kobe charged..

by **j.23** on Sat Jul 19, 2003 7:48 am

so it was announced today kobe bryant is charged w/ sexual assault although all he claims he did was commit adultery. i dont know about you guys but i believe him.. i think the 19 y/o took advantage of the situation and blew everything out of proportion.. i dont see jail time for kobe in the future.. and if you look at ESPN.com he has some pretty damn good lawyers.. he even has the lawyers from the jon benet case.. whats everyone elses thoughts on this

by **RedTorro** on Sat Jul 19, 2003 7:54 am

Kobe also admitted to adultry, all he has to do is pay off that gold diggin skank and it will all be over with. This is a perfect case for Mr. "if it doesn't fit you must acquit." All I can say is this is the most expensive piece of puntang pie Kobe will ever have to pay for.

by **benji** on Sat Jul 19, 2003 8:28 am

whats everyone elses thoughts on this

A song comes to mind...

na-na-na-na na-na-na-na hey hey hey goooood-bye

http://www.azcentral.com/arizonarepublic/sports/articles/0710p2main0710.html

by **Brave Sir Rubin** on Sat Jul 19, 2003 8:54 am

Well....Kobe the bloody rapist...i hope that this dumb fuck stays lucked up for a while, and i hope that he'll get roughened up well by Karl Malone's bodies at the jail...

Him being rich or a profesional athlet doesn't justify rape....

I only hoep that the ruling would go against him if he is indeed guilty...and i hope that the filth would be kind enough to keep him in one of thier "nicer" jails for a while...

and if a Lacker fan comes here saying "he's not guilty!"....then....how the fuck do you know? are you his personal biatch? did you see him not rape er?.....as long as the pigs say that he did....i believe em.....

by **paul_pierce_the_truth** on Sat Jul 19, 2003 9:10 am

Brave Sir Rubin,

Dude pass the joint, I think you're stoned.

by **j.23** on Sat Jul 19, 2003 9:40 am

Well....Kobe the bloody rapist...i hope that this dumb fuck stays lucked up for a while, and i hope that he'll get roughened up well by Karl Malone's bodies at the jail...

and if a Lacker fan comes here saying "he's not guilty!"....then....how the fuck do you know? are you his personal biatch? did you see him not rape er?.....as long as the pigs say that he did....i believe em.....

.. and how do you know that he is a rapist? im not taking anyones side but i'm hoping what kobe did was just adultery.. i honestly do not think hes stupid enough to rape someone.. [/quote]

by **emadhn15** on Sat Jul 19, 2003 11:36 am

well, I am pretty sure that the 19 year old girl made this whole story up just for fame and $$$$ ,,,,

come on Kobe just give her some cash and she will shut her mouth,,,

YouTube · by **Andrew** on Sat Jul 19, 2003 11:43 am

I wonder if Sam Smith will write "The Kobe Rules" now, blasting him for this incident. I wonder if anyone in the media will grab hold of this incident and use it to tear apart Kobe's image, as they used to do with another well-known NBA player.

If there's anything to charge Kobe with, then by all means charge him. He should not be above the law. But I think the media should have the grace to treat this issue with respect, and they seem to be doing that. But as that article Ben posted alluded to, there's a clear double standard.

If this was Michael Jordan (and not so long ago, it was), it would be more fuel for the anti-Jordan sentiment, another chink in the armour, another opportunity to tear apart his otherwise clean image and show his dark side - as if the rest of us are above all forms of negative behaviour.

If this was Allen Iverson, the media would proclaim him guilty, just as that article said. The theory of "Iverson has a troubled past, so he's obviously capable of committing this crime - he's guilty".

That's not to say he's guilty, I don't mean to condemn him. It's just strange how some players manage to go through incidents such as these without their images being torn apart by the media. Perhaps there are changing attitudes in the world of sportswriters. Perhaps follies such as rushing to judgment about Allen Iverson have made writers think before writing words they might have to eat later.

by **scubilete** on Sat Jul 19, 2003 11:57 am

There are as many Kobe's haters as were MJ's haters back then. If the well known Pavel were a Writer, he for sure would write that book you are talking about.

