Pacers Players Allegedly Invovled in Bar Fight

[Gundy]

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=2757273

What the hell? They're denying they did anything wrong but I don't know. The Pacers organization really doesn't need another problem.

[Indy]

I think they were just at the wrong place at the wrong time, and got accused for being in a fight they were no part of because of who they are.

First Tinsley supposedly said he was going to kill the manager. Then it was Quis, then Tinsley again.

Then Tinsley got cut on the head during the fight, well he took off his headband after the game today, and I saw nothing.

[Dan's Brain]

good thing jax is gone now. who knows what could have allegedly happened

[Sauru]

something must be in the water in indy

[Indy]

something must be in the water in indy

It's that championship fever.

[BigKaboom2]

Pacers = the new Trailblazers.

[joejam999]

Pacers = the new Trailblazers.

LOL when will these guys learn.

[Christopherson]

wrong place at the wrong time

That seems to be happening a lot for the Pacers players these days. At what point does it stop being "at the wrong place at the wrong time" and become "just being hooligans"?

[Indy]

wrong place at the wrong time

That seems to be happening a lot for the Pacers players these days. At what point does it stop being "at the wrong place at the wrong time" and become "just being hooligans"?

You're right. What the hell were they doing going out to celebrate the Colts Super Bowl?

There was 1 incident earlier this year, and then this one, which seems to be pretty clear they weren't even really involved.

[Sauru]

i gotta tell ya indy, you are the only one i can put up with talking about the colts, and thats only cause you have always been about indy. otherwise i hate the colts and more so than the colts i hate caldwell for completly ruining the entire patriots season all by him self. oh and i hate his big eyes, they creep me out.

[Christopherson]

Indy, how many stories about players from other teams getting in trouble at night clubs have you heard about latley. All I'm saying is that it seems like there are a disprortionate amout of Pacers players getting in trouble at night clubs. Listen, I respect the fact that you are a fanatic about all things Indianapolis. Being a fanatic is what sports is all about. I just don't feel that you view the actions of your players objectively. I've learned over the years that when someone is as passoniate about something as you are about the Pacers/Colts, you have to give thier opinions about thier teams less weight than you normally would. JoeJam says things that are no more ridiculous about the Jazz than what you say about the Pacers, yet he is ridiculed like an idiot. In my mind the only difference between you and him is that you state your opinions more forcefuly and authoritative. There are alot of people on these boards who gain respect for thier opinions not because of their validity, but because of the force with which they were said and the means used to refute other's opinions.

[Indy]

Christopherson, I may tend to be a bit biased, but that doesn't mean that I don't still look at things objectively. I wanted Tinsley traded in the offseason, but it didn't happen, so as long as he is still a Pacer I will root for him to do well. I have wanted Carlisle gone for a long time. If you knew me in the Isiah days, I was one of the dark side Pacer fans. I hated Jalen Rose with a passion, I hated Isiah. I went through a long period of time where I completely disagreed with the way Donnie Walsh went about his business, but I have come around on him, and when he's gone next year I'll miss him. Go back and read what I said about the last nightclub incident after all the details were out. I was extremely critical of Jack, and I said I really didn't believe anything he said anymore.

As far as this incident goes, I really don't think that there is much more that can be said about it then what I said in my first post. All the details that have come out have been extremely sketchy, and don't add up. I don't believe that Tinsley, Quis or Keith were at fault. If something comes out that says that they were, then I would want Tinsley benched and traded as soon as possible, no matter how well he's been playing.

[Christopherson]

My point is that they are stupid for putting themselves in the situation to have something like this blamed on them. I'm not saying that they did it, I'm just saying you don't even here rumors like this about other teams. All of the playing and traveling these guys do takes a big enough toll on their bodies, they dont need to be out a night clubs until 2 a.m. If they are going to stay out late, at least be responsible enough to not be at such seedy joints. Who do you think inspried the league to come out with a list of clubs NBA players were no longer aloud to attend?

[Indy]

All NBA players go out at night and party all the time. That's the lifestyle they live.

[Christopherson]

Indy, its naive to think that. There are plent of NBA players who spend their down time with their familes or doing other wholesome activities. Many of them spend their down time watching film or practicing to make themselves better. You just need to admit that the Pacers have more bad character guys than other teams.

[ThaLiveKing]

LOL, There's a lot of people in Indiana who hate the players, so obviously they are gonna put their names in the paper to make the team look bad!! It sucks that players can't chill in their own city without being blamed for some bullshit

[Sauru]

comes with the job though.

[ThaLiveKing]

Yeah it comes with the Job, but the majority of Pacers fans from what I read through message boards etc. hate all these new players, and we can't win with them because they are so-called gangstas!! Pacer fans are just ignorant and just love to bash their own players

[Sauru]

well, that happens to alot of players on alot of teams in all the sports. look at the yankees. they love every player they get til they make 1 mistake then thier face is all over the papers and tv calling for thier execution.

