BULLS NEED TO EXIT SG TRENTON HASEL TO BENCH

[livemaster]

Come on guys Jamall Craword should start at SG Jamall is 6"6 205 LBS and he can score more then hassel

[Clinton]

They could even start Eddie Robinson, he can definately fill it up. I think they want Hassel in there for his defense but he doesn't bring much else.

[Andrew]

E-Rob is decent, but shooting guard is definitely the Bulls' weakest position. Are there any good SGs coming out of college this year that the Bulls have a chance of getting? At their current pace, they may not get a top five draft pick...which isn't good when there's only a handful of good players in the draft.

[Wall St. Peon]

They should pick up Recker off waivers from the Heat...he was dropping about 15 a game in summer league, and as a great college player he could probably develop well with pt for the Bulls. I think Rodney Buford's still a free agent this year as well...they should dump Hoigberg...

[Nick]

Come on guys Jamall Craword should start at SG Jamall is 6"6 205 LBS and he can score more then hassel

Disagree. Jamal Crawfords' position is PG and PG only...he was born for PG...enough said...

BULLS NEED TO EXIT SG TRENTON HASEL TO BENCH

Agree. But who?

[Rens]

Maybe sign Jim Jackson?

there any good SGs coming out of college this year that the Bulls have a chance of getting?

I looked at NBADraft.net since I can't watch NCAA over here... they have some SGs listed:
LeBron James
Reece Gaines (6'6 185lbs PG/SG)
Jarvis Hayes (6'7 220lbs SG/SF)
Dwayne Wade 6'4 200lbs SG)

These guys are currently projected in the top 10.

[Andrew]

Doubt the Bulls have much chance of getting LeBron James. They'll be in the lottery, but knowing their luck they won't get the top pick. And if they did, knowing Krause, they'd probably draft another power forward or centre.

[:digerati:]

Yeah, I agree Andrew...I hate it when teams want to win...

The Bulls need another Center...unless you believe Dalibor Bagaric is gonna help the Bulls into the playoffs...

The Bulls need another Power Forward...unless Tyson Chandler makes some crazy Garnett like jump, or Marcus Fizer uses his fat ass to dominate in the post...

The Bulls are overloaded at SF/SG/PG and surely don't need to draft another...

Trenton Hassell should continue to start...he's a tough defender and a very very hard worker. He also allows hopefully 6th man of the year Donyell Marshall to come off the bench to dominate and allows Rose to not have to defend other teams top swingmen.

Eddie Robinson is overpayed and shouldn't start unless you like to lose.

Jamal Crawford is gonna either take a long time to be anything or be nothing. Those injuries really set back his development. I think he's best coming off the bench because of his ability to play both guard slots, players who can play multiple positions are more valuable off the bench if they aren't anything great because that way they can be inserted wherever after the coach can view how the game is flowing.

Back to the SG thing, it's not the Bulls weakest position. Rose is the teams SG but starts at SF so Marshall can come off the bench. Hassell is a great defender and backs up Rose. Fred Hoiberg isn't much, but you can't really move him, and he's one of those guys that the fans just wanna hug cause he's soooo cute.

Krause will snag another good backcourt player who's stock slipped in the draft in the second round. Hopefully Mason should see some more time as the season progresses. The Bulls should look for a tough four-year big man first, then for a swingman. But I wouldn't rule out snaggin a nice backup PG who can run a team, or a SG who's a shooter that they can always find on the wing for an easy bucket.

[Clinton]

The Bulls need another Power Forward...unless Tyson Chandler makes some crazy Garnett like jump, or Marcus Fizer uses his fat ass to dominate in the post...

Chandler is coming along pretty well, him and Curry will be a very good frontcourt in a year or two. The Bulls don't need to do anything with their frontcourt. He is starting to show signs of good things to come. Marshall is a great help off the bench as a low post scorer and veteran leader. Fizer is good for some boards and a couple of dunks. Baxter can be a good backup in the league.

The Bulls are overloaded at SF/SG/PG and surely don't need to draft another...

