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Is it Time For Pacers to Change Coaches?

Postby ThaLiveKing on Sun Jan 07, 2007 9:57 am

Or should we just start trading some of these guys. I think Larry needs to come back to the bench. We have so many guys on this team that can play but yet we can't win more than 2 games in a row. We can beat the best teams in the league but we lose to sub .500 teams. What's really wrong with this picture? What happened to the Pacers? Jermaine is frustrated cause everything was supposed to be different this year, He's most likely gone in the offseason if shit don't get corrected
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Postby DatYellowGuy on Sun Jan 07, 2007 6:10 pm

I don't really think a coach has anything to do with a teams record honestly. I mean, no coach is going to make the Knicks winners or the Raiders winners. It's the talent u put into the team.
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Postby --- on Sun Jan 07, 2007 6:28 pm

:lol: The Knicks have Stephon Marbury, Steve Francis, Jamal Crawford, Eddy Curry, Jared Jeffries, Channing Frye, David Lee and Quinton Richardson at their disposal. In my opinion each of these guys are starting caliber players, but the Knicks continue to lose. Why do you think everyone is blaming Isiah?
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Postby maes on Sun Jan 07, 2007 7:40 pm

Gotta disagree that coaches don't matter.

Look at the turnaround in Phoenix. Nash gets too much of the credit that rightly goes to D'Antoni. Phoenix obviously wins because they just play a very different ball game than anyone else...that's coaching.

Look at the difference George Karl made in Denver. Melo could have turned into a very different player on another team where he could have done whatever he wanted as a star rookie. Karl keeps him in check, playing hard, and continually improving. Karl also basically shut out Kenyon Martin...not too many coaches have the power to sit the team's most expensive player, but Karl does whatever he needs to win, if it means pissing off K-Mart, he doesn't care.

And look at the disaster in Seattle. After a 53 win season and a strong performance in the playoffs versus the Spurs (who won on some last second shots), the management brought everybody back except Jerome James and the two best coaches, Nate McMillan & Dwayne Casey. Then Seattle promptly goes into the can ever since. And i don't think it's because we lost Jerome James.
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Postby Matt on Sun Jan 07, 2007 9:15 pm

if coaches don't matter then howcome Riley, Brown, Poppovich, Tomjanovich & Jackson are the only ones to win rings in the last 15yrs? They are all elite coaches.

Why should Indiana fire Carlisle mid-season? They are at a point where they can figure out their problems w/o having to fire the coach. Secondly, if your gonna can someone you better have a replacement ready, someone at least as good....no such coaches.
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Postby ThaLiveKing on Mon Jan 08, 2007 12:30 pm

I'm not saying Rick is a bad coach, I think he's very good at what he does. . .I just never seen a team up and down like this, it's very weird!! One day we're blowing teams out, the next we're getting blown out, remember that Boston series few years back, it was like that!!! I seen Orien Greene play last night, and he seems like a different pg than tinsley, he plays aggressive kinda like Mike James!! Maybe we need more of that
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Postby mvpshaq32 on Mon Jan 08, 2007 3:57 pm

Rick is not a bad coach. He just can't get his team past the 1st or 2nd round. O'Neal already said he thinks the Pacers are only an average team. He will leave if the Pacers don't make any improvement.
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Postby Gedas on Mon Jan 08, 2007 4:13 pm

Ive been saying this the whole time. Hes making this team an average one, with the roster that could match up anyone. Not fitting Saras into his system, this team should play different IMO.
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Postby Axel on Mon Jan 08, 2007 5:25 pm

Saras sucks.

Pacers are an average team in the east, making them one lesser teams in the league. I dont think they are that great. Their bench sucks, and their starters are average-good at best. JO is the only real stand out. Don't get me wrong, I think there is some potential here... and I do think Rick Carlisle is a part of the problem. First off, the team doesn't have a real identity, and that directly correlates to the coach. They're average defensively, and average offensively. I don't know who is available who could make them a better team though, and defensive minded coach who knows how to utilize big men is the key. JO should be playing better than 19 ppg. Regardless though, there isn't anyone on the market that I can think of, so Carlisle will probably be the coach unless the Pacers start to sink way below .500
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Postby Indy on Mon Jan 08, 2007 5:39 pm

The only thing keeping us from being one of the top 3 teams in the East is our lack of consistency. That has to change. We go from looking fantastic for 3 quarters to absolutely miserable in the 4th. We play outstanding ball for stretches and then we look completely lost. I've never seen a team that plays so well at times and completely on the other end of the spectrum other times.

