Nash just sealed MVP #2 in my book.

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Nash just sealed MVP #2 in my book.

Postby EGarrett on Fri Mar 10, 2006 12:39 pm

I'm starting to realize that Steve Nash is more than good, he's a f-ing incredible point guard.

Everyone he plays with (Joe Johnson, Quentin Richardson etc) looks like a superstar...then turns to poop when they leave. So they just bring in more guys (Raja Bell, James Jones, Boris Diaw) and Nash makes them all look incredible.

As Charles Barkley pointed out, Tim Thomas walked in off the street after being signed and got 20 points, which he credited entirely to playing with Nash.

What do you think Steve Francis, Stephon Marbury and all these other guys who haven't been on a winning team in years think when they see this? Or when they see a guy like Kidd who hasn't been on a losing team...um...a very long time. Seriously, when was the last time Kidd was on a losing team?

Do you think stuff like this penetrates these guy's skull? Or do they just think something like "Man, if *I* had help like James Jones I'd be an MVP candidate too!"

Oh well.

Nash for MP3.
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Postby J@3 on Fri Mar 10, 2006 12:50 pm

I wouldn't exactly say Joe Johnson is "poop"... the guy's been off the charts lately, and that trade is suddenly starting to look good for Atlanta.

However, I do think he deserves it this season... last season I don't think he should've got it, I mean there were other factors contributing to Phoenix's success apart from Nash, but this season it's almost all him. To lose a 26/10 guy (which is what Amare probably would've put up) for the whole season and STILL be one of the top teams in the league is insane. I'd be happy if he got it, I think he deserves it over Billups and Kobe (unless the Lakers go on some insane run for the final however many games).
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Postby BOSS on Fri Mar 10, 2006 1:17 pm

Ye man.
Nash is one of my players who I want to win MVP.
Puttin up those killer numbers night in and night out.
Has a good supporting cast even without Stoudamire.

NASH FOR "MPFREE"
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Postby DaTruth36 on Fri Mar 10, 2006 1:20 pm

Yeah, Steve Nash is unbelievable. This guy could see you if you were out of the building. He just knows where everyone on the court is, at all times, and he can get around any defense, and find the perfect guy cutting for the alley oop. I would definetly pick him as an MVP candidate.

White man, 2 years in a row MVP baby. White men CAN play. That should be the sequal to White Men Can't Jump.
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Postby BIG GREEN on Fri Mar 10, 2006 1:23 pm

I dont think anyone disputed whether or not white men can play..it's their jumping ability that is suspect. Nash deserves it...but personally i wish Jason Kidd was playing as good as nash and would win it...he's personally my fav PG of all time.
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Postby DaTruth36 on Fri Mar 10, 2006 1:26 pm

Cuz ur from the Bronx..
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Postby BIG GREEN on Fri Mar 10, 2006 1:33 pm

What does that have to do with it? Kidd is from oakland...and i dont like the Nets...i'm a knicks fan. I like kidd soley based on his play.
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Postby Andrew on Fri Mar 10, 2006 2:32 pm

I wasn't a fan of his MVP selection last year because it seemed somewhat of a double standard considering Stockton never got the award and did the same thing, only for a longer period of time and Stock is on another level. But the way he's led the Suns this year without Amare, I have to change my tune. This year his bid is much stronger, he's the frontrunner in my book at the moment.
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Postby Axel on Fri Mar 10, 2006 2:44 pm

Yeah and the Suns are getting destroyed by the Spurs tonight without Nash. I'm so disappointed, I was looking forward to this game being competitive down to the wire... all week long :(

Maybe there will be a good game tomorrow :?
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Postby Unrestrict3D on Fri Mar 10, 2006 3:25 pm

Andrew wrote:I wasn't a fan of his MVP selection last year because it seemed somewhat of a double standard considering Stockton never got the award and did the same thing, only for a longer period of time and Stock is on another level. But the way he's led the Suns this year without Amare, I have to change my tune. This year his bid is much stronger, he's the frontrunner in my book at the moment.


Amen. I do enjoy watching Nash play and he's an amazing player, no doubt. I think you almost have to give him MVP honors with all the injuries the Suns have had this year and yet they've only lost seventeen games thus far (eighteen after tonight possibly).
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Postby Laxation on Fri Mar 10, 2006 3:31 pm

it seems he deserves it more this year than last year, he shouldnt have won it last year but this year he definately deserves it
depends how long he is out with his injury...
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Postby 1CenT on Fri Mar 10, 2006 3:44 pm

his play making is amazing, and also hes really been putting pressure on his defender by his scoring too, if he misses another 2-3 games, and suns keep losing and then get back to winning like 12-13 of the last 15, he MUST get it..
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Postby Nel on Fri Mar 10, 2006 4:32 pm

I love nash and all but you have to give credit also to coach d'antoni, teammates and the system. Being surrounded by a lot of shooters makes the game easy.
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Postby Matt on Fri Mar 10, 2006 4:56 pm

yeah no doubt. You have to give credit to D'Antoni and Shawn Marion.

People say Nash turns shit to gold (JJ, Q, Diaw, Bell) but where was Nash before D'Antoni?

