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Postby john26 on Thu May 05, 2011 5:17 pm

On jumpball at the start of the game can you stand anywhere or do the teams have to be separated (like in 2k11)
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Postby benji on Thu May 05, 2011 5:21 pm

As far as I know, there are positions to stand for the players on all jumpballs. You can see the referees correcting players from time to time, especially on ones done at the free throw line.

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g. The eight non-jumpers will remain outside the restraining circle until the ball has been tapped. Teammates may not occupy adjacent positions around the restraining circle if an opponent desires one of the positions. No player may position himself immediately behind an opponent on the restraining circle. Penalty for c., d., e., f., g.: Ball awarded out-of-bounds to the opponent.
h. Player position on the restraining circle is determined by the direction of a player's basket. The player whose basket is nearest shall have first choice of position, with position being alternated thereafter.
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Re: The "Have Your Random NBA Question Answered" Thread

Postby NovU on Wed Aug 31, 2011 2:52 am

Was there ever a serious Lebron/Jordan VS Kobe discussion in our forums? It's for my friend who got into a heated discussion in another forums(apparently "6 rings"/"Watch the game" arguments). I found the one with benji and koberulz discussion. Were there any other great posts or thread on it?
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Re: The "Have Your Random NBA Question Answered" Thread

Postby Andrew on Wed Aug 31, 2011 10:11 am

Possibly one or two. I think those kind of threads do eventually descend into fanboy/hater arguments after a while, no matter where they are. Sports are Serious Business, after all.
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Re: The "Have Your Random NBA Question Answered" Thread

Postby shadowgrin on Thu Sep 01, 2011 3:13 am

NovU wrote:Was there ever a serious Lebron/Jordan VS Kobe discussion in our forums?

The NLSC "regulars" probably got tired of the numerous player vs player comparison threads that have been discussed in the last decade or so, so you don't see it as much today as it were in the days of Jordan vs Kobe, Shaq vs Wilt, Kobe vs T-Mac (remember him? lol) in the forums.

You can start a new one if you like to. Just set a condition that certain "old regulars" are not allowed to participate in the thread, like benji so he won't make you all look like fools, or Andrew, or Jae, or anyone that has posted in the black and blue forums, etc. Up to you really.

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Re: The "Have Your Random NBA Question Answered" Thread

Postby NovU on Thu Sep 01, 2011 3:33 am

shadowgrin wrote:Jordan vs Kobe, Shaq vs Wilt, Kobe vs T-Mac (remember him? lol) in the forums.

That's actually what I was looking for. Jordan vs Kobe. But I don't remember there being a serious one like last benji's Lebron talk.
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Re: The "Have Your Random NBA Question Answered" Thread

Postby buzzy on Fri Sep 16, 2011 6:46 pm

Is their anything on the web where I can buy full NBA games?
Has the NBA itself provided this service before?
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Re: The "Have Your Random NBA Question Answered" Thread

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Re: The "Have Your Random NBA Question Answered" Thread

Postby koberulz on Fri Nov 18, 2011 11:38 am

Anyone know the formula for individual TOV%? B-R appears to only list the team formula.
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Re: The "Have Your Random NBA Question Answered" Thread

Postby benji on Fri Nov 18, 2011 12:36 pm

No, it doesn't.
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Re: The "Have Your Random NBA Question Answered" Thread

Postby koberulz on Fri Nov 18, 2011 12:50 pm

All I can find is the one in the glossary, which is way too short to be an individual formula. Am I just looking in the wrong spot?
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Re: The "Have Your Random NBA Question Answered" Thread

Postby benji on Fri Nov 18, 2011 12:54 pm

The one in the glossary is correct. Why would you assume it's "way too short" when there's even shorter individual formulas?
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Re: The "Have Your Random NBA Question Answered" Thread

Postby koberulz on Fri Nov 18, 2011 1:15 pm

Well, having looked at the formula for, say, Possessions, which is the team formula, ridiculously long, and says the individual formula is even longer...and wouldn't you need to know the number of possessions in order to determine which percentage of them are turned over? Why are assists not taken into account? The formula as listed seems like it would give ridiculously high numbers for people who don't shoot much.

What's a reasonable TOV% for a player to have? Teams seemed to be around 12-15% from what I could find, but running it on a few players gets numbers like 16 or 22%.
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Re: The "Have Your Random NBA Question Answered" Thread

Postby benji on Fri Nov 18, 2011 1:31 pm

You do, (FGA + 0.44*FTA + TOV) is the individual possession formula.

Why would you take assists into account, they aren't the ending point of a possession, it'd also reduce the turnover rate for anyone who assists a lot and what relation does that have to turnovers?

