotate from each task. No wonder your posts have little topical value and feature little more than lackluster attempts at humor, ignorance, subtle or not-so-subtle insults and support of opression of free will.
Alas, it doesn't seem feasible to me.
What does though, is typing a supposidly massive (looks like what should be normal sized in a real discussion) post packed with on-topic mental nutrition and colorful metaphors that is constructed over a delicious bowl of compressed grain...
But let's say you're being honest
Interesting how you say you can post, cook, a meal and work on your jumpshot. So you have a basketball hoop in your kitchen along with your computer and you seemingly rotate from each task. No wonder your posts have little topical value and feature little more than lackluster attempts at humor, ignorance, subtle or not-so-subtle insults and support of opression of free will.
Alas, it doesn't seem feasible to me.
What does though, is typing a supposidly massive (looks like what should be normal sized in a real discussion) post packed with on-topic mental nutrition and colorful metaphors that is constructed over a delicious bowl of compressed grain...
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by EGarrett on Mon Nov 25, 2002 5:13 am
Πwrote:That was just as predictable. Let's ignore everything someone says and leave an open ended comment meant to demean.
And then Πwrote:No wonder your posts have little topical value and feature little more than lackluster attempts at humor, ignorance, subtle or not-so-subtle insults and support of opression of free will.
Someone should tell this "mystery man" the fable about the pot and kettle...because he's quite the hypocrite.
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by :digerati: on Mon Nov 25, 2002 9:57 am
You act like being a hypocrit is wrong. If it is, then everyone in the world is wrong.
Perhaps you should read this thread, you'll see I've posted on topic, until someone makes an off-topic post directed at me. You know, like your post.
Then again, people are probably making the off-topic posts because they came to the conclusion that I am 100% right and there is no need to discuss further and they only wish to attack and demean someone who did nothing to them.
Perhaps you should read this thread, you'll see I've posted on topic, until someone makes an off-topic post directed at me. You know, like your post.
Then again, people are probably making the off-topic posts because they came to the conclusion that I am 100% right and there is no need to discuss further and they only wish to attack and demean someone who did nothing to them.
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by Stevan on Mon Nov 25, 2002 6:57 pm
Let's ignore everything someone says and leave an open ended comment meant to demean.
what did I say that was so demeaning? Now compare it to what you said, and tell me who is demeaning who? Why don't we all just pretend that all posts are intended to be "demeaning" so that we can fling around insults in our replies. Hey somebody repeated something I said, in a slightly sarcastic tone, so I should play the victim and put them down. Again.
I must have the problem because I've had numerous arguments on the boards with the majority of people who have posted here. But still I will not leave, no matter how hated I might be.
Like I said in another thread, the board was better without the bickering, and it's a shame that members have to attempt to bring it down.
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by EGarrett on Mon Nov 25, 2002 7:58 pm
Stevan, you're not hated. Some people on here can't get along with anyone so they may not like you but I'm glad you stick around. Sometimes the vocal minority gets a bit out of control and we need more sane people around.
Hope you didn't get the impression that everyone wants you to leave...
"Not" Ben,
Comparing Jordan to Hitler and Stalin? Well...don't be surprised if I don't take you seriously. And people shouldn't be demeaning you...but if you demean them back then you're not going to get any sympathy or get them to stop. You should be a little thicker skinned...then you could ignore people's demeaning comments...I'd bet you'd be surprised how quickly they go away.
Hope you didn't get the impression that everyone wants you to leave...
"Not" Ben,
Comparing Jordan to Hitler and Stalin? Well...don't be surprised if I don't take you seriously. And people shouldn't be demeaning you...but if you demean them back then you're not going to get any sympathy or get them to stop. You should be a little thicker skinned...then you could ignore people's demeaning comments...I'd bet you'd be surprised how quickly they go away.
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by :digerati: on Tue Nov 26, 2002 6:50 am
Detract from topic, detract from topic, detract from topic. I see, so it's my fault because other people break the rules. I completely understand. If people continued to discuss the topic along with any demeanation, I would care naught. Even if they seem to give the vibe that they are afraid to directly say something, so they not-so-subtly hide it, not like they'd be punished either way, unless they said something about a certain website or person(s).
