SLAM Classic : 75 Top Player Of All Time

by **GloveGuy** on Sun Mar 09, 2003 1:32 pm

1) Michael Jordan
2) Wilt Champerlain
3) Oscar Robertson
4) Bill Russel
5) Earvin "Magic" Johnson
6) Larry Bird
7) Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
8) Jerry West
9) Shaquille O'Neal
10) Julius Erving
11) Elgin Baylor
12) Hakeem Olajuwon
13) Karl Malone
14) Bob Pettit
15) John Havlicek
16) Moses Malone
17) Isiah Thomas
18) John Stockton
19) Charles Barkley
20) Walt Frazier
21) Rick Barry
22) Bob Cousy
23) Elvin Hayes
24) Dave Cowens
25) George Gervin
26) Kevin McHale
27) Dominique Wilkins
28) Patrick Ewing
29) Willis Reed
30) Wes Unseld
31) Geroge Mikan
32) Earl Monroe
33) Nate Thurmond
34) Dolph Schayes
35) Walt Bellamy
36) David Robinson
37) Billy Cunnigham
38) Paul Arizin
39) Dave Debusschere
40) Alex English
41) Scottie Pippen
42) Nate Archibald
43) Adrian Dantley
44) Clyde Drexler
45) Bernard King
46) Bob Mcadoo
47) Gary Payton(Yes he got top 50!)
48) Artis Gilmore
49) Jerry Lucas
50) Pete Marivich
51) Hal Greer
52) Reggie Miller
53) Allen Iverson
54) Dan Issel
55) Tim Duncan
56) Robert Parish
57) James Worthy
58) Same Jones
59) Kobe Bryant
60) Lenny Wilkens
61) Jason Kidd
62) Bob Lanier
63) Dennis Johnson
64) Chris Webber
65) Chris Mullin
66) Mark Acguire
67) Connie Hawkins
68) Spence Haywood
69) Dennis Rodman
70) Kevin Garnett
71) Dave Bing
72) Alonzo Mourning
73) Bill Walton
74) Grant Hill
75) Tracy McGrady

YouTube · by **Andrew** on Sun Mar 09, 2003 1:37 pm

Can't say that I agree with Pip ranking lower than Sir Charles, Nique and the Admiral.

by **Brave Sir Rubin** on Sun Mar 09, 2003 2:14 pm

Rodman's up there...lol!

by **scubilete** on Sun Mar 09, 2003 2:26 pm

Those ranked over Pippen are really tough to get them below him Andrew. However, once I saw he ranked MJ in the first place, I thought he was going in order since he is obviously a MJ fan, but after I saw him placing G. Payton over Pistol Pete, Iverson over few proven hall of famers, I said no. I bet he's just acting as a fan not as a fear judge. At last Rodman gets a recognition, too bad is not official, lol.

There are some players who are not officially hall of famers who I would put there bfore thinking of a youngster. What have Grant Hill or Zo Mourning done? If I put any of those I would put Larry Johnson as well, since there's no place I would take them all away. Grant was a spectacular player but a deception while all the eyes focused on him when MJ retired for the first time.

KJ, Joe Dumars, Mark Price, Fat Lever, at least any of those could easily take the spots used for Hill & Zo, or any of those youngster who have had just 2 or 3 good seasons.

by **emadhn15** on Sun Mar 09, 2003 2:27 pm

I think that Magic should be in the place of Oscar Robertson and Dennis Rodman shouldnt be on that list at all! :shock:

by **Drex** on Sun Mar 09, 2003 3:29 pm

The list is good, but i don't think that T-Mac, Kobe, Duncan, etc, should be on that list, yet.

by **Nick** on Sun Mar 09, 2003 9:30 pm

I think the list is pretty accuarate.
Of course a league MVP, Duncan, is going to be there :roll:

...if anything...he should be higher...
Hill should be there...
But imo, switch Wilt with MJ, Move KG up to 56 and move everybody after that up one.

by **Boyk** on Sun Mar 09, 2003 11:40 pm

i think kobe,t-mac and Kg should be a little higher

i also dont agree with iverson being that high!
hes won all these individual awards, yet no championships.

other than that, its kol

by **scubilete** on Sun Mar 09, 2003 11:51 pm

Nick wrote:But imo, switch Wilt with MJ, Move KG up to 56 and move everybody after that up one.

Well, of course that's his list, MJ is his fav so he wouln't do that for anything in the world, shouldn't we come with our lists? I wouldn't do it but would like to see someone else list so I can compare.

Nick wrote:Hill should be there...

Now that Hill has done so much to be one of the greatest of the history, you can put him there, he has done a lot of nothing. Stackhouse or Shawn Kemp would fill up that place much more than Hill. In fact, I would put Shawn Kemp before thinking of Payton, lol. The guy even forgot Reggie Lewis, a Boston Celtics player who was much better than Hill has been. Like Dr3X said, those youngsters are not part of history yet cause you don't know what they are going to do the following season.

