Kurt Thomas To Seattle

by **Lamrock** on Sat Jul 21, 2007 4:13 am

I really hope that this hasn't been posted it... but hopefully I was the first on news for once. Kurt Thomas traded to Seattle along with 2 second-rounders for a trade exception and a second-rounder.

Good trade for the Sonics, since his contract expires in 2 years, and he is better than Swift.

Bad trade for Phoenix, since Thomas expires in 2 years, and now they have one less big guy. If they intend to win in the playoffs, this is a bad move.

Source: http://www.nba.com/news/433057.html

by **Sauru** on Sat Jul 21, 2007 4:16 am

i am not entirely sure what a trade exception is, i assume its extra money you can apply to make salaries match better to complete a deal? please correct that if its wrong. anyway if that is true and thats what it means then they must have another move planned otherwise this is a very very very bad move. they were close last year, a couple tweaks and they might have had a chance. thomas played big for them and they really could have used him again this season. now if they make another deal for another big(kg?) then its well worth it. we will have to see.

by **cyanide** on Sat Jul 21, 2007 4:32 am

Seattle also gets the Suns' 2008 and 2010 first round picks. This trade exception or whatever it is, must be worth it. Can someone give an example of a trade exception for a hypothetical scenario?

by **Sauru** on Sat Jul 21, 2007 4:34 am

they also get 2 first round picks? then again phoenix dont ever use thier picks it seems lol. anyway they must making another move. i too am curious to see a "hypothetical scenario"

by **benji** on Sat Jul 21, 2007 4:34 am

The internet! http://members.cox.net/lmcoon/salarycap.htm#68

Here is an example of a non-simultaneous trade: a team trades away a $2 million player for a $1 million player. Sometime in the next year, they trade a draft pick (with zero trade value itself) for a $1.1 million player to complete the earlier trade. They ended up acquiring $2.1 million in salary for their $2 million player -- they just didn't do it all at once, or even necessarily with the same trading partner.

In the above example, after the initial trade of the $2 million player for the $1 million player, it was like the team had a "credit" for one year, with which they could acquire up to $1.1 million in salaries without having to send out salaries to match. This credit is often referred to as a Traded Player exception or a trade exception, but be aware that the CBA uses the name "Traded Player exception" to refer to the entire exception which allows teams to make trades above the salary cap (including simultaneous trades, non-simultaneous trades, and base year compensation).

Also...

Here is a more complicated example of a legal non-simultaneous trade: a team has a $4 million Traded Player exception from an earlier trade, and a $10 million player it currently wants to trade. Another team has three players making $4 million, $5 million and $7 million, and the teams want to do a three-for-one trade with these players. This is legal -- the $5 million and $7 million players together make less than the 125% plus $100,000 allowed for the $10 million player ($12,600,000), and the $4 million player exactly fits within the $4 million Traded Player exception. So the $4 million player actually completes the previous trade, leaving the two teams trading a $10 million player for a $5 million and a $7 million player. From the other team's perspective it's all just one big simultaneous trade: their $4 million, $5 million and $7 million players for the $10 million player.

And because I found it funny...

A good example of this occurred in 2004 when Houston traded Steve Francis, Cuttino Mobley and Kelvin Cato to Orlando for Tracy McGrady, Juwan Howard, Tyronn Lue and Reece Gaines. As a single trade, it could only be simultaneous since multiple players were moving each way. However, Houston was able to reorganize the trade into three separate trades. In one trade, they acquired McGrady and Gaines for Mobley and Cato. In another trade, they acquired Howard and Lue using an existing Traded Player exception from their earlier Glen Rice trade. That left them trading Francis essentially by himself for nothing, which generated a new Traded Player exception in the amount of Francis' base year value. From Orlando's perspective, it was a single, simultaneous three-for-four trade.

Heh.

Phoenix was just making the trade to cut down on their luxuy tax payment.

by **Keo** on Sat Jul 21, 2007 5:16 am

Lamrock93 wrote:Bad trade for Phoenix, since Thomas expires in 2 years, and now they have one less big guy. If they intend to win in the playoffs, this is a bad move.

I disagree, it's a good move by both teams. The Suns needed to clear some salary and this trade gives them exactly that.

