Bucks - T-Wolves Trade

[Colin]

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MILWAUKEE, June 27: The Milwaukee Bucks have acquired forward Joe Smith and guard Anthony Peeler from the Minnesota Timberwolves in exchange for guard Sam Cassell and center Ervin Johnson, General Manager Ernie Grunfeld announced Friday.

Well what do you think of the deal, personnaly I think Minnesota needs Smith more than they need Cassell because they do have Troy Hudson. But I suppose Troy would be a good energy player off the bench. Your thoughts...

[Gottlieb]

DELETE UR POST already posted a topic

[Vins15]

woh Minnestota finally got rid of Joe Smith eh? now they have 4 point guards wut r they gonna do? (Hudson,Cassel,Brandon who doesn't have a leg anymore and Strickland) but itz gonna be nice to see sumone finally helping Garnett..maybe they could get past first rd next year...

[Colin]

I forgot about Strickland, isn't he going to retire, same with Brandon because of the leg.

Oh, and Gottlieb, two things, number one, can't delete the post as it's a topic, number two, generally the person who posted the topic the second time (you in this case) deletes/has their topic deleted. No bad blood here, just saying.

[Prototype]

Well I personally don't like this trade. I could tolerate Sam Cassell but not Ervin Johnson. The guy gots no offense at all. He's like a Mutombo right now. Well I don't know how this is gonna work out. Troy Hudson might back up Cassell and give that spark off the bench like he did or they can do similar to the Payton-Cassell back-court with Hudson. Timberwolves look to move Wally back to SF which is his primary position. I think Rod Strickland is a free agent so they probably won't sign him back though I really liked what he did for the team. Now Terrell Brandon will be shipped for sure. Other teams are looking to pick him up because he has like $10 million on his contract and since he won't play anymore, once his contract runs out, the team who has him will have a lot of salary cap. Quite a few teams are interested like Pacers and Blazers. Pacers are talking about a deal that would send Ron Mercer, Artest, and or someone else too. While the Blazers are offering Derek Anderson and Ruben Patterson. Personally, I would take the Blazer's offer.

[LeBron James]

weird trade.casell in minnesota jersey .,but he is useful player

[Full Surface]

Who is the T-Wolves' current SG? Maybe Cassell will be able to fill that spot in for now, only problem is his height and size.

[Colin]

I think Wally Szcerbiak plays SG, but he could easily move to the SF.

[Gottlieb]

I forgot about Strickland, isn't he going to retire, same with Brandon because of the leg.

Oh, and Gottlieb, two things, number one, can't delete the post as it's a topic, number two, generally the person who posted the topic the second time (you in this case) deletes/has their topic deleted. No bad blood here, just saying.

first of all chill mate.
i didnt see u posted urs b4 mine, and thats the reason i told u to delete it.
dont lecture me about what is generally done, im no n00b.
just chill, i have no problem if yohance deletes my post and ill say my words over here.

Now Terrell Brandon will be shipped for sure. Other teams are looking to pick him up because he has like $10 million on his contract and since he won't play anymore, once his contract runs out, the team who has him will have a lot of salary cap. Quite a few teams are interested like Pacers and Blazers. Pacers are talking about a deal that would send Ron Mercer, Artest, and or someone else too. While the Blazers are offering Derek Anderson and Ruben Patterson. Personally, I would take the Blazer's offer

do u have any source sayin that?
coz it sounds kinda wierd...
i cant find any team who is willing to give players for this guy...
brandon has contract with minnie...his legs wont let him play anymore but minnie is got to pay him till contract is finished.
i cant seem to wonder what kind of GM would pay this guy a contract till 2005\06...its totally sick, that means in the 2 coming years, paying TB more then 23 million $ for not playin minute?
i dont think this will happend, sorry.

about the deal:

Well i think its a perfect trade for minnie...

Cassell got tones of experience and could lead "us" pass the first round (finnaly).

think of it like this, we got 4 players who usally score 15 or more...(if u look at hudson playoff's numbers and his improvements lately)

look at this starting lineup:

PG- Troy Hudson
SG- Sam Cassell
SF- Wally Szczerbiak
PF- Kevin Garnett
C- Rasho Nesterovic

thats a fuckin championship team imo...

[Colin]

first of all chill mate.

I am chill, I was just saying that, since I would assume that by looking at the post you'd see that I posted it before you and when you said delete it, I had already said in your thread that I'd already posted the topic. I do realize I could've worded it differently as not to make you feel like a n00b, which I know you're not.

[Prototype]

Well, ESPN has been discussing about the Brandon situation for the past few weeks or so. There are also sources within the Minneapolis Tribune or so mentioning this concerning deals with the Pacers. Yesterday at the draft, one of the guys on color commentary or field correspondent brought it up about the Brandon for Anderson and Patterson negotiations. I'm pretty sure it was Andy Katz.

