second all-star balloting returns

by **YaoMing11** on Fri Dec 29, 2006 10:07 am

http://www.nba.com/news/2007_allstar_se ... 61228.html
West:
C Yao Ming 1,411,923
F Tim Duncan 715,916
F Kevin Garnett 785,865
G Kobe Bryant 1,187,505
G Tracy McGrady 1,057,057
allen iverson has 3rd most votes as western guard
East:
C Shaquille O'Neal 855,544
F Chris Bosh 497,283
F LeBron James 1,323,989
G Vince Carter 726,040
G Dwyane Wade 983,321
dwight howard will fill in for shaq if shaq cant play
dwight was listed on the ballot as c so even tho he got more votes than bosh he still wont start

YouTube · by **ThaLiveKing** on Fri Dec 29, 2006 10:13 am

Jermaine is right behind Bosh, Hope to see either of them start and play in the game

by **mvpshaq32** on Fri Dec 29, 2006 1:15 pm

Doesn't look like we'll be featuring any Pistons in this All-Star Game. Glad to see Kidd make it in. Though his team has a pretty crappy record (Hell the whole Atlantic Division is under winning percentage) he is the only guard right now averaging near triple-doubles.

by **---** on Fri Dec 29, 2006 1:32 pm

Say what you want about John Stockton, Magic Johnson, Jason Kidd and Steve Nash, but they can not match Yao when it comes to making your teammates better. Yao makes his teammates all stars just by wearing the same uniform.

by **Awesom3** on Fri Dec 29, 2006 1:47 pm

Flite_23 wrote:Say what you want about John Stockton, Magic Johnson, Jason Kidd and Steve Nash, but they can not match Yao when it comes to making your teammates better. Yao makes his teammates all stars just by wearing the same uniform.

You win. That's the best thing I've ever heard.

by **mvpshaq32** on Fri Dec 29, 2006 3:20 pm

Flite_23 wrote:Say what you want about John Stockton, Magic Johnson, Jason Kidd and Steve Nash, but they can not match Yao when it comes to making your teammates better. Yao makes his teammates all stars just by wearing the same uniform.

Can't argue with that....

by **Eugene** on Fri Dec 29, 2006 3:26 pm

Well, considering only the top vote-getters start anyway, it's unlikely Battier will be picked by the coaches ahead of Odom, Marion or Boozer. That is to say, Battier likely won't be at the All-Star Game, regardless of what the Chinese people want.

And they can't really be blamed, either. Chinese fans of the NBA probably don't get a lot of games other than Rockets, so they won't have the exposure to the other stars. Even if they did, their cultural inclination, that is, their collectivist nature, would compel them to vote for Battier (who's on the same team as Yao) over Lamar Odom (who has no such affiliations). It might make more sense for them to pick based on team-affiliations other than individual accomplishments.

Imagine all 1 billion Chinese people voting for the entire Rockets roster? Thank God the voting isn't skewed like that.

by **mvpshaq32** on Fri Dec 29, 2006 3:35 pm

Eugene wrote:Well, considering only the top vote-getters start anyway, it's unlikely Battier will be picked by the coaches ahead of Odom, Marion or Boozer. That is to say, Battier likely won't be at the All-Star Game, regardless of what the Chinese people want.

And they can't really be blamed, either. Chinese fans of the NBA probably don't get a lot of games other than Rockets, so they won't have the exposure to the other stars. Even if they did, their cultural inclination, that is, their collectivist nature, would compel them to vote for Battier (who's on the same team as Yao) over Lamar Odom (who has no such affiliations). It might make more sense for them to pick based on team-affiliations other than individual accomplishments.

Imagine all 1 billion Chinese people voting for the entire Rockets roster? Thank God the voting isn't skewed like that.

Well I'm Chinese myself and I would vote for Yao myself. But not all Chinese are easily influenced like that. They do have a newspaper with a sports page too.....Some would know well enough Battier isn't All-Star material with the way he is playing right now.

by **J@3** on Fri Dec 29, 2006 3:58 pm

What I'm confused about is the thought process that goes into voting for Battier specifically... I mean I know he's getting votes because he plays for the Rockets, but outside of McGrady and Yao he's a pretty obscure choice from that team. Same with David Wesley the other year.

by **mvpshaq32** on Fri Dec 29, 2006 4:18 pm

Let's just say the only players that will actually play for the All-Star Game are the popular candidates. The big names and are primarily scorers.
The players on the same team as the popular players will help their vote count but will never see an All-Star uniform with their name on it.

by **Awesom3** on Fri Dec 29, 2006 11:59 pm

Eugene wrote:Well, considering only the top vote-getters start anyway, it's unlikely Battier will be picked by the coaches ahead of Odom, Marion or Boozer. That is to say, Battier likely won't be at the All-Star Game, regardless of what the Chinese people want.