Good work EG, I'm glad you actually said SOMETHING related to the topic. I compared Jordan to Hitler/Stalin/Usama, because someone claims Jordan is a leader, and the people I mentioned were also leaders. Thus, accurate comparison, no?
Oh, and, there are rules on this forum. They should be upheld or it promotes violating them. If someone violates a rule by swearing or insulting me, and they aren't punished for it, that gives them impression that's it's ok and thus I do it because of my human nature. Now, had the rules been upheld the first thirty times in which I didn't respond by demeaning the offender perhaps I wouldn't feel this is the only way to attract any attention to the issue of so many blatant violations going unpunished. Again, it's saying, we only enforce the rules when, where and on who we want to. Not fairly across the board. If any punishment is applied to me for my criticism of Stevan's lack of posting any relevant to the threads topic and instead detracting into a post that's only meant to insult someone, then I expect the same to be done to every single person on the forum that has violated the rule I have. If no punishment is applied, then it shouldn't be applied to anyone at all and they should remove the rule. All or nothing, no inbetween. After all, isn't one rule to keep out the personal biases in moderation?
As for the "not" Ben, etc. Have I ever stated I wasn't Ben? Have I ever denied anything? No, I haven't. Perhaps you should look at it from the smart perspective that you must have. I'd rather be insulted, cursed at, have murder plotted, sold to dutch milwaukee buck centers, etc. because of my posts, not because of who's posting. And if you think people don't or won't act differently because of the name attached to the posts, made despite the blatant obviousness of it all. Then you're clearly ignorant.
Good work EG, I'm glad you actually said SOMETHING related to the topic. I compared Jordan to Hitler/Stalin/Usama, because someone claims Jordan is a leader, and the people I mentioned were also leaders. Thus, accurate comparison, no?
Oh, and, there are rules on this forum. They should be upheld or it promotes violating them. If someone violates a rule by swearing or insulting me, and they aren't punished for it, that gives them impression that's it's ok and thus I do it because of my human nature. Now, had the rules been upheld the first thirty times in which I didn't respond by demeaning the offender perhaps I wouldn't feel this is the only way to attract any attention to the issue of so many blatant violations going unpunished. Again, it's saying, we only enforce the rules when, where and on who we want to. Not fairly across the board. If any punishment is applied to me for my criticism of Stevan's lack of posting any relevant to the threads topic and instead detracting into a post that's only meant to insult someone, then I expect the same to be done to every single person on the forum that has violated the rule I have. If no punishment is applied, then it shouldn't be applied to anyone at all and they should remove the rule. All or nothing, no inbetween. After all, isn't one rule to keep out the personal biases in moderation?
As for the "not" Ben, etc. Have I ever stated I wasn't Ben? Have I ever denied anything? No, I haven't. Perhaps you should look at it from the smart perspective that you must have. I'd rather be insulted, cursed at, have murder plotted, sold to dutch milwaukee buck centers, etc. because of my posts, not because of who's posting. And if you think people don't or won't act differently because of the name attached to the posts, made despite the blatant obviousness of it all. Then you're clearly ignorant.
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by livemaster on Tue Nov 26, 2002 12:14 pm
[quote="Stevan"]Jordon is a foolish ballhog... He's overrated... It was all Pippen... The league was watered down... Wilt battled really nasty physical 6'8 centres...
That is bullshit 
MJ is No way overrated and he is of no ballhog Jordan averaged 32 PTS while Pippen stayed 18/20 ppg he was a factor but not like mj. PIppen was more of a D Player. Jordan is the best 4 EVER.
That is bullshit
MJ is No way overrated and he is of no ballhog Jordan averaged 32 PTS while Pippen stayed 18/20 ppg he was a factor but not like mj. PIppen was more of a D Player. Jordan is the best 4 EVER.- livemaster
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by :digerati: on Tue Nov 26, 2002 12:37 pm
livemaster wrote:That is bullshit
Stevan was being sarcastic. Jordan is overrated by most people (including yourself from the looks of it). Jordan is the biggest ballhog in NBA history based on the only statistical measure of it, minutes per shot. Also, Michael Jordan is not the best forever. Thank you for your time, I'll let you have the last word...for now.
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