When you decide to do that, you must have in mind what they have done, no who you like most to watch.

by **MC Hao** on Mon Mar 10, 2003 2:16 am

MJ is his fav

You know that for a fact or are you guessing? :roll:

Stackhouse or Shawn Kemp would fill up that place much more than Hill.

I disagree with that, I don't think Stack or Kemp had done any more than Hill.

by **Scary Hedo** on Mon Mar 10, 2003 2:23 am

disagree with the 8 9 10 11 places

8. elgin baylor
9. julius erving
10. jerry west
11. shaq

by . on Mon Mar 10, 2003 2:54 am

I really disagree Patrick Ewing over David Robinson, I mean look what the Admiral did in his career: Rookie Of the Year, rebound tiitle, scoring title, MVP, Defensive player of the year, 10 times All-Star, 1 championship, Blocking title, 4 times All-NBA 1st team and defensive 1st team......enough said

by **scubilete** on Mon Mar 10, 2003 3:49 am

MC Hao wrote:You know that for a fact or are you guessing?

I know that for a fact.

MC Hao wrote:I disagree with that, I don't think Stack or Kemp had done any more than Hill.

When you decide to do that, you must have in mind what they have done, no who you like most to watch.

What is it that Hill has done?

Hill Career 9 seasons - Rebs: 3,773 - Asst: 2,931 - Stls: 735 - Blk: 300 - Pts: 10,104 - Best season Avg: 25.8

Stackhouse Career 8 seasons - Rebs: 2,123 - Asst: 2,302 - Stls: 615 - Blk: 371 -
Pts: 12,039 - Best season Avg: 29.8

Kemp numbers are superior cause he has played more seasons but I believe Stackhouse numbers are enough for you where in relation if stackhouse had played the same seasons than Hill, he would lead in all the stats other than rebs & assts.

by **Divan Santana** on Mon Mar 10, 2003 4:23 am

Ypu cant simply look at Career Stats to see who is superior. There is so many reasons why that often can't work.

Stackhouse is pretty good but I will still think Grant Hill is easily better.

Either way I think none of them should be up there in the list as they haven't achieved much though I think if it wasn't for Hill's injury problems he would definately be up there.

As for Kemp over Payton, lol. :lol:

by **scubilete** on Mon Mar 10, 2003 4:34 am

That is the point, Hill potential was good but the injuries are not going to let him be what he was supposed to be, what's his average this season? 14 ppg. He injured again, do you think he's going to come better? no. He's finished, and he did nothing, I'm not saying Hill is not better, few years ago I would have taken him over Stack, but how about now?, I bet Orlando is looking forward to hearing of someone who wants him to send him overthere. And Stack is averaging almost 20 with a MJ in his team which means a lot, if he stays with the Wiz and MJ retires, he will possibly average over 25 once again.

If that would have been the real thing and was based on what they have done, I bet those 2 (Zo & Hill) wouldn't be there. But like I said, those are his 75 so need to discuss it, Since I'm not arguing the order he put them at least a place for Joe Dumars should be available there.

by **GloveGuy** on Mon Mar 10, 2003 5:48 am

Today, in an interview during halftime of the Wizards-Knicks, Shaq called Iverson one of the TOP FIVE best players in NBA History. The reason why he's over Kobe : He was great from the moment he came into the league. You could tell he'd be sensational from his rookie season. While with Kobe, it took him a few years to become one of the NBA's elite. Not until this year am I actually considering him an NBA candidate.

I thought GP should've been a bit higher, but I'm glad that he and Shaq are the only all-stars in the top 50. But GP isn't too far from John Stockton, in my opinion.

I would've put Hakeem over Shaq but that's debatable.

T-Mac shouldn't have been on the list since he's yet to hit his prime. But he will be on the list, and better than 75 someday.

I think Shawn Kemp should've been on it. He was very very good in his prime.

I'm surprised that Webber was before KG.

by **EGarrett** on Mon Mar 10, 2003 5:58 am

First of all...before you guys argue you might want to check...the list was compiled from SLAM writers and basketball experts (Sonny Hill, Peter Vescey, Dick Vitale and Kenny Smith)...it's anything but one guy.

That being said...I'm surprised that Oscar Robertson ranked above Bill Russell, Magic, Bird and others. Oscar has one ring, which he got playing second fiddle to Kareem...and his claim to fame was averaging the triple-double over the season. Of course that's impressive...but not as impressive as the careers of the other guys in the top 5 or 6.

They also claimed Wilt wasn't surrounded by Hall of Famers but Russell was...too bad his Sixers team during that period had--from what I recall--three future members of the All-Time Top 50...