[Clinton]

Good trade for both teams. Minnesota gets the veteran court leader they lost when Brandon was injured and Milwaukee gets some front court help. I don't know where this leaves Hudson, but I don't think a Cassel/Hudson backcourt would work. It worked for the Bucks with Payton because he is such a great defender, but Hudson is a different story, looks like he's back to the bench. Hopefully this is a chance for Joe Smith to make something of his career. He will start for sure and is their only post presence so should put up some decent numbers, the key word there is "should".

look at this starting lineup:

PG- Troy Hudson
SG- Sam Cassell
SF- Wally Szczerbiak
PF- Kevin Garnett
C- Rasho Nesterovic

thats a fuckin championship team imo...

In my opinion that is still nothing better than a 2nd round team in the West. I don't see that backcourt working as I mentioned above and they don't have a great sg. It's either Gill or playing Wally there, which would leave a gap at sf. They really need to deal Wally, while his stock is relatively high for someone who is ready to take some of the slack.

Pacers are talking about a deal that would send Ron Mercer, Artest, and or someone else too. While the Blazers are offering Derek Anderson and Ruben Patterson. Personally, I would take the Blazer's offer.

Neither of those teams are going to trade two of their best young talents for cap room.

[BIG GREEN]

I really can't delete either thread..since there was no violation. It was simply a mistake on both sides...as both of you didn't know the other thread existed. No biggy

On topic....minnesota got the better deal hands down. Sam cassel?...dont you guys remember his play? He's very valuable...and is a veteran. He will be very very useful in their playoff run for clutch plays.

[Andrew]

Joe Smith is becoming one of the most nomadic former number one picks in league history. In Milwaukee, he might be able to revive a career that was fairly promising early on, but has been going downhill since the illegal contract incident.

I think the trade is a good one, though I'm surprised by it given that Hudson did a pretty good job as the team's point guard last season. I guess Brandon is truly done and Strickland won't be back; I doubt Minnesota will go with a backcourt of Hudson and Cassell leaving Igor Rakocevic as the backup PG, so it seems Hudson is back to the bench.

[alexboom]

well, the bucks trading Cassell may tell us that they'll keep Payton ?

Good point for the Wolves who have once again a very good PG, but it's true that Hudson had tremendous playoffs and could have been starting PG next year, unless he or Cassell play SG but will they accept ?

Brandon & Strickland may retire, that's sure, but what about Rakocevic ? In NBA transactions of this month or the previous month, that's written the Wolves released him ?

[.]

Didnt GP said that he dindnt want to leave his boy Sam (Cassell) behind? well, now hes gone he may also go to a championship team like LA or something if he finnaly wants a ring

[Swoosh]

Hudson will play sg imo, its no problem cuz he is more of a scorer than a passer anyway so no problemo i think, cassel gives them an above average, even good pg which will improve the t-wolves but a contender, dont think so, not in the mighty west...

[Gottlieb]

sorry Prototype, i just cant believe a team would do such a trade, just wont happend.

u guys are sayin stuff like this trade is meant to put Troy Hudson on the bench.

thats not correct.

Kevin Mchale said specificly that:

"We just looked at it and thought that Sammy's a guy that has scored at a high level in our league, and the way the Western Conference is, a lot of teams have been playing two-guards, whether it's Van Exel and Nash, or Sacramento does it."

coach Saunders said:
"there's no reason that they're not going to be able to play together."

"He'll be playing with a guard next to him that has the ability to handle the ball and create and also shoot in Troy, and another great shooter in Wally."

so i guess like sacramanto and dallas plays sometimes with 2 guards, nick the quick and nash, on the other side its bibby and jackson, i guess they will play together in most of the minutes and probebly start.

BTW, lol Mchale said that he is planning on some more deals , but i dont think we will go for a second gaurd...

"This is one move we'll make this summer, and we're planning on making a couple more, trying to shore up in other areas. Because we probably need to address the fact that we did lose a quality big guy who can play with Kevin. Hopefully, this isn't the end of everything, it's just the start. "

[Matt]

cant believe Bucks got sucked into taking Smith

[benji]

Joe Smith is becoming one of the most nomadic former number one picks in league history. In Milwaukee, he might be able to revive a career that was fairly promising early on, but has been going downhill since the illegal contract incident.

His career has been going downhill since his second season with Golden State.

I think this is a terrific trade for both sides.

Joe Smith gives Milwaukee a frontcourt player they can actually play up there. No more Anthony Mason wanting to play PG, no more Tim Thomas failing to play at the C/PF. It also opens up a starting spot for Michael Redd. Now you can start "Future All-Star" Dan Gadzuric alongside Smith and Desmond Mason with Redd and Payton (Ford if Payton leaves) in the backcourt. Then you can bring Thomas (who pretty much got the same stats off the bench as he did starting) Kukoc, and Haislip (who should get more playing time and be used properly) off the bench up front. Anthony Peeler can come off the bench play his gang$ta defense and launch threes. Anthony Mason can play PG off the bench where his love for stagnating the offense will do less damage in reduced minutes.

I doubt Minnesota will go with a backcourt of Hudson and Cassell leaving Igor Rakocevic as the backup PG

Why? Mike Wilks is far better than Igor Rakocevic...