I don't care if he's really guilty or whatever but saying that all he did was committing adultery should be even worse in relation to his marriage & young son/daughter as well, that should be not acceptable in his family. At least if he can do that, I guess his wife can do that as well, that's the thing I hate most of famous people, it's impossible to have any trust there. Let's say you marry a famous girl, is not for her to have sex with every guy she finds in her way.

YouTube · by **Andrew** on Sat Jul 19, 2003 12:05 pm

There are as many Kobe's haters as were MJ's haters back then. If the well known Pavel were a Writer, he for sure would write that book you are talking about.

Correct, there are plenty of Kobe haters around (I wouldn't necessarily say there are as numerous as MJ haters), but I meant within the media. Don't get me wrong, I don't hate Kobe and I don't think the media should treat him unfairly, I just think it's strange that the media will seek to tear apart one player's image, while leaving another player alone. I don't hate Kobe for it, I don't hate the media for it. I just think it's an interesting point.

by **benji** on Sat Jul 19, 2003 12:14 pm

I don't see the media tearing Kobe's image apart. They love the guy, they're even defending him.

But I dispute the Jordan comment. From what I have seen, far far far more people dislike Kobe than Jordan. Jordan fans dislike Kobe for imitating their favorite, that right there should boost the total.

Anyway:

Kobe also admitted to adultry, all he has to do is pay off that gold diggin skank and it will all be over with.

well, I am pretty sure that the 19 year old girl made this whole story up just for fame and $$$$ ,,,,

come on Kobe just give her some cash and she will shut her mouth,,,

Don't you guys know anything about the Criminal Justice system?

This isn't a civil case. He can't just give her some money and it'll be over. He's charged with a criminal offense, if he pays her now, it will be tampering with a witness and he'll get his ass in jail for sure. It wouldn't prevent the DA from continuing with his case against Kobe.

Kobe has to be guilty. DA's do not prosecute unless they feel they have sufficient evidence to get a guilty verdict.

YouTube · by **Andrew** on Sat Jul 19, 2003 12:44 pm

I don't see the media tearing Kobe's image apart. They love the guy, they're even defending him.

That's the point I was trying to make, though I wasn't as concise in my post. :wink:

by **bishibashiboy** on Sat Jul 19, 2003 1:01 pm

Hmm...I wonder what kind of "physical evidence" the DA actually has. Pictures of bruises? Evidence that shows he actually used force? If that's the case, I don't see how Kobe can ever get a non-guilty verdict in his favor in the end.

But wow what a shocker to me. I guess looks can really be deceiving and that many athletes really do live double lives. I wonder what nba star HASN'T cheater on his wife. :roll:

by **Robby** on Sat Jul 19, 2003 2:00 pm

bishibashiboy wrote:I wonder what nba star HASN'T cheater on his wife.

John Stockton

by **bishibashiboy** on Sat Jul 19, 2003 2:13 pm

Robby wrote:
bishibashiboy wrote:I wonder what nba star HASN'T cheater on his wife.

John Stockton

SOO TRUE..my bad! :lol:

by **paul_pierce_the_truth** on Sat Jul 19, 2003 3:25 pm

Andrew somehow Michael Jordan always has something to do with everything it seems with you. Michael Jordan got so much pub that was good, it always outweighed the negative.

Kobe Bryant prior to this charge, never did anything disruptive on any level. Therefore the media is waiting it out.

Comparing Bryant to Iverson is just fucking non-sense.

Iverson is a thug from beginning to end, thugs will be preceived exactly the way they want to, it's not biased, it's prefered.

Kobe is not Jordan, Kobe is not Iverson. Jordan is the most loved athlete in the history of sports journalism. Do they pounce on every story? Of course they do, that includes the possible purchase of the Milwaukee Bucks to gambling all night before a playoff game.

Each player in my opinion asks for and gets the respect he deserves, at this point Kobe Bryant is not guilty, and before now has never done anything warranting bashing by the media.