On the other hand, Seattle lands two first round picks which certainly should come in handy. They will also find much more use in Thomas than the Suns did.

by **Lamrock** on Sat Jul 21, 2007 5:20 am

Keo wrote:They will also find much more use in Thomas than the Suns did.

I disagree. The Suns are a playoff team that is already lacking a backup inside presence. The Sonics are a young, rebuilding team. Sure, it is great to have a better Center than Robert Swift and a leader, but I think the Suns need him more.

In the playoffs when they are facing San Antonio, Dallas, Houston or Utah, they will be kicking themselves for this deal.

by **Anthony15** on Sat Jul 21, 2007 5:26 am

Kurt can be their starter at 5, finally they can fill up this position that they've been not able to for years. It gives them a solid shooter as a big man. I doubt he'll be resigned by them in 2 years though.

by **Lamrock** on Sat Jul 21, 2007 5:30 am

Well, that is a positive. Because by then end of his 2 year contract, I think that barring injury, a Swift/Petro rotation at the 5 will be just fine.

by **maceo24** on Sat Jul 21, 2007 5:40 am

The suns will sorely miss his toughness. sure they relieved some cap, but Thomas gave their interior D some teeth its sorely needed. Amare is a shotblocker/rebounder, but not an enforcer like Thomas is. They will miss him dearly.

by **Dro** on Sat Jul 21, 2007 6:17 am

Suns-nation is up in arms right now. We're pissing our respective pants in worry over at phxsuns.net.

This may be the worst trade in Suns history. I understand that it gets the Suns out of cap hell, but NO WAY IN HELL do you give up 2 first round picks to get rid of a player who can still contribute! If you absolutely HAVE to get rid of someone and are willing to get rid of two first rounders to do it, you get rid of Marcus Banks, who has not and will not contribute anything in his stint as a member of the Suns. This leaves the Suns with who to guard Tim Duncan in the playoffs? Uhh...Amare Stoudemire (cool, he'll average 20mpg and 6 fouls per game), Doris Diaw (not a typo)...Sean Marks? YES! SEAN MARKS IS THE ANSWER!

Not. The first pick in the 2010 draft...that would be the year of Steve Nash's final year in his contract. That's not going to be a shitty pick.

If the Suns can sign PJ Brown for the vet minimum, I'll think of this as a poor trade instead of horrible. The only way I would approve of this trade is if it somehow landed us Marcus Camby...and that won't happen.

by **cyanide** on Sat Jul 21, 2007 6:22 am

Word is that Sarver wanted this deal to save money. I think it's a bad move to lose Thomas when they're on the verge of a championship. And two first rounders? Yikes.

by **maceo24** on Sat Jul 21, 2007 6:45 am

What big guy do they have on their bench now? The more I think about it the more it baffles me.

edit actually, I figured it out. Theyre gonna buy out Yi's contract from the bucks he hope he comes stateside. :lol:

by **maes** on Sat Jul 21, 2007 7:05 am

So let's see, the Sonics got two 1st round draft picks in order to take on a moderate, $8M salary for only 1 year for a player in their weakest position who can still productively play.

If the Jeff Green pick works out,

Presti = Executive of the Year.

I can see why Suns fans are upset, but IMO Suns were living on borrowed time for years now. No non-major city can field these kind of contracts. Not even Chicago will go above lux tax. I honestly thought it was Marion who was going to be dealt because Marion can bring a very good player in return.

Giving two 1st picks to ask another to team to take your 2nd best Center...insanity.

by **Silas** on Sat Jul 21, 2007 8:35 am

Oh boy do I like this trade. I was really hoping the trade exception would be used to bring in a star point guard like Bibby, but being realistic this is probably best case scenario for the Sonics.