I wanted Rick gone this offseason, but he is not the problem. It isn't even close.

Axel, your wrong saying that JO should get more then 19 a game. He is playing as perfect as possible right now. He is looking to pass constantly, and playing within the flow of the offense. Jamaal and Al have been way too streaky for this team to succeed. They need to play as well as they often do all the time.

I have a ton more I'm going to add to this, but I'm tired as hell.
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Postby madskillionaire on Tue Jan 09, 2007 4:10 am

The Pacers, I believe need more talent...specially in the PG spot. Tinsley is OK.....they need better than OK. About that knicks post, the Knicks problem is an overload of talent...and i dont mean all star game overload. I mean overload in area. Those players like Marbury and Francis need to play on teams where there isnt another player like them. Thats why they fail. JO is putting up great numbers. I would understand if he shot a bad percentage to get 19pts, but hes playing good ball rigiht now. A coach can only do so much for a team.
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Postby ThaLiveKing on Tue Jan 09, 2007 5:38 am

Axel wrote:Saras sucks.

Pacers are an average team in the east, making them one lesser teams in the league. I dont think they are that great. Their bench sucks, and their starters are average-good at best. JO is the only real stand out. Don't get me wrong, I think there is some potential here... and I do think Rick Carlisle is a part of the problem. First off, the team doesn't have a real identity, and that directly correlates to the coach. They're average defensively, and average offensively. I don't know who is available who could make them a better team though, and defensive minded coach who knows how to utilize big men is the key. JO should be playing better than 19 ppg. Regardless though, there isn't anyone on the market that I can think of, so Carlisle will probably be the coach unless the Pacers start to sink way below .500


It may seem that way, but the way the Pacers play, it's not his style, he's more uptempo guy, just like the majority of the Pacers current players!!

Pacers schedule will favor them in the coming weeks, they have a lot of home game coming up. I'm curious to see how theywill do!!

And Indy is right, they would play good for 3 quarters and then get layzie in the 4th. I think Rick should put in the hungry players in the 4th quarter because they will play hard. Orien Green should get more PT he can create off the dribble penetration
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Re: Is it Time For Pacers to Change Coaches?

Postby IndianaPacersMan on Sun Jan 21, 2007 5:21 am

ThaLiveKing wrote:Or should we just start trading some of these guys. I think Larry needs to come back to the bench. We have so many guys on this team that can play but yet we can't win more than 2 games in a row. We can beat the best teams in the league but we lose to sub .500 teams. What's really wrong with this picture? What happened to the Pacers? Jermaine is frustrated cause everything was supposed to be different this year, He's most likely gone in the offseason if shit don't get corrected
I think that something needs to be done to the team. Hopefully this trade will help out.

If not the roster needs to be thrown out and then built back up again.

I think we could trade Jermaine and Tinsley. Then maybe get a few good players at the guard and center positions.
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Postby ThaLiveKing on Sun Jan 21, 2007 1:11 pm

Words of Jermaine O'neal

“Everybody keeps saying that I’m hinting at being traded,” he said. “I’m not hinting at being traded. I want to retire a Pacer, but I want to retire a champion in a Pacers uniform.”
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Postby IndianaPacersMan on Sun Jan 21, 2007 1:24 pm

Well, Hopefully that will happen. Every year it looks like a better year for the pacers. Then it doesn't turn out as well as everyone hopes.

I am hoping that the Pacers can make a turn around and a run to the championship, but I just may have to wait to see what happens in the off season.
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Postby ThaLiveKing on Mon Jan 22, 2007 3:05 am

I think once everything comes into place, We will be a better team!!

The last few years our team was fucked up, since the brawl, I just want to see some consistency
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Postby dada on Mon Jan 22, 2007 3:26 am

Its not Rick's fault there are just overall better teams out there in the NBA so in short no he shouldnt be fired for lack of consistent results.
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Postby IndianaPacersMan on Mon Jan 22, 2007 9:43 am

Hopefully that's what will happen.
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Postby J J on Tue Jan 30, 2007 7:03 pm

As of now I think Indiana got better because of the trade..

Indiana before the trade averaged 95.81 points per game and their opponent averaged 96.38 points per game.

After the trade they averaged 97.80 points per game and their opponent averaged 94.40 points per game.

Also after the trade their 3 PT FG went up by .30%, now that's an improvement. (Y)
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