And they can't really be blamed, either. Chinese fans of the NBA probably don't get a lot of games other than Rockets, so they won't have the exposure to the other stars. Even if they did, their cultural inclination, that is, their collectivist nature, would compel them to vote for Battier (who's on the same team as Yao) over Lamar Odom (who has no such affiliations). It might make more sense for them to pick based on team-affiliations other than individual accomplishments.

Imagine all 1 billion Chinese people voting for the entire Rockets roster? Thank God the voting isn't skewed like that.

I'm also Chinese. That's not true. Shane Battier is still popular in Memphis and most Rocket Fans might take Battier over other Tim Duncan or Dirk Nowitzki from the other Texas teams. And you can't really argue about voting for Yao Ming. If he wasn't Chinese, he probably wouldn't have made the All-Star team in his rookie season (definitely not over Shaq), maybe not his second year (Amare would've been ahead of him), but last season when Amaré was out and possibly this year. He's still good. Find me a Center that puts up something like 25-10 and that occasional 30-15 (He's scored 30+ points in like 4 straight before he got injured.)

I've been a Rocket fan since the early Yao Ming days (I used to bandwagon) when I thought he sucked. And as a Rocket fan, you'll want to vote for the Rockets. There are some Chinese fans who are all about Rockets. Some are all about AI, LeBron, KG, Kobe and whatever. And there are the Rocket fans, so I wouldn't be all on the case about Battier having such a high amount of votes just because of Yao. There is some effect, but not all.

Why not post who you voted and why?

East
G - Gilbert Arenas - I like him and he's been pretty good lately except for that bad game.
G - Dwyane Wade - Got to go with the hometown hero
F - LeBron James - Do I need an explanation
F - Chris Bosh - I made a deal with my Raptors fan friend that if he voted T-Mac I'll vote Chris Bosh. I probably would've voted Chris Bosh anyway. I don't really like JO and uh... Paul Pierce has been playing well lately.

C - Dwight Howard - I'm not voting for some 32031905 pound injured guy to an All-Star team. I've never liked Shaq too much so Dwight is the man. He's been very good lately too. See his 20-20 games?

West
G - Tracy McGrady - I like him. He's not playing at his old level but I'm not a big fan of Nash or AI. I was surprised to see him lead though.
G - Kobe Bryant - Second best (in my opinion) player in the league right now.
F - Kevin Garnett - Not much of a Nowitzki fan, and I need to give his spot back after he gave it to T-Mac last year.
F - Tim Duncan - Made the same deal with Chris Bosh but with a Spurs fan.
C - Yao Ming - Chinese. Rockets. Good. Too bad there is that chance that he won't make the All-Star game due to injury.

by **Matt** on Sat Dec 30, 2006 1:34 am

Doesn't look like we'll be featuring any Pistons in this All-Star Game

The Pistons will get at least 1 player, maybe two (Billups & Hamilton).....the top teams in the East always have AS players, and that's what Detroit will be when coaches have to vote.

by **cklitsie** on Sat Dec 30, 2006 4:16 am

Omegah wrote:And there are the Rocket fans, so I wouldn't be all on the case about Battier having such a high amount of votes just because of Yao. There is some effect, but not all.

I guarantee you, 80% of his votes are because he's on Yao's team.
He's not that flashy (nor amazingly skilled) player that traditionally gets a lot of votes for the all-star game and realistically there's no way on earth he'd be ahead of Odom, Marion, Boozer, etc. if US residents were the only ones to vote.

by **Sauru** on Sat Dec 30, 2006 5:11 am

Eugene wrote:Well, considering only the top vote-getters start anyway, it's unlikely Battier will be picked by the coaches ahead of Odom, Marion or Boozer. That is to say, Battier likely won't be at the All-Star Game, regardless of what the Chinese people want.