[ThaLiveKing]

You got a point, can't make everyone happY!!

[Indy]

Yeah it comes with the Job, but the majority of Pacers fans from what I read through message boards etc. hate all these new players, and we can't win with them because they are so-called gangstas!! Pacer fans are just ignorant and just love to bash their own players

Wow... I have no idea what message boards you've been reading. By new guys I assume you mean Dunleavy/Murphy/Diogu, but that doesn't make any sense. Tinsley has been here awhile, and he's the only one people complain about, but it has nothing to do with him being "gangsta". It has to do with his decision making on the floor.

Pacers fans are about as far from ignorant as it gets and that's the reason they are upset. Die-hards that live in Indy really live breath eat sleep walk Pacers. That's their life. They know basketball more then anything, and they watch every Pacers game. They don't accept a mediocre team, and that's all there is to it.

[Gundy]

Tinsley and Daniels Indicted

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I hate the way the media portrays athletes. Whatever these guys did it was probably no worse than being involved in the average scuffle in a bar. If that was just an average Joe there would be no charges and the fight would of been broken up and both sides would have gone their separate ways.

I'm behind these guys 110%, everyone makes mistakes but when your an athlete your in a position where the media can portray you as a "thug". If these guys were gangsters like they are being portrayed, this guy would be dead or in a serious condition.

At some point, Tinsley punched bar manager Mark Nicholson, 42, on the left side of his head, knocking him to his knees, the report said. Nicholson said Daniels and another man began striking him in the face. Other witnesses then separated those involved in the fight.

So Jamaal just randomly hit some bar manager without being forced into some situation where he would need to fight back, then Marquis Daniels and someone else jumped in and started punching the guy while he is on the ground? That makes no sense to me. Jamaal would know that being an athlete, if he does anything wrong he is gonna get scrutinized far more than the average person and lose money. Marquis the same. So why would he put his image and money as an athlete in jeopardy so he can hit a bar manager?

Nicholson suffered a laceration to the forehead and may have lost a tooth in the scuffle, police said.

How the fuck can you not be sure if your missing a tooth?

[ThaLiveKing]

Yeah it comes with the Job, but the majority of Pacers fans from what I read through message boards etc. hate all these new players, and we can't win with them because they are so-called gangstas!! Pacer fans are just ignorant and just love to bash their own players

Wow... I have no idea what message boards you've been reading. By new guys I assume you mean Dunleavy/Murphy/Diogu, but that doesn't make any sense. Tinsley has been here awhile, and he's the only one people complain about, but it has nothing to do with him being "gangsta". It has to do with his decision making on the floor.

Pacers fans are about as far from ignorant as it gets and that's the reason they are upset. Die-hards that live in Indy really live breath eat sleep walk Pacers. That's their life. They know basketball more then anything, and they watch every Pacers game. They don't accept a mediocre team, and that's all there is to it.

Trust me, especially the IndyStar site, OMG, i can't belive the shit I read off of there, it was mainly because of Stephen Jackson, but the majority of things I read is about the so called thugs on the team

[ThaLiveKing]

I hate the way the media portrays athletes. Whatever these guys did it was probably no worse than being involved in the average scuffle in a bar. If that was just an average Joe there would be no charges and the fight would of been broken up and both sides would have gone their separate ways.

I'm behind these guys 110%, everyone makes mistakes but when your an athlete your in a position where the media can portray you as a "thug". If these guys were gangsters like they are being portrayed, this guy would be dead or in a serious condition.

At some point, Tinsley punched bar manager Mark Nicholson, 42, on the left side of his head, knocking him to his knees, the report said. Nicholson said Daniels and another man began striking him in the face. Other witnesses then separated those involved in the fight.

So Jamaal just randomly hit some bar manager without being forced into some situation where he would need to fight back, then Marquis Daniels and someone else jumped in and started punching the guy while he is on the ground? That makes no sense to me. Jamaal would know that being an athlete, if he does anything wrong he is gonna get scrutinized far more than the average person and lose money. Marquis the same. So why would he put his image and money as an athlete in jeopardy so he can hit a bar manager?

Nicholson suffered a laceration to the forehead and may have lost a tooth in the scuffle, police said.

How the fuck can you not be sure if your missing a tooth?

Yo when I read the police report, it's like Tinsley and Marquis got involved for no reason, that's how they made it seem, it didn't make any sense to me, they go from here to there and don't even explain how they got involved, maybe I should read it again. But to me it's smells like bullshit

I rememer being accused of stealing speakers and putting them in my car (that I didn't have) back when I was 17, and the manager and the cop were REALLY harrassing me and my bro, until my mom came to the shop and shut them the fuck up. I don't trust the police, when your a target especially based on your skin colour, they don't give a fuck about you