If you don't shoot much and turn it over a lot why shouldn't your turnover rate be high? All you're doing with your possessions is turning it over.

A "reasonable" turnover rate depends on your usage rate and your teammates. Most star non-point guards are 12% or less. Most star point guards are 15% or less.
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Re: The "Have Your Random NBA Question Answered" Thread

Postby koberulz on Fri Nov 18, 2011 1:51 pm

benji wrote:Why would you take assists into account, they aren't the ending point of a possession

An assist necessitates a score, which is the end of a possession. Surely?

it'd also reduce the turnover rate for anyone who assists a lot and what relation does that have to turnovers?

If you get an assist, why wouldn't that count as a possession in which you didn't turn the ball over? An assist is still producing points, which is a positive.

A "reasonable" turnover rate depends on your usage rate and your teammates. Most star non-point guards are 12% or less. Most star point guards are 15% or less.

And yet Ricky Grace, the greatest point guard in NBL history according to most, is at 22%. 'Conventional wisdom' can be wrong, sure, but can it be that wrong? Or am I missing something?
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Re: The "Have Your Random NBA Question Answered" Thread

Postby benji on Fri Nov 18, 2011 1:55 pm

The shot the other player takes ends the possession.

Oh, thought we were talking about professional leagues. Not amateur ones. I can't tell you shit about the "reasonable" numbers for every rec league in the world.
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Re: The "Have Your Random NBA Question Answered" Thread

Postby koberulz on Fri Nov 18, 2011 1:58 pm

benji wrote:The shot the other player takes ends the possession.

And? You can still determine quite easily that the player in question hasn't turned the ball over in that possession.

Oh, thought we were talking about professional leagues. Not amateur ones. I can't tell you shit about the "reasonable" numbers for every rec league in the world.

...what.
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Re: The "Have Your Random NBA Question Answered" Thread

Postby benji on Fri Nov 18, 2011 2:02 pm

koberulz wrote:And? You can still determine quite easily that the player in question hasn't turned the ball over in that possession.

He didn't use the possession, the player shooting did.
...what.

I think it's pretty clear. Different leagues have different standards. It doesn't take a rocket surgeon to realize Chris Paul would vaporize the hell out of the NBL but the league average for point guards could still be 30% TOV%.

Making a massive leap and assuming Mr. Grace would keep his numbers in the NBA his most similar point guards in possession usage are:
http://www.basketball-reference.com/pla ... kro01.html
http://www.basketball-reference.com/pla ... iro02.html
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Re: The "Have Your Random NBA Question Answered" Thread

Postby koberulz on Fri Nov 18, 2011 2:10 pm

benji wrote:He didn't use the possession, the player shooting did.

So it's less a measure of turnover percentage than a measure of turnover-to-shot ratio? I mean, as pointed out on another forum:
Point guard 1 has the following game:
0/0 FG, 0/0 FT, 15 ast, 5 stl, 2 to

Point guard 2 has the following game:
0/16 FG, 0/4 FT, 0 ast, 0 stl, 2 to

Point guard 1's Turnover Percentage = 100%
Point guard 2's Turnover Percentage = 10%


Different leagues have different standards. It doesn't take a rocket surgeon to realize Chris Paul would vaporize the hell out of the NBL but the league average for point guards could still be 30% TOV%.

And, of course, the NBL doesn't have advanced stats available, so you can't easily check the average. Still, given that most numbers are coming out at 18-25%...

On the other hand, Grace's NBA TOV% is superb...
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Re: The "Have Your Random NBA Question Answered" Thread

Postby benji on Fri Nov 18, 2011 2:34 pm

The first player used only two possessions, both of which he turned it over on. The second player used 20ish, two of which he turned it over on. Not rocket surgery and also a sample size of one game, aka meaningless.

Not sure what you're expecting out of box score stats.

This is from years ago for David, a lot of it is useless/outdated but some of it may help you: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/820953/nbl.xlsx
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Re: The "Have Your Random NBA Question Answered" Thread

Postby koberulz on Fri Nov 18, 2011 2:56 pm

benji wrote:Not sure what you're expecting out of box score stats.

I really don't see why the metric doesn't involve assists. Obviously the box score can't give you turnovers per touch, but including assists would get a lot closer to that, which at least as far as I can see would be a better evaluation metric.
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Re: The "Have Your Random NBA Question Answered" Thread

Postby benji on Fri Nov 18, 2011 3:05 pm

Because assists don't end a possession. What do you gain from including assists? It tells you nothing about how the player ended a possession. It will just lower the turnover rate as you get more assists which is useless information.