I have seen this type of charge before, the only guys I can think of that were convicted were Ruben Patterson and Mike Tyson.

Patterson forced his nanny to give him a blowjob and he got probation.

Ruben Patterson was not pounded by the media, though he's a well known peice of shit.

Mike Tyson was smothered because he was more important to the media than someone like Ruben Patterson, though Tyson had a checkered history, I don't believe it was any worse than Patterson.

If the media trusts you are a solid person, they will give you your day in court. If you are a wife beating waste of sperm and eggs like O.J. Simpson, they will make sure you are the not brought back to fame. The media from the beginning was all over Simpson, thus the past knowledge of him did effect their opinions.

Kobe was a perfect role model, clean from any wrong doings, when something like this comes along, they certainly stick close to the story and report everything often, but they don't say he did it. Like with Iverson. Yes people believed Iverson was holding a gun, what else is new?

Kobe is getting more pub than you think, I am in the Los Angeles area and it's Kobe, Kobe, Kobe and more Kobe. I know that it's the same up in Oregon and Washington because I have talked to people there.

I am here in America and I can tell you this is a huge story, I have heard many people say that the circumstances sound as though the arrest was needed. Over and over the experts say that it adds up to a conviction.

I saw it on Court TV just this afternoon. On CNN last night. They say that it looks very grim for Kobe. No Sportscenter is not going to shred Kobe, they have bills to pay and in long run Kobe is an important assest.

Kobe has some great lawyers hired already, between them they got off Patrick Roy, Hunter S. Thompson and the Ramseys (Jonbonet Ramsey's Parents).

So your point is that Sportscenter or ESPN.com are not saying Kobe's is guilty? When did they ever say Michael Jordan was guilty of something, especially before he was found to be?

Michael Jordan made me sick all year long, it wasn't his fault, it was ESPN and TNT's faults. I couldn't take one more second of Jordan in his Wizards jersey. Showing him every freaking time they got a chance.
I loved Michael Jordan as a Bull, I hated him and all the overdone overcooked bullshit stories in Washington.

I hope the best for Jordan, I hope he stays the hell out of the spotlight for one fucking year at least.

This reminds me of the trusted journalist (well known political journalist) said Jordan tried to steal his date, you (Andrew) say it was a tale or in other words a lie, now do you think this is a good example of a lie?
I believe the writer's story, you may not, that is fine, but not because it doesn't add up or something. It is because you believe someone for some reason thinks it's a good idea to just make a story up about Michael Jordan. So crazy.

Poor Jordan, poor baby, I feel so bad for him.

by **Stevan** on Sat Jul 19, 2003 3:38 pm

LOL take it easy there Paulio, you seem to have slipped off topic for a second there in the conclusion to your post. The story about Jordan was just a story, no proof, and no harm done. The Kobe thing is different.

John Stockton

Yeah John Stockton hasn't cheated... with another woman.

As for Kobe, well atleast this creates something to read about in the offseason. I even saw a pic of him crying. I wish I could turn it on just like that in sticky situations. Andrew, is that the "switch" you were referring to in your discussions about the Lakers?

by **Ceasar121** on Sat Jul 19, 2003 4:05 pm

I think Kobe did it. Cause if he didn't do something wrong, he should of just came out as soon as they charged him and said he commited adultery. He knew what was up and hoped they would miss some key evidence. He's been forth coming about everything else in his career, if he knew he messed up, he should have been outright with it. At this point there is at least enough evidence to prove he had sex with her, so I think there must be more. If he's admitting he did it with her at this point, before even the court case, I would think the evidence is stacked against him. Plus the girl doesn't get money out of this, this is a criminal case, so what does she have to gain?(Besides all the rape victim publicity) She'll wind up being another Monica Lewinsky, Kobe will probably get the standard star slap on the wrist, and I'll be mad I can't hire a million dollar lawyer everytime I have a run in with the law.(Although I would laugh at the idea of Kobe the Convict.... He's gonna get bombed by Dave Chapelle for sure.)

