WHY LeBron & Kobe different???

kobe and LBJ is different. <edited for sauru's comments>

first of all kobe was drafted by CHA (13th pick) <edited for jae>, it was to be a back-up player, role player or a piece for a title with Eddie Jones, Nick van Exel and SHAQ, not to be the lead guard of LA, kobe wasn't drafted with the hype that lebron has, so year 1 for kobe is entirely incomparable to LBJ's year 1. LBJ was drafted no. 1 and everybody expects him to be a michael jordan, kobe was a work-in-progress after a mediocre year 1, that is year 1.

since kobe showed potential he made eddie expendable and build around the SHAQ and KOBE, you don't expect kobe to have numbers the way LBJ is having in his 3rd season, since kobe has shaq, i think you know what happened when kobe started scoring like LBJ? (SHAQ hated him)
that's why many people called him selfish because shaq should get the ball.
so for those years with shaq you wouldn't see kobe putting out LBJ like numbers right? and in 03-04 they even have the FAV 4, which means kobe is not the only guy who pulls shaq's numbers there's malone and payton.

So does comparison starts in the post shaq era? nope age wise you'll say kobe is too old for lebron at 26 yrs old and kobe has far more experience then, but lebron at age 18 (ROOKIE) avg's 20.9 kobe at 18 avg's 7.6ppg, see what i mean DIFFERENT, you can never compare kobe and LBJ in their 5th seasons, 2nd, 4th, and so on.

Physique! i think lebron will retire with more rebounds, points and blks than kobe, lbj is physically built, if you can see when this to guys played, lbj eats kobe in the post, kobe is no match to LBJ in the post,
LBJ stands 6'8"-6'9 240lbs while kobe 6'6"-6'7" 215-220 lbs that is 20-25-lbs difference, so they are different.

another thing is "TALENT" everybody knows how talented kobe is, but if you see lebron at 6'9" 240lbs running like hell that's unbelievable, he is like grant hill (in prime) but stronger and fierce , LBJ is so talented for that 6'9" SF position, he can pass, he can definitely score and run, when was the last guy this big and strong run so well??? and he has an outstanding court vision, the only part where kobe has the edge on LBJ is in scoring , and defensive tenacity, kobe is (IMO) the best lock-down / face-up defender in the game right now if only he doesn't have to play too much offense, just look what he did in the Olympic qualifiers... he basically shut down the leading scorer barbosa and every scorer he faces. this two guys are both good in their own way.

STATS, i think lebron is winning this like i say he will retire with more rebs and blks maybe points, and if you can see the 3-double rate, LBJ is doing a better job.

SO the only way to compare this two guys is in the Winning department, who can win more defines a good player, malone score more than MJ stat wise, stockton stole the ball and dished more passes than MJ, wilt avg's 50ppg in one season way better than MJ, oscar outnumbered MJ's 3-double by a mile,elgin baylor is one of the prolific scorers, but how come when it comes to the best player in the NBA it goes down to MJ, BILL, Kreem and MAGIC, because these guys didn't just excite the crowd, they WIN, MJ 6 titles, Bill 9 titles, Magic 5 titles, and kareem 6 titles you know why we can tell who's better of all the great players in the NBA? because some players proved that they could win and that would separate KOBE and LBJ in the future, we both know that these two can excite the crowd so it's all about winning. you know why tim duncan is great? <DELETED: i agree with benji> because tim wins.


Kobe won 3 titles but he doesn't take all of the credit since it is the SHAQ and KOBE era, unlike in chicago it was the Decade of Dominance of MJ, the Showtime Lakers of MAGIC, and the BILL Russel's CELTICS.

so i think we should stop the who's the better player argument. they are both great and different in so many ways.

BUT if i were to pick between LBJ and KOBE now... last year i would pick LBJ that's not even close, but this year the cavs are still trying to find themselves and still trying to be in the class were det and bos is, i'll pick KOBE this year, since he's winning, and he starts to know how to trusts his teammates. and when it comes to teammate talent?? last two years LBJ has better teammates than kobe, but this year bynum has improved, and the addition of the veteran fisher and so is the supporting cast of the LAL they're playing better now, some people say kobe made them better some may say kobe has nothing to do with it but i think it's how you relate to teammates that defines a great player. larry, Z, varejao, Pavlovic, gibson is not playing as well as the lakers bynum, farmar, fish, lamar etc. this year.


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Last edited by GH33 on Fri Jan 18, 2008 11:42 am, edited 7 times in total.

kobe and LBJ is different and incomparable.

first of all kobe was drafted by CHA (13th pick) not a lottery pick, it was to be a back-up player, role player or a piece for a title with Eddie Jones, Nick van Exel and SHAQ, not to be the lead guard of LA, kobe wasn't drafted with the hype that lebron has, so year 1 for kobe is entirely incomparable to LBJ's year 1. LBJ was drafted no. 1 and everybody expects him to be a michael jordan, kobe was a work-in-progress after a mediocre year 1, that is year 1.