In your first player example his turnover rate would be 11%. Which means he somehow had .24 turnovers in the game since he still only used two possessions.
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Re: The "Have Your Random NBA Question Answered" Thread

Postby koberulz on Fri Nov 18, 2011 3:14 pm

What exactly does one achieve by determining a player's TOV%? It's clearly not how likely that player is to turn the ball over, which is what it initially sounds like and I could see the use for.
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Re: The "Have Your Random NBA Question Answered" Thread

Postby benji on Fri Nov 18, 2011 3:20 pm

How is it not? LeBron uses 31.5% of Miami's possessions and turns it over on 13.8% of those, so when he's on the court there's a 4.3% chance he'll end Miami's possessions with a turnover.
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Re: The "Have Your Random NBA Question Answered" Thread

Postby Abctest123 on Fri Nov 18, 2011 4:36 pm

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Since this thread is bumped up, I was reading through the older posts and I came across this. Not thread worthy obviously, but I never knew until today that Troy "Escalade" Jackson was related to Mark Jackson.
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Re: The "Have Your Random NBA Question Answered" Thread

Postby koberulz on Fri Nov 18, 2011 4:48 pm

benji wrote:How is it not? LeBron uses 31.5% of Miami's possessions and turns it over on 13.8% of those, so when he's on the court there's a 4.3% chance he'll end Miami's possessions with a turnover.

There's that.

Someone really needs to come up with an advanced stat calculator. Working these things out manually is a massive pain.
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Re: The "Have Your Random NBA Question Answered" Thread

Postby benji on Fri Nov 18, 2011 4:53 pm

It's called Excel or LibreOffice Calc or Gnumeric.
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Re: The "Have Your Random NBA Question Answered" Thread

Postby koberulz on Fri Nov 18, 2011 5:04 pm

Haven't the first clue how to use Excel, and haven't even heard of the other two. Guess it's time to learn.
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Re: The "Have Your Random NBA Question Answered" Thread

Postby benji on Fri Nov 18, 2011 5:14 pm

It's easy enough to use: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc ... E&hl=en_US

Or see that NBL file I linked above, it should have the formulas in the cells.
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Re: The "Have Your Random NBA Question Answered" Thread

Postby JaoSming on Sat Apr 21, 2012 12:07 pm

When was the last time all teams going into the playoffs had a winning record?
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Re: The "Have Your Random NBA Question Answered" Thread

Postby benji on Sat Apr 21, 2012 1:53 pm

2010.

If you don't accept a 41-41 team, then 2005.
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Re: The "Have Your Random NBA Question Answered" Thread

Postby cavs4872 on Fri Apr 27, 2012 4:59 am

Anyone know if this Bobcats-Knicks game on TNT was scheduled since the beginning of the season or if they changed to have it because of the Bobcats' current situation? I'm pretty sure they don't change what games they're scheduled to broadcast.
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Re: The "Have Your Random NBA Question Answered" Thread

Postby benji on Fri Apr 27, 2012 9:39 am

They have in the past sometimes changed which games are broadcast but it is rare.

However, this Bobcats-Knicks game was scheduled from the start: http://www.awfulannouncing.com/2011-art ... edule.html
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Postby Stress Fracture on Fri Apr 27, 2012 4:37 pm

What? A nationally-televised game for the Bobcats at home? :shock:
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Postby Andrew on Fri Apr 27, 2012 6:39 pm

They didn't make much of the opportunity.
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Re: The "Have Your Random NBA Question Answered" Thread

Postby AreaOfEffect on Fri Apr 27, 2012 11:38 pm

Why 82 games?
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Re: The "Have Your Random NBA Question Answered" Thread

Postby Andrew on Sun Apr 29, 2012 10:38 am

How did the NBA and other sports leagues decide how many games to play in a season?

How did the league arrive at the number 82?

It allows teams to play around three times per week for half the year. Until the NBA was formed in 1946, professional basketball leagues played a few dozen games in each season—similar to what happens in the NCAA—and held most of these contests on weekends. With the creation of the new league, players were asked to quit their day jobs and participate in a more rigorous schedule. At first there were 11 teams playing 60 games each, but the nascent business had to downsize for its next season, to seven teams playing 48 games each. Having more games would, in the end, lead to more ticket sales and higher profits (and owners were already filling players’ off-days with exhibition games), so the season gradually lengthened. As new franchises came up across the country, the number of regular season matchups grew until it reached the modern total of 82 games for the 1967-68 season.