And they can't really be blamed, either. Chinese fans of the NBA probably don't get a lot of games other than Rockets, so they won't have the exposure to the other stars. Even if they did, their cultural inclination, that is, their collectivist nature, would compel them to vote for Battier (who's on the same team as Yao) over Lamar Odom (who has no such affiliations). It might make more sense for them to pick based on team-affiliations other than individual accomplishments.

Imagine all 1 billion Chinese people voting for the entire Rockets roster? Thank God the voting isn't skewed like that.

americans are just as bad as the chinese when it comes to voting for all stars. how many times has a player been named to the team even though they were injured the entire first half of the season. how many times has a big name player made the team even though thier stats were clearly not as good as another players. the all star game is nothing but a fan boys dream game anyway. i still feel they should stop with fan voting and let the players who are playing the best during that season play.

by **mvpshaq32** on Sat Dec 30, 2006 6:08 am

Sauru wrote:americans are just as bad as the chinese when it comes to voting for all stars. how many times has a player been named to the team even though they were injured the entire first half of the season. how many times has a big name player made the team even though thier stats were clearly not as good as another players. the all star game is nothing but a fan boys dream game anyway. i still feel they should stop with fan voting and let the players who are playing the best during that season play.

Well the main case for that currently is Brad Miller and Chris Mihm.

Matt wrote:
Doesn't look like we'll be featuring any Pistons in this All-Star Game

The Pistons will get at least 1 player, maybe two (Billups & Hamilton).....the top teams in the East always have AS players, and that's what Detroit will be when coaches have to vote.

O yea I forgot about the coaches choice. How does that work again?

by **YaoMing11** on Sat Dec 30, 2006 6:09 am

great point sauru.
so here are the projected lineups...
C shaq
PF bosh
SF lebron
SG carter
PG wade
6 dwight
7 arenas
8 j.o.
9 kidd
10 pierce
11 zo
12 sheed

west:
C yao
PF duncan
SF garnett
SG kobe
PG tmac
6 a.i. (sg)
7 nash
8 nowitzki
9 carmelo
10 amare
11 battier marion, odom
12 cp3

by **bigh0rt** on Sat Dec 30, 2006 7:02 am

Sauru wrote:
Eugene wrote:Well, considering only the top vote-getters start anyway, it's unlikely Battier will be picked by the coaches ahead of Odom, Marion or Boozer. That is to say, Battier likely won't be at the All-Star Game, regardless of what the Chinese people want.

And they can't really be blamed, either. Chinese fans of the NBA probably don't get a lot of games other than Rockets, so they won't have the exposure to the other stars. Even if they did, their cultural inclination, that is, their collectivist nature, would compel them to vote for Battier (who's on the same team as Yao) over Lamar Odom (who has no such affiliations). It might make more sense for them to pick based on team-affiliations other than individual accomplishments.

Imagine all 1 billion Chinese people voting for the entire Rockets roster? Thank God the voting isn't skewed like that.

americans are just as bad as the chinese when it comes to voting for all stars. how many times has a player been named to the team even though they were injured the entire first half of the season. how many times has a big name player made the team even though thier stats were clearly not as good as another players. the all star game is nothing but a fan boys dream game anyway. i still feel they should stop with fan voting and let the players who are playing the best during that season play.

Well, now you can debate what exactly the All-Star game is, and who deserves to go. Your post assumes that it's for the players who are having the best statistical seasons to date. Well, what if my criteria are different? Keep in mind, I've never voted for an All-Star game in any sport, but I just like to play devil's advocate a little bit here.

The NBA All-Star game is an Exhibition. Why should I or anyone else feel that we did a disservice by voting for somebody we'd love to see in the game (let's go with Tracy McGrady for example, as he's generally banged up, but you know will get the votes) as opposed to voting for a guy we have zero interest in watching in the game, but has had a hot first half to this season? The game is, afterall, for the fans, right? So, if the fans want T-Mac there crutching up and down the court, and their votes warrant it, we have nobody to blame but ourselves here.

