The Most Overrated Player in the NBA?

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IMO, Vince Carter is the most overrated in the NBA. Not a good defensive player, terrible in the clutch and definitely not the play he once was before he slowed down. Was the original 'next Jordan' but was the guy who least lived up to this tag with LeBron, Kobe, T-Mac, D-Wade surpassing him easily as better players. His FG% in the playoffs is a terrible .418. Also a very lazy defender.

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IMO, Vince Carter is the most overrated in the NBA. Not a good defensive player, terrible in the clutch and definitely not the play he once was before he slowed down. Was the original 'next Jordan' but was the guy who least lived up to this tag with LeBron, Kobe, T-Mac, D-Wade surpassing him easily as better players. His FG% in the playoffs is a terrible .418. Also a very lazy defender.

Errr...wrong...big time.

Vince Carter has turned into a very good shooter from anywhere, or at least very improved since going to New Jersey.

Kobe scores by shooting twice as much as most players and is a ball hog, so I'm going to say Kobe in that sense.

Tracy McGrady is the most overated SHOOTER out of all the "superstars" and is a totally lazy ass bum.

Dwayne Wade, cant say anything bad about him besides 3 point shooting, but every other aspect of Wade's game is superb to ANYONES on that list. Defense, Passing....

Lebron is NOT Michael Jordan, MJ wouldnt of been held to 14 points, and 0-7 from the field in the first half by Bruce Bowen. If Lebron is like ANY other "superstar" hes more like Magic Johnson. Lebron is too worried about doing best for his TEAM and not HIMSELF to be MJ.

[JT_55]

Lebron is too worried about doing best for his TEAM and not HIMSELF to be MJ.

Isn't that good then?

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JT_55,

I'd rather have someone like Magic then Jordan, you get more from Magic then MJ.

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IMO, Vince Carter is the most overrated in the NBA. Not a good defensive player, terrible in the clutch and definitely not the play he once was before he slowed down. Was the original 'next Jordan' but was the guy who least lived up to this tag with LeBron, Kobe, T-Mac, D-Wade surpassing him easily as better players. His FG% in the playoffs is a terrible .418. Also a very lazy defender.

Errr...wrong...big time.

Vince Carter has turned into a very good shooter from anywhere, or at least very improved since going to New Jersey.

Kobe scores by shooting twice as much as most players and is a ball hog, so I'm going to say Kobe in that sense.

Tracy McGrady is the most overated SHOOTER out of all the "superstars" and is a totally lazy ass bum.

Dwayne Wade, cant say anything bad about him besides 3 point shooting, but every other aspect of Wade's game is superb to ANYONES on that list. Defense, Passing....

Lebron is NOT Michael Jordan, MJ wouldnt of been held to 14 points, and 0-7 from the field in the first half by Bruce Bowen. If Lebron is like ANY other "superstar" hes more like Magic Johnson. Lebron is too worried about doing best for his TEAM and not HIMSELF to be MJ.

Who do you think Kobe should give the ball to then. Lamar Odom isn't gonna put up any more than 18PPG. Do you think Vince Carter is capable of scoring 81 points or averaging 35 per game over a season if he was in Kobe's position. And don't say "yea anyone could if they shot as much as Kobe" cause if that was the case Kobe would be averaging around 81 points per game.

Have you seen Tracy McGrady score 13 points in 35 seconds to beat the Spurs? You call him lazy, the guy has had back spasms both this season and last season. If it wasn't for his back spasms he'd be putting up 29/30 points a night. I didn't say LeBron was Michael Jordan, but he's in a group of players who have been proclaimed 'the next Jordan'. And this has nothing to do with comparing MJ to LeBron its about Vince Carter being the most overrated player in basketball.

[volsey]

Wow so lost here. First you say Kobe is overrated because he shoots too much and doesn't pass the ball to his team. Then say LeBron isn't good because he thinks too much about his team??? I couldn't come up with a WORSE argument than that.

Both Carter and Tmac have admitted to not giving it their all on certain nights, it just seems like they just don't have the same kind of motivation as a Wade, Kobe, MJ. But I wouldn't go as far as saying they're both overrated. Carter has been clutch at times these past couple seasons, but definitely not in the playoffs. But he definitely has the ability to motivate his team and the crowd with one of his amazing plays at any time.