Personally i'd vote Shawn Marion MVP.....i just don't feel comfortable with voting for someone who doesn't excel on both ends of the floor.
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Postby J@3 on Fri Mar 10, 2006 5:04 pm

People say Nash turns shit to gold (JJ, Q, Diaw, Bell) but where was Nash before D'Antoni?


Deep in the play-offs with Dallas I'd assume.
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Postby Amphatoast on Fri Mar 10, 2006 5:11 pm

Matt wrote:
People say Nash turns shit to gold (JJ, Q, Diaw, Bell) but where was Nash before D'Antoni?



he was a maverick
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Postby Matt on Fri Mar 10, 2006 5:24 pm

you weren't supposed to answer that, but the answer i was looking for was just an All-Star PG.
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Postby [L3]1101 on Fri Mar 10, 2006 5:48 pm

Matt wrote:People say Nash turns shit to gold (JJ, Q, Diaw, Bell) but where was Nash before D'Antoni?


We can also look at the other way around. Where was D'Antoni before Nash? i say Nash is what makes D'Antoni's system work. Nash is the core of the team.

edit: sorry quoted you wrong
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Postby magius on Fri Mar 10, 2006 5:52 pm

why the double standard? if you're going to ask where nash was before d'antoni, maybe you should be asking where d'antoni was before nash. how was marion considered before nash? how was jj considered before nash? diaw? bell? amare? q? you can go and on. the fact of the matter is not only does nash make his teammates better... he makes them a lot of money :D

nash for mvp. no doubt, no contest. i would've went with billups earlier, but nash is just consistently surprising me. i don't think any other point guard in nba history could do what he is doing with phoenix. don't misunderstand, i don't think nash could do what stock did or that nash ccould do what magic did or isiah or even kidd or payton (on their respective succesful teams) - but i think it goes both ways. they would've done well, but not as well, both ways. nash may be in a favorable, even perfect, situation to implement his talents, but that is no negative.
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Postby J@3 on Fri Mar 10, 2006 5:54 pm

I think Nash is a prime example of the perfect player for the perfect situation... I don't think he'd have this same impact on every team in the league, but he's one of the few guys in league history who's found a team/set up that fits him perfectly, and obviously he's reaping the benefits of it big time.
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Postby Matt on Fri Mar 10, 2006 8:03 pm

think Nash is a prime example of the perfect player for the perfect situation... I don't think he'd have this same impact on every team in the league, but he's one of the few guys in league history who's found a team/set up that fits him perfectly, and obviously he's reaping the benefits of it big time.


exactly, because there's not much change in his game since he came over from Dallas.

why the double standard? if you're going to ask where nash was before d'antoni, maybe you should be asking where d'antoni was before nash. how was marion considered before nash? how was jj considered before nash? diaw? bell? amare? q? you can go and on. the fact of the matter is not only does nash make his teammates better... he makes them a lot of money


Marion was still an excellent player before Nash. JJ, Diaw, Bell were all good too but the Phoenix system makes them better....Bell was always a good 3 shooter and a good defender, in Phoenix he shines, Diaw was also good in ATL although unpolished, JJ likewise was versatile and developing. Q's only strength was the 3 and that showed in Phoenix.

Theres a lot more factors to Phx success than Nash. Colangelo got a nice group of players together that fit in well with what D'Antoni wanted to do
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Postby Unrestrict3D on Fri Mar 10, 2006 8:07 pm

Nash makes his teamates look good just like Stockton did while he played in Utah. He's a one of a kind player and to me he's John Stockton with a little less defensive awareness, very nice player.
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Postby allamerican08 on Fri Mar 10, 2006 8:18 pm

You are right about one thing, D'antoni and Nash is a merridge made in heaven. He tried to teach Marbury and Penny before they got nash, but they just didnt buy it.
The main reason all these players are shining is:
(1) they are on the winning team, when ur on the winning team even the 15th man get ESPN highlight time.

(2)they are pro players who have all sorts of skills. As players they can score. The only thing that prevents then from scoring on other teams is that they dont get the ball. Diaw for exaple played most his time with Walker, Shareef, Terry. Try to get the ball out of thier hand and into some international youngster! Nash give everyone the ball therfore they all can score! The reason JJ is so good now is cuz he has the ball by defult! He plays the PG and he can shoot whenever he wants!

But on the other hand Suns have to be the most unstable teams in the league (from those who actualy win). When they loose nash...thats it.. they cant win nothing! I guess in part u have to blame GM and coach.
coach for playing same starters for 90% of the game. And GM for trading away and not getting any back-up talent!

NASH MVP!!!!
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Postby zmac on Fri Mar 10, 2006 8:52 pm

Matt wrote:Personally i'd vote Shawn Marion MVP.....i just don't feel comfortable with voting for someone who doesn't excel on both ends of the floor.

Exactly where I look at it from. Thats why Id either vote, Billups, Marion or maybe Kobe.
But I guess you have to wait til the end of the season to see the records of teams and how the players finish up.
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Postby Null17 on Fri Mar 10, 2006 9:26 pm

Like many, I didn't think he deserved it last year but this year is a different story. Especially with Amare out for most of the season
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