YOU CAN EXPRESS YOUR OPINIONS ON MY POST. THIS IS MY OPINION.

first of all they are comparable, every player can be compared to any other player no matter thier position, age, or era of play

second, kobe was not meant to be a back up role player. kobe was hyped when he came out but back then teams did not bank on highschool players so they didnt get drafted very high. clearly kobe was not hyped to the extent lebron was but he was hyped and was expected to be a big time player in the nba, not just someones backup

Excellent. We needed another thread for this.

SO the only way to compare this two guys is in the Winning department, who can win more defines a good player, malone score more than MJ stat wise, stockton stole the ball and dished more passes than MJ, wilt avg's 50ppg in one season way better than MJ, oscar outnumbered MJ's 3-double by a mile,elgin baylor is one of the prolific scorers, but how come when it comes to the best player in the NBA it goes down to MJ, BILL, Kreem and MAGIC, because these guys didn't just excite the crowd, they WIN, MJ 6 titles, Bill 9 titles, Magic 5 titles, and kareem 6 titles you know why we can tell who's better of all the great players in the NBA? because some players proved that they could win and that would separate KOBE and LBJ in the future, we both know that these two can excite the crowd so it's all about winning. you know why tim duncan is great? even though he is not a stat monster? because he wins.

This is where your argument descends from simple madness into complete madness.

No NBA player, save perhaps Wilt Chamberlain, has had a statistically superior career to Michael Jordan. Using PER for its summary purposes, and because I doubt you could even begin to fathom a four factors discussion, we can see that Jordan recorded seven number one finishes, and three second place finishes from 1984-97, and he was fourth in 1997-98. No modern (post-ABA) player can even begin to match that. The most dominant post-Jordan player, Shaquille O'Neal achieved five first place finishes, along with three second and third place finishes. (And one fourth placer.)

Tim Duncan isn't a statistical monster? Since when? Five top three PER finishes, seven top five. Regular top ten rebounding and shot blocking finishes. Likely the greatest defensive player of the era.

so i think we should stop the who's the better player argument.

if i were to pick between LBJ and KOBE...

Right.

last two years LBJ has better teammates than kobe, but this year bynum has improved, and the addition of the veteran fisher and so is the supporting cast of the LAL they're playing better now

So the improved play of his teammates PROVES Kobe is better! Because he's winning!

I can't believe this discussion is even happening.

so many flaws in mypost, i apologize guys, thanks for your opinions anyway...
since i agree with the first two opinions i kinda edited some in my post.

Are you shitting me?

first of all kobe was drafted by CHA (13th pick) not a lottery pick

13th pick is a lottery pick...

Are you shitting me?

first of all kobe was drafted by CHA (13th pick) not a lottery pick

13th pick is a lottery pick...

as i was saying there were many flaws...
i apologize again,okay, he's is not a top 5 pick and a not the franchise kind of a guy pick compared to lebron.

Last edited by GH33 on Fri Jan 18, 2008 11:04 pm, edited 1 time in total.

i don't think it's really fair to compare kobe's career stats with LBJ stats because kobe did not contribute right away. when the lakers drafted kobe, they already had an established superstar in shaquille o'neal; he was more so of a project than anything. lebron just got thrown right into the mix and was expected to contribute right away for a team that was always headed to the lottery year in and year out. take kobe's first two seasons out, he would be averaging roughly 28 ppg, 5.8 rpg and 5.1 apg.

How is any of this a valid argument?

The instant you have to start dismissing certain parts of the data you don't like, you lose the argument. It's one thing if you're throwing out Jordan's come back five years later. It's another when you're trying to throw out Kobe's worst years, and then not throwing out LeBron's corresponding first year.

And enough with this "boo hoo Shaq took all his possessions" bullshit.

Kobe Bryant at age 22: 31.8% of possessions
LeBron James at age 22: 31.0% of possessions

I don't know how you can penalize LeBron James for not playing with another superstar.

LeBron James is having a Jordanesque quality season, and one better than Kobe Bryant has ever had, if he continues with such things he will easily have a superior career than Kobe.

Is it possible LeBron does not continue this? Of course it is. Until age 24, Tracy McGrady was Kobe Bryant's superior at every age. Then after putting together a Jordan level season at age 23 (hmmm...similar to LeBron), he fell apart.

nice to see another Kobe vs LBJ thread lolz.

Kobe is better basketball player than LeBron. Hands down.

^^^^Most compelling and well put together post of the century; I like the way you deligate your points and facts. Let's lock the thread..the great "SABaller" has spoken

^^^^Most compelling and well put together post of the century; I like the way you deligate your points and facts. Let's lock the thread..the great "SABaller" has spoken

i second this