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weejontee,
Scoring 81 poitns doesnt show anything more then being a ball hog. And I meant......McGrady is lazy on Defense....And Yes...Vince Carter could average 35 PPG easily. All Vince Carter needs is the ball 7 more times max and hed have higher then 35 PPG, gurantee you.
volsey,
Check the stats man, Kobe IS overated. He does NOT post anything over a season that would even begin to make him look like best player in NBA besides PPG.
And I said further down I like Lebron in Magic's mindset more then Mike's......Never said Lebron was bad because of this actually I praise Lebron of his mindset at his age.

[BigKaboom2]

Errr...wrong...big time.

Errr...arrogant...big time.

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Hasn't this forum grown pretty stupid over the past week?

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BigKaboom2,
Yeah pretty much your right.

grusom,
When we get people saying Nash, Kidd, VC are all overated in a few days, yes.

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BigKaboom2,
Yeah pretty much your right.

grusom,
When we get people saying Nash, Kidd, VC are all overated in a few days, yes.

Sure, those statements were stupid, but I was actually reffering to your "arguments" why Kobe was overrated as well.

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BigKaboom2,
Yeah pretty much your right.

grusom,
When we get people saying Nash, Kidd, VC are all overated in a few days, yes.

Sure, those statements were stupid, but I was actually reffering to your "arguments" why Kobe was overrated as well.

Please tell me any statistical category Kobe leads the NBA in besides Points....

People act like hes the best in the NBA, best scorer? Yes. But everything else...well quite honestly, hes average, or slightly above.

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Both Carter & McGrady ended up being rather fragile and were slowed down by injury...they were pretty dominant in their youth.

Can you blame someone for his body not holding up? Hmmm.

After some thought, for me it it's probably Stephon Marbury. Yeah there were a lot of busts in the NBA, but Marbury actually made multiple All-Star games, makes KG/Duncan money, has NEVER taken any team to any success (so can't blame the supporting cast), had a variety of coaches, and has been paired with some of the best big men in the game (KG, Amare). In short, he's been given every opportunity to shine on a silver platter but still spends most of his days being an extra on rap videos instead of working with his team.

When Telfair first got all his hype, i thought "being related to Marbury is considered a positive?"

[Sauru]

there are alot of overrated players in the nba and sometimes i think a player gets overpaid but then they step up, like boozer did this year. this season i think rashard will get more money than he is worth but i could be wrong again.


right now i think the most overrated player in the nba is iverson. i thought at one time he was good but even at his best i feel he was overrated.

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Both Carter & McGrady ended up being rather fragile and were slowed down by injury...they were pretty dominant in their youth.

Can you blame someone for his body not holding up? Hmmm.

It depends, I'm not knowledgable really of either of their injuries....but some players injurys are because of lack of practicing conditioning etc etc....

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there are alot of overrated players in the nba and sometimes i think a player gets overpaid but then they step up, like boozer did this year. this season i think rashard will get more money than he is worth but i could be wrong again.


right now i think the most overrated player in the nba is iverson. i thought at one time he was good but even at his best i feel he was overrated.

If Iverson is overated, which has one of the best defensive games in the NBA....you must REALLY think Kobe is overated.

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If Iverson is overated, which has one of the best defensive games in the NBA....you must REALLY think Kobe is overated.

Iverson defensive game? You meant offensive?

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You cant help but give the biggest overrated player to the league MVP Dirk Nowitzki. The dude blows. Its like all he does is shoot jumpshots, he doesnt make his team mates better, and he lacks leadership. When playoffs come he gives up the ball to terry, harris, and howard. Unless he is called out, then he performs in one game and then goes back to hide in the shade while everyone else does the work for the mavs. In the finals against the heat Terry made one bad move and dirk yells at him in his face. Then Dirk went to take over...the only thing is that he missed alot of shots in that attempt to take over. This years playoffs he shows up for one game in a win. The other win he wasnt even the leading scorer. MVP? i dont think so, not when your team mates are doing most of the work.

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BigKaboom2,
Yeah pretty much your right.

grusom,
When we get people saying Nash, Kidd, VC are all overated in a few days, yes.

Sure, those statements were stupid, but I was actually reffering to your "arguments" why Kobe was overrated as well.

Please tell me any statistical category Kobe leads the NBA in besides Points....

People act like hes the best in the NBA, best scorer? Yes. But everything else...well quite honestly, hes average, or slightly above.