They have Rose and Robinson at SF, Hassell, Hoiberg and Roger Mason Jr at SG and Jay Will and Crawford and PG. They don't need a SF or PG but they could definately do with a better shooting guard. It would be great if they could get Kirk Hinrich out of Kansas. A great scorer who can hit jumpers all night long. They would have to get a top 10 pick to get him.

Back to the SG thing, it's not the Bulls weakest position. Rose is the teams SG but starts at SF so Marshall can come off the bench.

Rose actually starts at SF because that is where he plays best. You can play him at point guard but they don't need to with Jay Will. He isn't a SG. He isn't a guy who is going to shoot all night. He will when he needs to, but his game is to share the ball around, create for his teammates and work off them.

[Toche]

Do you guys think Krause is going to keep both Curry and Chandler? I mean...for years to come... I dont know why, but I see one of this guys out of Chicago in the next couple of years!

[MajaFiggaz_Early!]

Oh Boy Hassell Just dropped 2 Points...He did lead the team I one catagory though...Minutes?!?! He had 2 pts in 40 minutes 1-5 from the field...Oh yeah he lead the team with 8 rebounds also...Even though Don Marshall of the bench in 27 minutes dropped 17 points & 7 boards.

How about this...Start Donyell Marshall and move Jalen Rose to the 2...This might work, but anything to get hassell outta there...yuck!

[:digerati:]

Chandler is coming along pretty well, him and Curry will be a very good frontcourt in a year or two. The Bulls don't need to do anything with their frontcourt. He is starting to show signs of good things to come. Marshall is a great help off the bench as a low post scorer and veteran leader. Fizer is good for some boards and a couple of dunks. Baxter can be a good backup in the league.

They don't look to be a legit frontcourt until their rookie deal is over. The Bulls still need backups, you can't play Curry and Chandler 48 minutes and expect to win. Marshall's better playing at the SF because he can overpower smaller players. Fizer's worn out his welcome with Baxter out playing him and I doubt he sticks around. That still leaves a gaping hole at center, and a frontcourt with a combined 5 years of experience.

They have Rose and Robinson at SF, Hassell, Hoiberg and Roger Mason Jr at SG and Jay Will and Crawford and PG. They don't need a SF or PG but they could definately do with a better shooting guard. It would be great if they could get Kirk Hinrich out of Kansas. A great scorer who can hit jumpers all night long. They would have to get a top 10 pick to get him.

They're gonna have a top ten pick. If they take Hinrich who's a PG, they still have a logjam. That's 9 players for playing time at three positions. They need a PG to backup Jason Williams when Jamal Crawford leaves too, which Hinrich could address. The rest addressed below...

Rose actually starts at SF because that is where he plays best. You can play him at point guard but they don't need to with Jay Will. He isn't a SG. He isn't a guy who is going to shoot all night. He will when he needs to, but his game is to share the ball around, create for his teammates and work off them.

Rose actually plays best at SG, as he did in Indiana. Only he played at the SF position because of Reggie Miller, but he played like a SG. Like he does now. His game isn't to share the ball, create for his teammates and work off them. If it was, Indy wouldn't have traded him because he wanted to be focal point of the offense. The only time he looks to work with a team is when he plays the PG because he thinks he can dominate that position, when he plays off the ball, he looks to score.

How about this...Start Donyell Marshall and move Jalen Rose to the 2...This might work, but anything to get hassell outta there...yuck!

If you do that, not only do you lose Hassells tough defense in the starting lineup helping the Bulls to shut down teams early, but you also lose Marshall coming off the bench to do his damage. It's like Corliss Williamson in Detroit, why does Curry/Prince start over him? Same reason.

And move Jalen Rose to the SG??? But Clinton just said you can't play him there! Even though he's a SG in a SF's body...