The problem, in my mind, is that they let you vote a billion times... in the MLB All-Star Game last year, I think I remember someone saying you can vote like 40 times? Why? If the MLB can somehow cap it at 40, why not just cap it at 1, and avoid it being spamnation? That's what I don't get, and the big problem I have with how All-Star selection is done; not that the guys who have had a good first half don't always make it to the All-Star game, as that's not the necessary criteria for everybody as far as who should participate in the mid-season festivities.

by **J@3** on Sat Dec 30, 2006 7:20 am

YaoMing11 wrote:great point sauru.
so here are the projected lineups...
C shaq
PF bosh
SF lebron
SG carter
PG wade
6 dwight
7 arenas
8 j.o.
9 kidd
10 pierce
11 zo
12 sheed

west:
C yao
PF duncan
SF garnett
SG kobe
PG tmac
6 a.i. (sg)
7 nash
8 nowitzki
9 carmelo
10 amare
11 battier marion, odom
12 cp3

You tool. The starting 5 for each team is decided by the fan voting, not the entire squad.

by **BOSS** on Sat Dec 30, 2006 7:43 am

And why is Zo on there. Hahaha.
What a joker you are.

by **cklitsie** on Sat Dec 30, 2006 7:55 am

Don't be surprised by his post, it's a returning banned member.

by **scrub** on Sat Dec 30, 2006 8:05 am

I've picked up on a couple of things that seem to be stupid about this year's voting:

- T-Mac is starting ahead of AI. The guy can't average 20 points despite injuries.
- How Stephon Marbury and Steve Francis have more votes than Joe Johnson and Michael Redd.
- Why Francisco Elson is available for selection
- Why Shaq is leading Dwight Howard despite only playing 4 games averaging 14 and 7.
- Why Elton Brand isn't ahead of Shane Battier and Pau Gasol in voting.

by **Drex** on Sat Dec 30, 2006 8:19 am

Because Shaq is more popular than Dwight Howard. You can say the same for the other players you've mentioned.

by **---** on Sat Dec 30, 2006 8:29 am

americans are just as bad as the chinese when it comes to voting for all stars. how many times has a player been named to the team even though they were injured the entire first half of the season. how many times has a big name player made the team even though their stats were clearly not as good as another players. the all star game is nothing but a fan boys dream game anyway. i still feel they should stop with fan voting and let the players who are playing the best during that season play.

I agree with your idea of just losing the fan voting all together, but the rest of your post I sorta disagree on. First of all, Americans voting for guys like Vince Carter despite having bad stats I can live with, because if he can play, he will put on a show.

It's the same with players who make the team despite being injured for most of the season. If they can play during the ASG, then they will bring excitement, that flashy play that everyone wants to see when it comes to the All Star Game.

This is completely different. The Americans voting Vince Carter when he couldn't walk was stupid, because he wasn't going to play anyway. Now though, Shane Battier is listed higher than 2 MVP candidates simply because he plays on the same team as Yao Ming, hence, all the asians love him too. The thing is, Vince Carter - if he could go to the ASG that year, would of been welcomed, maybe he didn't deserve it so much, but he is an ASG staple because of his flashy play.

Shane Battier on the other hand, he is not flashy, he is not talented, he is not a superstar, and he is definitely not what people want to see in the All Star Game, nor is he deserving. Only because he plays on the same team of the best center in the league, who just happens to be from a country that makes up 1/5th of the worlds population does Battier even get mentioned, yet alone mass voted for.

Personally, I would like to see these guys make up the 2007 All Star Teams

Eastern Conference:

C: Dwight Howard
F: Chris Bosh
F: LeBron James
G: Dwyane Wade
G: Gilbert Arenas
-------------------------
F: Paul Pierce
G: Joe Johnson
G: Jason Kidd
F: Jermaine O'Neal
C: Eddy Curry
G: Vince Carter
G: Michael Redd

Western Conference:

C: Yao Ming
F: Kevin Garnett
F: Carmelo Anthony
G: Kobe Bryant
G: Allen Iverson
-------------------------
F: Dirk Nowitzki
G: Steve Nash
F: Carlos Boozer
G: Baron Davis
F: Tim Duncan
G: Ray Allen
C: Amare Stoudemire

I think all these guys are deserving of the title "All Star". If you take a look at those rosters, there is plenty of athleticism, flashy play, dunks, alley oops, crossovers - everything we want to see, but made up of players that deserve to be All Stars.

EDIT: Made 10 man rosters instead of 12. Fixed and players added :doh:

by **bigh0rt** on Sat Dec 30, 2006 11:31 am

he is not talented

Shane Battier is extremely talented.

by **---** on Sat Dec 30, 2006 11:39 am

Kobe Bryant talented?
Allen Iverson talented?
LeBron James talented?

All NBA players are talented, some more than others. When I said "not talented" I meant compared to what an All Star caliber player should be. Shane Battier isn't All Star caliber no matter how many votes he gets.

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