Williams or Paul

[GoHornets]

I decided to create this poll because Im seeing a lot of people around the web descussing who is the best point guard, paul or williams.
Obviously I will pick Paul, but I want to see who pick you guys

[Drex]

What poll?

Anyway, I'd pick Paul, too. Williams seems inconsistent.

[GoHornets]

Sorry

[benji]

One of them is having the best season of a player not named LeBron James. One of them is on the league's best offensive team.

I'll take the former.

[Lamrock]

Deron Williams is one of my favorite players in this league, and he is certainly an all-star caliber player. Chris Paul is a legitimate superstar and the best point guard in the NBA. No contest, CP3.

[L10]

my vote go for paul cus he is having an spectacular season.
imo deron williams isnt such a superstar, maybe because he has boozer on his team.

[Lamrock]

I don't see Williams getting any votes... Unless there are mor(m)ons and/or Jazz fans here.

[L10]

im having the same feeling.

[joejam999]

What poll?

Anyway, I'd pick Paul, too. Williams seems inconsistent.

? He has averaged over 18 pts and 16 ast in the jazz's last 4-5 games. He is the MVP of the jazz, he brings it every night. You guys watch to much ESPN where all they do is suck Paul's dick. If Deron was playing anywhere else he would be getting more attention than Paul.

I really do hope the Jazz play the Hornets in the first round.

[Lamrock]

What poll?

Anyway, I'd pick Paul, too. Williams seems inconsistent.

? He has averaged over 18 pts and 16 ast in the jazz's last 4-5 games. He is the MVP of the jazz, he brings it every night. You guys watch to much ESPN where all they do is suck Paul's dick. If Deron was playing anywhere else he would be getting more attention than Paul.

I really do hope the Jazz play the Hornets in the first round.

From the one member of our forum from Utah. Chris Paul is leading the Hornets (who has a clearly inferior supporting cast to Utah) to a better record than the Jazz, and is putting up superior stats across the board. Sure, Williams very well may be the MVP of the Jazz, but Paul is easily the Hornets' MVP.

[JT_55]

Wait, then who has the other vote for Williams?

[Laxation]

Not even a contest...

[J@3]

Deron Williams is underrated in these comparisons. Obviously it's Paul but it isn't as huge a margin as some make out.

[Chino]

Wait, then who has the other vote for Williams?

I am the one who voted for Williams. I was about to vote on Paul but I didn't saw that I was voting for Williams.

[Bruce]

I'd have to say, I haven't seen a PG in the mold of Chris Paul for a very long time. A complete ball player at a height of a shade under 6ft. Deron, while he is a gifted player and a true PG, is in my opinion still a step behind CP3.

[Lakers'fan]

Paul is better and he is having a career season. Why Paul is better? He can defend and Williams struggles on this. At offense, I think they are both at the same level.

[BIG GREEN]

Williams is not a pure PG...he's a SG who knows how to pass...like lebron is a SF that knows how to pass. Obviously paul is the best PG.

[Oskar]

Indeed, CP3, not because he's one of my favourites, it's for real, CP is better that Deron.

[---]

Paul is better and he is having a career season. Why Paul is better? He can defend and Williams struggles on this. At offense, I think they are both at the same level.

I think Deron is the better defender. It's mostly due to the size and strength he has of Chris, but he's definately underrated in this aspect. I've really liked what I've seen from him defensively this year, and would put him over Chris.

Williams is not a pure PG...he's a SG who knows how to pass...like lebron is a SF that knows how to pass. Obviously paul is the best PG.

I'd say Deron is as much of a point guard as Jason Kidd, who is known as a "pure point". Deron may score 19 points a game, but he's always looking to set up teammates first and foremost. Jason Kidd was still a pure point back when he had that 19/6/9 season. Just because Deron is the better scorer than most guys known as pure point guards doesn't mean he isn't a set-up first kind of guy. You can still pencil him in for 10 assists a night.

Anyway, I, like most, will take Chris Paul. I didn't understand the Deron Williams is better than Chris Paul debate last season, and this season only solidifies my thinking. Chris Paul is an incredible talent who is right now, the leagues best point guard. There's nothing much he can't do, it's very hard to name a legit weakness he has. Probably the only thing you can pick at is his outside shooting, but hes still hitting the three at 37%. You can talk about his size but it really hasn't been a problem at all.

Very few players can defend him one-on-one because he's a very good scorer. He's extremely quick and will get into the lane with ease. If he doesn't, he's got a nice jumper to fall back on with three point range where he seems pretty comfortable. If you do stop him, you have to defend arguably the best passer in the game today, and he's going to give the ball up at the perfect time for a basket. If you stop the pass, you better hope you don't foul him because he's shooting almost 90% from the line.