And Walt Bellamy over David Robinson? I don't know what was going on there...

by **scubilete** on Mon Mar 10, 2003 6:06 am

Oh ok. Sorry Gloveguy, I should have supposed Peter Vecsey was behind all this. With Shaquille, yes I would put Olajuwon over him, since Olajuwon didn't need 350 pounds to dominate in the league. And even when they faced, Olajuwon showed us he didn't need those pounds either to outplay Shaq.

YouTube · by **mp3** on Mon Mar 10, 2003 6:15 am

iam not going to start questioning the order of which the players are in, but joe Dumars should be there

by **Gaucho** on Mon Mar 10, 2003 6:50 am

Where's Timmy :?:

by . on Mon Mar 10, 2003 7:21 am

Tim Hardaway?

by **MC Hao** on Mon Mar 10, 2003 9:10 am

I wrote:You know that for a fact or are you guessing?

scubilete wrote:I know that for a fact.

Apparently not.

scubilete wrote:Hill potential was good but the injuries are not going to let him be what he was supposed to be

scubilete wrote:The guy even forgot Reggie Lewis, a Boston Celtics player who was much better than Hill has been.

Same applies to Reggie Lewis, he had the potential to be so good but his death prevented him from doing it. He and Hill basically face the same situation, except Hill's is not life-threatening, Why do you think Lewis is better than Hill? Stats-wise, Lewis is not better than Hill. If you are talking about could have been, then I can't argue that, anything could happen.

by **scubilete** on Mon Mar 10, 2003 9:42 am

MC Hao wrote:Apparently not.

Of course I do, if you want you can ask him MC Hao.

MC Hao wrote:Same applies to Reggie Lewis

Well, you don't follow potential if they don't show any, Reggie Lewis showed his, if Hill did, I have to say he had just a little. Laettner was considered better than Hill when coming from College, Larry Johnson, none of them did what everyone expected, Hill didn't do what everyone expected, if he did what you expected, then you didn't expect anything from his "Potential". Just the fact that he came to the league with that Air of being one of the best Duke ever puts him nowhere. Same applies for this Kid Dunleavy if he doesn't show anything soon.

Obviously I showed you why Stackhouse has shown he's better, so now you decided to forget about Stackhouse and come with Reggie Lewis. You complained first for Stackhouse but, Well. I'll tell you this, Reggie Lewis averaged in Playoffs was much better than any average Hill has got in any season or Playoffs, meaning that Lewis was a player who would step up when he was needed. However you want to have in mind the fact of his death and compare that with Hill injuries, well the fact that he died doesn't make you believe he was a bad player or worse than Hill, does it? Lewis showed his potential, you are still waiting for Hill to explode offensively just like Stackhouse did few seasons ago. And the same Hill would tell you he will never ever play the way he was supposed to when all eyes focused on him waiting for him to lead the NBA after Jordan 1st retirement.

However, the thing was the top 75 players in the History, doesn't state if it's what they have done so maybe they are the top 75 but not the best 75, just top in some point let's say Rebs or scoring.

Next, you will complain about Joe Dumars, are you going to say that Joe Dumars is not supposed to be on that list over Hill?, if you are a Hill fan, you just have to say MC Hao, I will understand that but obviously the reality is other.

Anyway, when Dumars heard Hill didn't want to be a Pistons anymore, he took him & drove him to the Airport after the trade so Hill could catch up the next flight, now you see the career Hill has had with the Magic.

by **EGarrett** on Mon Mar 10, 2003 1:19 pm

Well, you don't follow potential if they don't show any, Reggie Lewis showed his, if Hill did, I have to say he had just a little. Laettner was considered better than Hill when coming from College, Larry Johnson, none of them did what everyone expected, Hill didn't do what everyone expected

One of the most ridiculous paragraphs I've ever read. Grant Hill showed "only a little" potential? Laettner was considered better than him?

Be honest...did you watch the NBA at all during the mid and late 90's?

http://www.nba.com/playerfile/grant_hill/

Explain how a kid who comes into the NBA and averages 20, 6 and 5 his first year...getting voted an All-Star starter as a rookie displays no potential?

Explain how Stackhouse was better than a guy who won first-team All-NBA and won the IBM Award for best statistical output in a year? Explain how Stack is good enough to make first team all league and win the IBM award?

He led the league in triple-doubles for 3 or 4 years straigt...averaged about 20, 9 and 7 for 4 years. I don't even like Grant Hill but you have to acknowledge reality. You seem about as ignorant of things that happened 4 years ago as most people are of things that happend 20 years ago...please rent a video or something...it's just getting ridiculous...

by **GloveGuy** on Mon Mar 10, 2003 2:10 pm

Laettner was considered better than him?

Of course. Who did Laettner play with during the summer before his rookie season? He played witht the Dream Team. He just never had the type of pro career that people expected him to have. But during college, he was definitely considered better than Grant. If Grant can someday get back to normal form, he'd be very good. In his prime he was one of the best, there's no denying it.

Some players who could be on the list : Mitch Richmond and Tim Hardway

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