Why did the owners stop at 82? Several factors were taken into account. First, the league needed to balance income from ticket sales (and television deals) with the cost of player salaries and other expenses involved with running a franchise. Another issue is the fact that playing an overlong schedule can damage the athletes' bodies. With those concerns in mind, the owners made the somewhat arbitrary decision that 80 games played over nearly six months would be both profitable and feasible. Players started working this schedule in the early 1960s, and it changed only very slightly as the league expanded. By the 1967-68 season, the NBA had grown to include 12 teams, split into two conferences. A given franchise would play each of its five conference rivals eight times, and then each of the remaining teams seven times. This 82-game total (five times eight, plus six times seven) persisted even as the league grew to its present size, with 30 teams.
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Re: The "Have Your Random NBA Question Answered" Thread

Postby Radioman on Thu Jul 19, 2012 10:35 pm

With all those All Star - All NBA - Hall of Fame players clustering on 3-4 teams i was wondering which team has the most All Star Appearances on his current roster?

i.e.

Miami Heat = LeBron James (8) + Wade (8) + Bosh (7)....

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Re: The "Have Your Random NBA Question Answered" Thread

Postby _Steve_ on Fri Jul 20, 2012 12:40 am

Radioman wrote:With all those All Star - All NBA - Hall of Fame players clustering on 3-4 teams i was wondering which team has the most All Star Appearances on his current roster?

i.e.

Miami Heat = LeBron James (8) + Wade (8) + Bosh (7)....

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Edit:

Appearances:
Lakers (28) = Kobe (13 - Kobe missed in 2010) + Nash (7 - Nash missed in 2007) + Gasol (4) + Jamison (2) + Bynum (1) + MWP (1)

Nominations:
Lakers (30) = Kobe (14) + Nash (8) + Gasol (4) + Jamison (2) + Bynum (1) + MWP (1)

A bit more challenging:

Which team in NBA history had the most All Star appearances on it's roster in a season (e.g. '68-'69 Celtics) ?
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Re: The "Have Your Random NBA Question Answered" Thread

Postby NovU on Thu Aug 02, 2012 6:07 am

Will there be any team that's going to be able to sign 3 big stars in 2013 offseason and pull 2012 Miami Heat?

Seems like FAs in 13 will consist of some great names.
1) D Howard
2) C Paul
3) A Bynum
4) J Smith

As been said before, it'd be big if Howard can team up with Paul, the best center and the best pg in this generation.
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Re: The "Have Your Random NBA Question Answered" Thread

Postby Andrew on Thu Aug 02, 2012 9:56 am

Dallas, possibly.
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Re: The "Have Your Random NBA Question Answered" Thread

Postby rise on Fri Aug 03, 2012 4:40 am

Please let it be Howard, Paul, and Dirk in Dallas. That would be awesome.
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Postby Andrew on Fri Aug 03, 2012 11:33 am

At this point I think they'll miss out on Paul, but end up with Howard.
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Re: The "Have Your Random NBA Question Answered" Thread

Postby benji on Fri Aug 03, 2012 11:44 am

The Pistons will have $35-40 million in cap space.

Drummond-Monroe-Smith-Stuckey-Paul. With Dwight off the bench.
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Postby deihatein on Fri Aug 03, 2012 9:50 pm

Lol you're serious with putting Dwight on the bench? :lol:
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Re: The "Have Your Random NBA Question Answered" Thread

Postby benji on Fri Aug 03, 2012 10:24 pm

Can't have Dwight retarding the growth of Hall of Fame Drummond. He can come in and spell the two All-Stars if his back holds up.
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Re: The "Have Your Random NBA Question Answered" Thread

Postby NovU on Sat Aug 04, 2012 4:58 am

Are the Pistons the team with the most salary room in 2013? Should be fun to watch whom they will be able to sign.
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Re: The "Have Your Random NBA Question Answered" Thread

Postby deihatein on Sat Aug 04, 2012 5:14 am

NovU wrote:Are the Pistons the team with the most salary room in 2013? Should be fun to watch whom they will be able to sign.


Does the Mavs count?. Only 3 players signed up till next season (Dirk, Marion and one rookie). Carter is partially guaranteed, Dominique Jones has team option and OJ Mayo has a player option.
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Re: The "Have Your Random NBA Question Answered" Thread

Postby NovU on Sat Aug 04, 2012 1:15 pm

I am sure they count. If Dirk can pull 2010 Dwade and convince Dwight/Paul to join his Mavs, it'll be GG in West as well imo. But I think Dirk will be the third wheel sorta like Ray Allen and Bosh. LoL
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Re: The "Have Your Random NBA Question Answered" Thread

Postby Moz The Boz on Sat Aug 04, 2012 8:54 pm

Is there a deadline for the off-season free agency/trades? Does it end at the start of training camp?
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