You can go with Hudson and Cassell in the backcourt if you want, but I think it's a bad idea. The only reason starting two PGs has worked is because one of those PGs is big enough (and a very very good defensive player) to guard SGs (Snow, Davis, Payton, etc.), Cassell might be 6-3 but he doesn't have the bulk, nor defense to do it well enough in my opinion. Hudson may have exploded against the Lackers, but I suspect it's a Mike Bibby type performance against the Lackers weakest position. Their best bet might be throwing Ebi into the fire at SG. He's too thin to play SF, but at 6-9 he'll have an advantage over other SGs. The pressure is also off with three 20 point threats alongside him in Garnett, Szczerbiak and Cassell. Hudson off the bench could also be considered one if you really stretch. Handling Ebi the same way they did Garnett could work wonders, they started Garnett, but kept his minutes under starting minutes but still close to 30 a game. Those Wolves also had 3 realistic 20 point threats, even if two of them were bad influences, in Rider, Laettner (before he was traded) and Gugliotta. The pressure was still there on KG to perform and be good, but it was softened by there being quality players to take some away. Hudson can still play 30 a night by subbing for Ebi and Cassell.

The Bucks are still probably a team that can go anywhere from 30-50 wins, from missing the playoffs to winning the East, but it's a trade with lots of upside.

The Timberwolves are still a 50-55 win team that will fizzle in the first round provided the Spurs, Kings, Mavericks and Lackers use the offseason to keep the status quo.

Though, if Jordan buys the Bucks, all bets are off. Desmond Mason should get out of there ASAP if that happens, he needs to go to a winner with a good front office. Like Detroit.

[mp3]

well this is a weird trade

look at this starting lineup:

PG- Troy Hudson
SG- Sam Cassell
SF- Wally Szczerbiak
PF- Kevin Garnett
C- Rasho Nesterovic

yeah i agree with this

for the bucks....

PG- Gary Payton/T.J Ford
SG- Michael Redd
SF- Desmond Mason
PF- Tim Thomas/Joe Smith
C- Dan Gadzuric

i think the bucks got the better of the deal

[Prototype]

"In an effort to cut salaries and reduce their chances of having to pay the National Basketball Association's luxury tax, the Bucks on Thursday traded guard Sam Cassell and center Ervin Johnson to the Minnesota Timberwolves for forward Joe Smith and guard Anthony Peeler. Peeler's contract is not guaranteed after this season so the Bucks will cut him and save the $3.7 million and $4.1 million that he was to be paid for the next two seasons."

- Milwaukee Journal Sentinel

The hell are they thinking? If all goes well, hopefully Timberwolves will sign him again? I like what he did for the team.

Well, the Timberwolves will be making MORE changes of course. They'll do everything they can to make Garnett satisfied and keep him in Minnesota. Of course, they'll be doing this for themselves. Considering there will only be 6 players left under contract including newly acquired Cassell and Johnson, they are bound to make a lot of changes. Make that 5 when Brandon goes. He'll go either way, whether being traded or retired. However, I think Minnesota needs to resign Rasho Nesterovic and the least, Gary Trent and or Kendall Gill.

Timberwolves Salary:
Kevin Garnett $25,200,000 6-yr; 126.0M 2003-04
Terrell Brandon $10,175,000 6-yr; 60.0M 2004-05
Joe Smith $4,991,800 6-yr; 34.04M 2006-07
Marc Jackson $3,575,000 6-yr; 24.38M 2006-07
Anthony Peeler $3,350,812 6-yr; 13.10M 2004-05
Wally Szczerbiak $2,933,187 10-yr; 75.6M 2008-09
Radoslav Nesterovic $2,436,813 1-yr; 2.44M 2002-03
Troy Hudson $2,000,000 3-yr; 7.43M 2002-03 (p)
Kendall Gill $1,030,000 1-yr; 1.03M 2002-03
Rod Strickland $1,030,000 1-yr; 1.03M 2002-03
Gary Trent $824,935 1-yr; 824,935 2002-03
Loren Woods $662,435 1-yr; $662,435 2002-03
Felipe Lopez $637,435 2-yr; 1.20M 2002-03
Igor Rakocevic $349,458 1-yr; 349,458 2002-03
Mike Wilks $349,458 1-yr; 349,458 2002-03
Total $59,546,333

Sam Cassell $4,850,000 3-yr; 17.0M 2005-06
Ervin Johnson $3,998,679 9-yr; 24.1M 2004-05

[Andrew]

Why? Mike Wilks is far better than Igor Rakocevic...

I forgot about Wilks.

well, the bucks trading Cassell may tell us that they'll keep Payton ?

It might mean that GP is staying in Milwaukee, but if he doesn't want to stay, the Bucks still have TJ Ford.

[mp3]

the t-wolves released igor...

May 6
Minnesota Timberwolves waive guard Igor Rakocevic

http://www.nba.com/transactions/current ... tions.html

[The Big Racist]

Mon., July 7
Milwaukee requests waivers on guard Anthony Peeler.

seems like milwaukee wants to give micheal redd some big minutes!