My resent arguments with 3PK in the Detroit thread reminded me of an old saying, that "winning an argument on the internet, is like winning in the Special Olympics - you are still a loser."

I am not going to compete in the special olympics in this thread.

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weejontee,
Scoring 81 poitns doesnt show anything more then being a ball hog. And I meant......McGrady is lazy on Defense....And Yes...Vince Carter could average 35 PPG easily. All Vince Carter needs is the ball 7 more times max and hed have higher then 35 PPG, gurantee you.
volsey,
Check the stats man, Kobe IS overated. He does NOT post anything over a season that would even begin to make him look like best player in NBA besides PPG.
And I said further down I like Lebron in Magic's mindset more then Mike's......Never said Lebron was bad because of this actually I praise Lebron of his mindset at his age.

I agree LeBron's mindset is more like Magic's than Jordan's cause he has that pass-first mentality. But thats about the only thing I'm agreeing on with you.

Vince Carter would not average 35 a game because he isn't motivated enough to do it. With Jason Kidd on his team surely he should be averaging more than just 25 a game. He's so relaxed some nights he plays its like he doesn't even wanna be there. Also if Vince Carter is so much better than Kobe how come he's only got 2 All-NBA team selections whereas Kobe has made 9 plus 7 All-Defensive.

And I've checked the stats. Kobe averaged 35.4PPG last season. If he was taking all the shots and only averaging 35 a game surely he'd have somethin like a .300 FG% but he has a .450 FG% which sounds pretty reasonable to me.

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weejontee,

VC dont need to score 35 PPG....

Top 5 Nets Scorers...PPG average over the season...
VC 25.4
Krstc 16.4
Jefferson 16.3
Kidd 13.0
Moore 9.8

Top 5 Lakers Scorers....
Kobe 31.6
Odom 15.9
Walton 11.4
Smush 11.1
Evans 8.4

CLEARLY its more a team effort in Jersey then in LA, but if Jersey wanted to use VC like Kobe, they could easily get him past 31.6 PPG....and how is VC a bad shooter? His and Kobe's 3pt FG % is exactly the same.

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You cant help but give the biggest overrated player to the league MVP Dirk Nowitzki. The dude blows. Its like all he does is shoot jumpshots, he doesnt make his team mates better, and he lacks leadership. When playoffs come he gives up the ball to terry, harris, and howard. Unless he is called out, then he performs in one game and then goes back to hide in the shade while everyone else does the work for the mavs. In the finals against the heat Terry made one bad move and dirk yells at him in his face. Then Dirk went to take over...the only thing is that he missed alot of shots in that attempt to take over. This years playoffs he shows up for one game in a win. The other win he wasnt even the leading scorer. MVP? i dont think so, not when your team mates are doing most of the work.

Missed this and good point couldnt agree more.

[Drex]

[jonthefon]

You cant help but give the biggest overrated player to the league MVP Dirk Nowitzki. The dude blows. Its like all he does is shoot jumpshots, he doesnt make his team mates better, and he lacks leadership. When playoffs come he gives up the ball to terry, harris, and howard. Unless he is called out, then he performs in one game and then goes back to hide in the shade while everyone else does the work for the mavs. In the finals against the heat Terry made one bad move and dirk yells at him in his face. Then Dirk went to take over...the only thing is that he missed alot of shots in that attempt to take over. This years playoffs he shows up for one game in a win. The other win he wasnt even the leading scorer. MVP? i dont think so, not when your team mates are doing most of the work.

Missed this and good point couldnt agree more.

Heh, not to forget some of the game-winners he'd made...

Yeah, Dirk is DAMN inconsistent and frustrating at times in the clutch, but you can't say he's overrated.

He'll grab rebounds, which is expected of a seven-footer. He deferred to Howard more this season, Golden State played a sort of double-team on him in the first round, meaning he had to, at least at times, give the ball to his team-mates. Oh, and I sorta forgot he pushed the Mavs to the Finals in 05-06? The idiotic Ginobili foul? Tim Thomas and his mock kiss? Those wouldn't have happened if he "gave up the ball to his team-mates".

What he needs to do is psychologically find how to constantly be "there" during crunch-time. And work on the passing.

EDIT: Then again, I am a Dallas fanboy, so yeah

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Yea he is. He always chokes in the playoffs and can't even finish off Golden State but he is the best in Dallas. Jason Terry chokes more than Dirk and Josh Howard is not has good as Dirk Nowitzki.