The Bulls already have a glutton of backcourt players, they would do well to develop them, rather than draft a player to throw into the logjam and hope he works out. I, for one, wouldn't be content with this as my frontcourt:
C- Curry/Bagaric
PF- Chandler/Baxter/(Fizer will more than likely be gone)/Marshall (though he loses his advantage here, as Golden State found out)

Even in two-three years when Curry and Chandler are good (if they develop), they still won't be All-Stars or Shaq and KG. They will need backups. And next year Curry and Chandler are not gonna be world-beaters, unless they make KG-like jumps. They along with Bagaric and Baxter cannot support a playoff team. Hell, even drafting Perkins, another HS Center, wouldn't hurt their depth, since he's probably better than Bagaric. SG's and SF's are probably more plentiful in this draft like all of them, but if there's a quality big man than enters who's around when the Bulls select, I see no reason to not snag him. Draft Willie Taylor in the second round if you really want a shooter who plays SG.

[MC Hao]

The reason Hassel starts for the bulls is the same reason Michael Curry starts for the pistons: DEFENSE. Hassel is also a good shooter, but right now he's just a role player. Shots are not designed for him.

On another note, Donyell Marshall is gonna beat out Jordan for Sixth Man of the Year. Look at his line: 10.80 rpg 1.1 apg 1.43 spg 1.07 bpg 15.0 ppg 0 starts.

[air gordon]

good points by everyone here. i agree that hassell is in the starting lineup because of his defense. defense is the biggest of all the bulls problems. they need a proven, fierce defender for the frontcourt, someone that can cause intimidation in the lane. they could use a good perimeter defender as well.

i think one of the biggest causes for the bull's problem lies in rose. yeh, he's the team best option on offense. but he needs to dominate the ball to be effective, be the focal point of the offense. and he doesn't really have a true position on court, which puts a burden on the team, especially on defense. if rose was a good defender, i don't think it would be such a big deal. i would much rather have a wing player who can defend & shoot and a proven frontcourt defender then rose.

if krause wasn't such an idiot, maybe the bulls aren't in this situation. drafting one high school player in hopes he will turn out to be a franchise players is pretty risky. but picking 2 high players is unheard of, let alone at the same time. krause is just buying himself more time.

krause somehow is able to keep his job despite the bull's record over the past 5 years. is there such thing as rebuilding while you were already rebuilding? blame krause, not the players for the current bull's situation. after all- management wins championships, not the players.

[:digerati:]

if krause wasn't such an idiot, maybe the bulls aren't in this situation

But he isn't an idiot...he's got six rings...he's rebuilt this team into a playoff challenger in just five years and did it even after realizing the first plan wasn't gonna work out.

drafting one high school player in hopes he will turn out to be a franchise players is pretty risky. but picking 2 high players is unheard of, let alone at the same time. krause is just buying himself more time.

More time to do what? acquire more players to surround them as they ascend to greatness?

krause somehow is able to keep his job despite the bull's record over the past 5 years

Perhaps it's because he built a team that won three titles, twice. Perhaps it's because the Bulls have been improving over 5 years. Krause keeps his job because he's very good at it. Look at the Warriors or Cavaliers or Grizzlies or Hawks/Nuggets/Nets/Celtics until recently...

is there such thing as rebuilding while you were already rebuilding? blame krause, not the players for the current bull's situation. after all- management wins championships, not the players

Yes, blame Krause for realizing the first plan (use cap space to sign FA's who didn't want to go to Chicago) wasn't gonna work, scrapping it, building around two possible greats, getting a real coach, and putting together a team that could make the playoffs in under two years after scrapping the first plan.

Yes, blame Krause for turning around a team that could be in limbo forever.

It's not like he's M.L. Carr...

[air gordon]

virtually any team in the eastern conference can make the playoffs and chicago happens to be in the eastern conference. i wouldn't say that krause has just yet built the bulls into a playoff challenger. it is still quite early in the season, but i'm not going to say that the cavaliers are a playoff challenger.

yeh krause has six rings. i'll give him credit for bringing in the right guys to play with jordan. but that was almost 6 years ago and he never drafted jordan. and the bulls have been in the nba's basement ever since. there is a small glimpse of hope now with the the team now. but still, banking on 2 high school drafts in that same year is still unheard of. btw- i wouldn't say having one of the worst records all time in a 5 year span is improving.

so now krause figures out after 4 years that any of his plans weren't working. i think any competent GM could have figured that out himself. and now chicago fans have to wait another 2 years at the earliest to see if this new plan will work out.

i think the bulls would be better off not having krause as GM. KG confirmed the rumor that players don't want to come to chicago because of how krause treated the bulls players. it's hard enough with the new rules favoring FA's to resign with their won teams, and now that players don't want to come play for the bull's because of krause?!

so yes, i will continue to blame krause for the bulls problems. bulls fans, including myself, have been in limbo for almost six years waiting for a winner.