What a player.

[el badman]

Damn, Deron is getting crushed...
I chose him, Paul is pretty amazing too but I guess I'd rather pick someone who's physically stronger and who has already proven that he has a solid playoff-ready attitude, and that he's not afraid of taking big shots.
I'm sure Paul will be a great playoff contender too, but he also tends to get injured a lot more, so for now I'd pick Deron.

[Lamrock]

All good points. Much better than joejam's biased nonsensical argument. I would still take CP3 though. He is simply the better player.

I can understand the Deron > CP3 argument of last year, as I believe it myself. He put up about the same stats, but did not suffer from injuries, and led a successful team to the conference finals. These days, CP3 is putting up better stats across the board for a team with a better record.

[benji]

Paul has put up better stats every single season. Williams has never been a better player statistically than Paul, it's not even been close.

I will never understand why people put 80% of the emphasis when comparing players on their teams instead of their individual performances.

Williams "led" the Jazz? Boozer's 24/12 didn't? Are we focusing too much on Williams' Spurs series and not the two that came before it? (Before that series his playoff numbers were 16.5ppg on 44% shooting.)

And what the hell is a "pure point guard" anyway?

And what's the deal with seedless watermelon?

[Lamrock]

Paul has put up better stats every single season. Williams has never been a better player statistically than Paul, it's not even been close.

2005-06 and this year, yes. 2006-07, no. They put up nearly identical numbers last season. Granted, Paul's were still slightly higher, but it was close, and don't forget he missed a chunk of the season. Williams (80 games, 16.2 PPG, 9.3 APG, 3.3 RPG, 1 SPG, 3 TOPG), Paul (64 Games, 17.2 PPG, 8.9 APG, 4.4 RPG, 1.8 SPG, 2.5 TOPG)

I will never understand why people put 80% of the emphasis when comparing players on their teams instead of their individual performances.

Well, individual stats do not matter if your team sucks. I mean, look at 2003-04 Tracy McGrady. He averaged 28, 6 and 5. Did he deserve MVP consideration? No, because his Magic won 19 games. Stats are important, but what matters in the end is making your team win.

Williams "led" the Jazz? Boozer's 24/12 didn't? Are we focusing too much on Williams' Spurs series and not the two that came before it? (Before that series his playoff numbers were 16.5ppg on 44% shooting.)

Deron Williams was and is their Steve Nash. Would you call Amare Stoudamire the leader of the Suns?

[benji]

Deron Williams was and is their Steve Nash. Would you call Amare Stoudamire the leader of the Suns?

How do we know he isn't? He is their best player after all. "Leader" is completely subjective.

2005-06 and this year, yes. 2006-07, no. They put up nearly identical numbers last season. Granted, Paul's were still slightly higher, but it was close, and don't forget he missed a chunk of the season. Williams (80 games, 16.2 PPG, 9.3 APG, 3.3 RPG, 1 SPG, 3 TOPG), Paul (64 Games, 17.2 PPG, 8.9 APG, 4.4 RPG, 1.8 SPG, 2.5 TOPG)

They put up "nearly indentical" per game stats, but who cares about how many minutes they played? Paul had close to twice as many steals and 25% fewer turnovers. His ORtg was 116, Williams' was 111. Many of Paul's advantages may have been slight individually (and "nearly indentical"), but that adds up, as a result Paul's PER was 22.0 to Williams' 17.1. Paul did more to win games.

Well, individual stats do not matter if your team sucks. I mean, look at 2003-04 Tracy McGrady. He averaged 28, 6 and 5. Did he deserve MVP consideration? No, because his Magic won 19 games. Stats are important, but what matters in the end is making your team win.

I don't even know where to start with this.

MVP consideration has nothing to do with whether or not a player wins games, it has to do with who is getting the media off more.

Of course what matters is "making your team win", which is why stats matter, as they inform you of how that player is helping his team beyond making up idiotic things like "he makes everyone better" or "his being a role model makes everyone instantly play better defense."

To deny McGrady's 03-04 season is not great and that he wasn't likely one of the top five or at minimum, top ten players that season because HIS TEAM sucked is completely ignoring McGrady's performance, and attributing the entire worth of the team to him alone. Statistically only two players were better that season, and it would be basically impossible to argue he wasn't better than everyone below him aside from Shaq and Kobe. (Unless you're an efficiency and hottness fetishist, who would offer up Brand, Cassell, Kirilenko and Nowitzki.)

Which you wouldn't have been doing, because you're not a complete idiot. Instead, you changed the discussion to say that team success matters in MVP consideration, which has nothing to do with what wins games or what anyone was talking about.

[Andrew]

My vote goes to Chris Paul, but as Jae alluded to it's not as though Deron Williams is a scrub in comparison.