OFF TOPIC - OJ didn't kill those damn people! How can a guy who walks like a robot(he has arthritis in both legs) kill 2 people(stabbing each multiple times) who are younger and in better shape than him? What was one of them watching he stab the other one?!!? It is not easy to stab a living breathing person multiple times. OJ DOES NOT HAVE THE STAMINA TO COMMIT THE CRIME!! Did he pay someone to do it? Maybe.

by **bballer22** on Sat Jul 19, 2003 4:43 pm

no way kobe would have done it... He is smart and has everything going for him now...
I REALY HOPE that after he wins the trial he will sew the girl for all she's worth for defemation of character.!!!!!!!~!!!!!!

by **dave** on Sat Jul 19, 2003 4:51 pm

what does she have to gain?(Besides all the rape victim publicity) She'll wind up being another Monica Lewinsky,

Look at Monica Lewinsky now though... before the Clinton shit she was unknown and now she is world famous, plus she wasn't a "victim". This chick is gonna come out of this lookin like a victim and if she plays it to her advantage she will do really well out of it..

I feel sorry for Kobe in a way... He is my favourite player but he shouldn't have cheated on his wife, that's fucked up. I think the reason he kept quiet about the whole thing in the beginning was because he thought it would all go away and the fact that he cheated wouldn't get found out by his wife. I don't think he is a rapist, i think this chick has just realised she could do well out of this if she fucks him over.

Anyway, all we can do is wait and see what comes of it

Dave

by **paul_pierce_the_truth** on Sat Jul 19, 2003 5:24 pm

OFF TOPIC - OJ didn't kill those damn people! How can a guy who walks like a robot(he has arthritis in both legs) kill 2 people(stabbing each multiple times) who are younger and in better shape than him? What was one of them watching he stab the other one?!!? It is not easy to stab a living breathing person multiple times. OJ DOES NOT HAVE THE STAMINA TO COMMIT THE CRIME!! Did he pay someone to do it? Maybe.

Don't open this can worms.

YouTube · by **Andrew** on Sat Jul 19, 2003 6:01 pm

Andrew somehow Michael Jordan always has something to do with everything it seems with you. Michael Jordan got so much pub that was good, it always outweighed the negative.

Given that Michael Jordan was involved in a suit involving adultery earlier this year, I didn't think it was off-topic.

Kobe Bryant prior to this charge, never did anything disruptive on any level. Therefore the media is waiting it out.

I realise that. But sometimes the media can be quite vindictive. There's a certain distinction in being the guy who ruined the reputation of (insert celebrity's name here). When people in the public eye get in trouble with the law, it's usually blown out of proportion, accusations are thrown. I think it's interesting that the media are not doing that here. I'm not saying they should, it's just an observation.

Comparing Bryant to Iverson is just fucking non-sense.

I don't think it's nonsense to compare and contrast the two. I was just commenting on how image contributes to how we look at individuals when there is an incident.

Kobe is not Jordan, Kobe is not Iverson. Jordan is the most loved athlete in the history of sports journalism. Do they pounce on every story? Of course they do, that includes the possible purchase of the Milwaukee Bucks to gambling all night before a playoff game.

I know that. But when an athlete has a run in with the law, we hear about it. When the charges are serious, we hear a lot about it. People (both fans and media) often rush to judgment fairly quickly.

Each player in my opinion asks for and gets the respect he deserves, at this point Kobe Bryant is not guilty, and before now has never done anything warranting bashing by the media.

I never said he should be bashed by the media. But like I said, we human beings do tend to rush to judgment. I'm surprised the media has not done that. As you say, it's not warranted, but neither is invasion of privacy. The media does that a lot too.

Kobe is getting more pub than you think, I am in the Los Angeles area and it's Kobe, Kobe, Kobe and more Kobe. I know that it's the same up in Oregon and Washington because I have talked to people there.

I am here in America and I can tell you this is a huge story, I have heard many people say that the circumstances sound as though the arrest was needed. Over and over the experts say that it adds up to a conviction.