[Clinton]

His game isn't to share the ball, create for his teammates and work off them. If it was, Indy wouldn't have traded him because he wanted to be focal point of the offense.

Who the hell knows why Indy traded him. It wasn't because he was having the best season of his career. Rose still brings it down to Isiah Thomas. Thomas didn't want to play him and didn't want him to be the go to guy. He was playing great basketball, apparently not the type of basketball Thomas wanted.

[Andrew]

I think the problem with Rose is just that his personality clashes with other personnel. That was the rumoured reason for Rose being on the block this season, and I seem to remember something about Rose feuding with Thomas last season, a feud that went beyond Rose's on court production.

[Rens]

Who the hell knows why Indy traded him. It wasn't because he was having the best season of his career. Rose still brings it down to Isiah Thomas. Thomas didn't want to play him and didn't want him to be the go to guy. He was playing great basketball, apparently not the type of basketball Thomas wanted.

Maybe they traded him because Ron Artest, Brad Miller and Ron Mercer are a lot more valuable to them?

[:digerati:]

but that was almost 6 years ago and he never drafted jordan.

Red Auerbach hasn't won a championship in decades...

and the bulls have been in the nba's basement ever since.

Because that's what happens when a team breaks up after not being able to build up pieces to survive the fall because one player demands more many than is under the cap.

i wouldn't say having one of the worst records all time in a 5 year span is improving.

That's because you aren't looking at the individual years, looking at the progression of the players and the moves made.

so now krause figures out after 4 years that any of his plans weren't working. i think any competent GM could have figured that out himself.

Like Krause did?

and now chicago fans have to wait another 2 years at the earliest to see if this new plan will work out.

Unlike Warriors, Clippers, Cavaliers, Celtics, Sixers fans or many other teams that have spent near-decades rebuilding. Look how long it took Dallas and how low they dropped.

i think the bulls would be better off not having krause as GM. KG confirmed the rumor that players don't want to come to chicago because of how krause treated the bulls players. it's hard enough with the new rules favoring FA's to resign with their won teams, and now that players don't want to come play for the bull's because of krause?!

Donyell Marshall came to the Bulls. Jason Williams wanted to. The difference between when KG made that comment and now is because then, the Bulls had Kukoc, Hawkins, Randy Brown, Will Perdue, etc. a team that was just starting to rebuild. No all-star caliber player wants to go to a rebuilding team until it's getting better. Of course, it doesn't get better until that team gets better players. Which Krause has done.

so yes, i will continue to blame krause for the bulls problems. bulls fans, including myself, have been in limbo for almost six years waiting for a winner.

Again, what about Clippers fans? Mavericks fans? Warriors fans? Krause has brought the Bulls from ZERO (they were in ruins Post Pippen-Jordan-Rodman-Kerr-Longley-etc. Exodus) to something in less time than anyone thought possible or should realisticly expect. You shouldn't expect to jump from championship team to lottery to a playoff team in a year. It's just not realistic. Especially not in a day and age where Kwame Brown is going with the first pick of the draft.

Oh, and the Bulls have rebuilt in not six years...
1999 - wash year, since the team started from scratch basically, no real hope of getting the team to move forward this year
1999/2000 - first year of rebuilding
2000/2001 - second year
2001/2002 - first year of second rebuilding, getting good head coach, changing game plan

So see...this is the second...or fourth year of rebuilding...

[bomba90]

IMO the Bulls should have this roster:
C-Curry
PF-Chandler
SF-Eddie Robinson
SG-Rose
PG-J Williams

Bench:
Fizer-F\C
Baxter-F\C
Marshall-F
Jamal-PG
Mason-G
Hassel-G

They should waive Hoiberg, Bagaric, Brunson and Blount, they must give more playing time for Chandler and Curry. That way they will develop as expected. The bench is pretty good if Fizer will be better.