I still think Swift will be the starter most of the year, assuming his recovery rumors are true (i.e. packing on freakish amounts of muscle and having a good jump shot), and besides, I think its safe to say the 07-08 season will likely be a rebuilding one, and so as a result they're going to play guys like Swift and Petro more than they otherwise would. But, no matter how much or little Thomas plays, he's going to be valuable asset, and I think he's proven he can really play. He seems to be fairly healthy as well. On a side not and sside from a productive NBA career, I always thought he had one of the best stat lines in the last 20 years when it comes to college big men.

by **Sauru** on Sat Jul 21, 2007 8:49 am

there is no likely about it, this is a rebuilding year for seattle but they have done everything right so far. they bring in a solid vet to help tutor the young guys then when he use is up they get the cap room needed to resign/lure free agents. the sonics thus far have made the best offseason moves imo.

as for the suns, you can kiss thier championship hopes good bye. unless they maker a major trade by sending out marion and bringing it 2-3 guys who can contribute i dont see them going anywhere. if i was a phoenix fan i would be really pissed at how the suns are going about this offseason.

note: before anyone complains that thomas didnt mean that much to the team so they still have a shot i will have to argue that he meant a shit load and was the only one even remotely able to defend anyone specially when amare was out

by **The X** on Sat Jul 21, 2007 8:58 am

Dro wrote:Suns-nation is up in arms right now. We're pissing our respective pants in worry over at phxsuns.net.

This may be the worst trade in Suns history. I understand that it gets the Suns out of cap hell, but NO WAY IN HELL do you give up 2 first round picks to get rid of a player who can still contribute! If you absolutely HAVE to get rid of someone and are willing to get rid of two first rounders to do it, you get rid of Marcus Banks, who has not and will not contribute anything in his stint as a member of the Suns. This leaves the Suns with who to guard Tim Duncan in the playoffs? Uhh...Amare Stoudemire (cool, he'll average 20mpg and 6 fouls per game), Doris Diaw (not a typo)...Sean Marks? YES! SEAN MARKS IS THE ANSWER!

finally, Marks might get to play

he use to practice against Duncan everyday, so why not?!? but seriously, if Amare is so great as everyone makes him out to be, then he should be able to contain Duncan without accumulating fouls....otherwise, put the Kiwi on him & love it....this is a good trade if they don't sign any idiot to play in front of Marks....

it's the James Jones' trade that I didn't like....

by **Sauru** on Sat Jul 21, 2007 9:05 am

i still say too bad for phoenix that atlanta didnt want amare, cause having kg in town woulda changed everything.

by **JT_55** on Sat Jul 21, 2007 10:06 am

Wow, this is a horrible trade for the Suns. Two first rounders to get rid of a useful guy for a second rounder and a lousy trade exemption. If I'm San Antoino or Dallas I'm licking my chops right now.

I was watching the sports channel and this was on the ticker and I was like...WTF? Is this a typo?

by **Anthony15** on Sat Jul 21, 2007 10:47 am

Sauru wrote:i still say too bad for phoenix that atlanta didnt want amare, cause having kg in town woulda changed everything.

Not in the long run, but for this year it would have made them an automatic western conference finals team for sure. In the long run, it would hurt them ,because KG's retirement isn't that far away.

by **maceo24** on Sat Jul 21, 2007 10:55 am

I dunno about that. I see KG playing another 5-6 years. His heart is THAT big.

Bluesky · by **Andrew** on Sat Jul 21, 2007 11:56 am

It makes sense financially for the Suns but it's a complete bust in every other aspect. If nothing else, the luxury tax seems to be making it easier for a few teams to pick up bargains in trades.

by **benji** on Sat Jul 21, 2007 12:00 pm

Well, that was evident the first year it was put in place, when the Pistons picked up Cliff Robinson and Jon Barry for second round picks. Part of the reason they got Billups was because one concern for Minny was the luxury tax.

by **The X** on Sat Jul 21, 2007 12:41 pm

Andrew wrote:It makes sense financially for the Suns but it's a complete bust in every other aspect. If nothing else, the luxury tax seems to be making it easier for a few teams to pick up bargains in trades.

if teams managed their caps better (i.e. not giving Rashard Lewis ridiculous money & giving guys like Kapono MLE) then it wouldn't happen as much....I think luxury tax is good for the league....it's not like it sets in the moment you go over cap either, so it's not too bad....

by **Sauru** on Sat Jul 21, 2007 1:17 pm

Anthony15 wrote:
Sauru wrote:i still say too bad for phoenix that atlanta didnt want amare, cause having kg in town woulda changed everything.

Not in the long run, but for this year it would have made them an automatic western conference finals team for sure. In the long run, it would hurt them ,because KG's retirement isn't that far away.

i rather get 1 ring then go through rebuilding then going through 5 years of almost, maybe next season

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