Fair enough, I don't live in America so I don't have the benefit of US radio and TV. I don't have pay TV so I don't see SportsCenter. But I'm surprised that the Internet media isn't making as big a deal of it. I'm not saying you are wrong or denying it's significant news - it is, which is why I'm surprised I'm not seeing a deluge of columns on the matter.

So your point is that Sportscenter or ESPN.com are not saying Kobe's is guilty? When did they ever say Michael Jordan was guilty of something, especially before he was found to be?

I never said that SportsCenter or ESPN.com said Michael Jordan was guilty of anything. I was referring more to a lot of fans' attitudes about Michael Jordan being a bad person. But there are sportswriters who like to write anything negative they can about Michael Jordan. I realise I'm biased, but still wonder why that is. I mean, why Michael Jordan and not another star player? For that matter, why drag anyone's name through the mud just because they're in the public eye?

This reminds me of the trusted journalist (well known political journalist) said Jordan tried to steal his date, you (Andrew) say it was a tale or in other words a lie, now do you think this is a good example of a lie?

I said it sounded like an urban myth. The way it was written, it sounded very sensationalised. To me, it came off as an urban legend, "Michael Jordan stole my date". Is Michael Jordan a perfect human being? Of course not, we all know that we all suffer from some kind of flaw in our personality. When I read it, it sounded like a well-written tale.

Poor Jordan, poor baby, I feel so bad for him.

Mad as it seems, I do feel somewhat sorry for Michael Jordan and anyone else in the public eye. Consider they cannot live a normal life. Sure, they are well compensated for it, but they still make sacrifices. Not being able to go anywhere without being mobbed by fans (flattering, but not always convenient), not being able to enjoy a family vacation or a quiet dinner without disturbance...for all the millions, it's not very appealing.

Consider the invasion of privacy, always being a topic of conversation, and interviews where you basically answer the same questions every time. Not just Michael Jordan, not just Kobe Bryant, that's anyone with celebrity status. Personally, I still think there's a side of fame that should make us feel sympathy for celebrities. One might say it's the price they pay but there are some things (like invasion of privacy and a lack of courtesy) that just can't be justified.

But I digress.

I probably shouldn't have mentioned Michael Jordan, but the only reason I did so was due to the suit he was involved in earlier this year which also involved adultery - something that Kobe Bryant has apparently admitted to. I was simply raising a point about the way the media was handling it differently due to Kobe's image. I made comparisons with Allen Iverson, a player with a different kind of public image, to illustrate my point about contrasting attitudes in the media.

It was not my intention to accuse or attack Kobe Bryant, but I think that my post might have come across that way. My intention was simply to raise a point about public image and the media, not to condemn Kobe Bryant.

by **Nel** on Sat Jul 19, 2003 7:29 pm

Kobe would be the M.V.P in PRISON!!! :lol:

by **jwin** on Sat Jul 19, 2003 8:30 pm

kobe isn't getting as much attention in n.e. us media as jordan did with the gambling, or even his father's death. i haven't really heard as much as speculation in this case. it's just updates on whatever info comes up and then on to the next story so far. actually the sprewell boat incident a while back had more airtime than kobe has gotten so far. he may have been a good role model before this and well respected, but he's not the huge media darling all over the place that jordan was.

i hope he gets cleared if he is innocent, but if he did do it, he deserves the jail time, as any athlete or non athlete does.

by **benji** on Sun Jul 20, 2003 3:00 am

I wonder what nba star HASN'T cheater on his wife.

A.C. Green?

no way kobe would have done it... He is smart and has everything going for him now...
I REALY HOPE that after he wins the trial he will sew the girl for all she's worth for defemation of character.!!!!!!!~!!!!!!

He admits to doing it though...

Everyone knows OJ did it... :roll:

He got off because his defense team was able to play the race card and fudge a glove exhibit...

Kobe's defense team is already playing the race card if anyone caught the thing on Nightline last night... :roll:

kobe charged..

kobe charged..

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