[livemaster]

im also sure they could get at least a decent SG for Fizer.

[air gordon]

the red auerbach comment has nothing to do with the krause discussion. but say what you want, this is a forum. A-ha came out with one of the most popular singles of the 80's, take on me, unforunatley that was their only successful song.

remember it was krause that wanted to break up the bulls and publicly said he wanted to build a winner on his own. him and reinsdorf even wanted to break up the team that went on to win the 6th championship even before that season started.

the ironic thing is that krause didn't want to become the celtics: hang on to their stars too long and become nba bottom feeders after the stars retire. but the bulls ended up like them anyway. gwen stefani is hot.

so krause broke up the dynasty and the team he put out there had the chance to lose to a college basketball team. with that being said, the team couldn't get any worse. so improvement was imminent. tecmo super bowl is a fun game.

krause would not have traded brand and draft curry and chandler if he didn't think his original rebuilding plan was working. kevin willis has short arms for a tall guy.

of course i'm going to keep pointing the finger at krause, middle finger as well. he is the one pushing all the buttons. i wasn't expecting a playoff challenger right away. but it has taken over 5 years to make the bulls into what it is now. which is exactly what anyway? a team that won't be challenging the record for worst season record anymore? (it is still early in the season) Krause gave up pippen, longley, kerr, kukoc, harper, etc. for virtually nothing. A GM from the clips, celtics, or warriors could have come away with better players then someone like mark bryant from that lot of players.

and finally, collecting toe nail clippings.

[:digerati:]

the red auerbach comment has nothing to do with the krause discussion.

It doesn't? You were saying Krause sucks because the Bulls haven't been to the Finals in six years (which is wrong). Red hasn't been to the Finals longer than that...do you think he sucks?

remember it was krause that wanted to break up the bulls and publicly said he wanted to build a winner on his own. him and reinsdorf even wanted to break up the team that went on to win the 6th championship even before that season started.

To get a head start on the rebuilding, and because it's a challenge, there's no challenge in giving Jordan fifty million dollars and winning another ring

the ironic thing is that krause didn't want to become the celtics: hang on to their stars too long and become nba bottom feeders after the stars retire. but the bulls ended up like them anyway. gwen stefani is hot

Good for Gwen...What did you want the Bulls to do? Trade Jordan, Pippen, etc? and not win those last few titles?

so krause broke up the dynasty and the team he put out there had the chance to lose to a college basketball team. with that being said, the team couldn't get any worse. so improvement was imminent. tecmo super bowl is a fun game.

Good for Tecmo Super Bowl...and Krause didn't break up the dynasty...the dynasty ran it's course...

krause would not have traded brand and draft curry and chandler if he didn't think his original rebuilding plan was working. kevin willis has short arms for a tall guy.

Yes, Kevin Willis does...wish that related...Krause would not have traded Brand IF he thought his original plan was working...

of course i'm going to keep pointing the finger at krause, middle finger as well. he is the one pushing all the buttons. i wasn't expecting a playoff challenger right away. but it has taken over 5 years to make the bulls into what it is now. which is exactly what anyway? a team that won't be challenging the record for worst season record anymore? (it is still early in the season)

And that's all you should expect this early in the rebuilding...ALSO, it hasn't even taken FIVE years...

Krause gave up pippen, longley, kerr, kukoc, harper, etc. for virtually nothing.

Here's why...
Pippen: he was losing him as a FA or getting a second round pick...
Longley: You mean he could get something?
Kerr: Didn't they get Mark Bryant for him?
Kukoc: They got cap space and didn't they pick up a first rounder?
Harper: Could they get ANYTHING?

Basically...the Bulls got just about the max of what they could for those guys wanting more money than their worth...

A GM from the clips, celtics, or warriors could have come away with better players then someone like mark bryant from that lot of players.

I don't think even Jerry West could've done much better...maybe on Kukoc, but not on the rest...

and finally, collecting toe nail clippings.

Relevant. Nil.

[MC Hao]

...and so another Ben was born...