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Auer-back: Tweaks P-Jax

Postby J-Smoove on Thu Nov 03, 2005 12:59 pm

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/columns/story?columnist=sheridan_chris&id=2211964

BOSTON -- Red Auerbach was happy, healthy and cantankerous as ever Wednesday night as he made it to what he estimated was his 50th Boston Celtics home opener.

Just two weeks after leaving a hospital following his third successive medical emergency, Auerbach traveled from his home in Washington along with two doctors and his daughter, Nancy, aboard Celtics owner Wyc Grousbeck's private plane for the home opener against the New York Knicks.

Auerbach, who won nine NBA titles while coaching the Celtics -- a record that stood for 36 years until Phil Jackson matched it in 2002 -- still holds the title of team president.

Auerbach couldn't help himself from taking a few shots at Jackson, a man he respects but doesn't particularly admire.

"Phil obviously is a good coach, you don't win that many games without being a good coach. One thing, though. He's been very fortunate. He picks his spots. That's all I can say. Larry Brown doesn't pick his spots. He's a great coach," Auerbach said.

Auerbach said he did not hear from Jackson or receive any get-well messages from the Lakers' coach while he was hospitalized during the summer and early fall, first for an intestinal blockage, then for internal bleeding caused by a cyst, and a third time after fluid built up in his lungs from post-surgical inactivity. The latter ailment kept the 88-year-old Auerbach hospitalized almost three weeks.

Auerbach also took a swipe at both Brown and Jackson for taking over teams coming off miserable seasons.

"Phil Jackson, they've got a pretty good ballclub out there, but he's got his built-in excuse. Larry Brown, whatever he does is a plus, so they've got everything going for them," Auerbach said. "You could have taken -- I won't say anybody, but you can take any knowledgeable coach and put them in those situations, and they can't do any worse. If L.A. doesn't make the playoffs, it's building. If New York doesn't make the playoffs, we're building, you know?"

Auerbach also predicted the San Antonio Spurs will not win the 2006 NBA championship, though he didn't explain his reasoning. "I know they're not going to win it," he said.

Wearing a white sweater with a Celtics logo beneath his tan sports coat, Auerbach spoke with reporters for about 10 minutes more than two hours prior to the start of the Knicks-Celtics game. Afterward, he met briefly with Brown.

"He's a phenomenal man. I was hoping he'd be at the first game," Brown said.


I'm sick and tired of Red Auerbach. The man is full of himself. Does he not ever accept Phil Jackson as a better coach than him? Always calling him lucky (mj-scottie, kobe-shaq), but lets think bout RED's luck. he's been fortunate to coach well over 5 HOFers. WHY WONT THIS GUY JUST SHUT UP AND STOP DEGRADE P-JAX.

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Postby j.23 on Thu Nov 03, 2005 1:03 pm

i agree
the guy makes it seem like the people he's coached were total bums.
oh well, i'd be pissed too if my 36 year record was broken :roll: :lol:
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Postby dada on Thu Nov 03, 2005 1:05 pm

ive learned to just let old people be. make them say or do whatever makes them happy in their last days.
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Postby Andrew on Thu Nov 03, 2005 10:33 pm

I would've thought Red has earned more respect than a one-fingered salute. But I can see where you're coming from and I kind of feel the same way at times. There are a few folks from the earlier days of the league who basically try to bury the generations that have followed them and do sometimes come off as being grumpy - and/or egotistical - old men. But then there are folks like Bill Russell, Bob Cousy and the late George Mikan that are true class acts, taking pride in their careers and era but expressing admiration and praise for the men that followed in their footsteps.
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Postby air gordon on Fri Nov 04, 2005 5:12 am

i would've thought Red has earned more respect than a one-fingered salute

yeh indeed...

bill russell may be a class act but he remains quite egotisitcal when comparing his celtic teams to great teams of the 80s & 90s
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Postby Andrew on Fri Nov 04, 2005 9:28 pm

That's true, but former greats such as the late Wilt Chamberlain and Oscar Robertson were/are more likely to put down the following generations. Bill Russell also won a lot more than they did, so one could probably excuse him for his point of view on the great teams.
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Postby Bang on Sat Nov 05, 2005 6:18 am

How can Auerbach say Phil Jackson was fortunate to have good teams when Auerbach had Bill Russell, Bob Cousy and whoever else there was. He probably had much more hall of famers during his run than any other coach!
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Postby shadowgrin on Sat Nov 05, 2005 6:46 am

Auerbach did win the most number of consecutive championships with his players.
As for the number of HOF's that played for him, he managed to produce championship teams with what he has.

Who can forget Phil having Payton, Malone, Kobe, and Shaq in one team, but never coming up with the championship. Some will reiterate again it was all because of chemistry, blah, blah.

Point is, Red managed to coach his HOF's and their egos to win a shite load of championships. While Phil failed in that one. (Phil is still a great coach though)
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Postby Drex on Sat Nov 05, 2005 11:42 am

Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't Auerbach also drafted all those guys that played for him??
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Postby air gordon on Sat Nov 05, 2005 5:37 pm

Drex wrote:Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't Auerbach also drafted all those guys that played for him??

yes i believe auerbach was gm/coach
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Postby Andrew on Sun Nov 06, 2005 10:18 pm

Not to downplay Red's success, but certain circumstances do make it more difficult to assemble such a dynasty these days. The salary cap is the most obvious factor that prevents teams from keeping the same talent-filled roster year in and year out, but there's a different attitude about player development and playing time these days.

As up and coming players start showing signs of being stars or even just superb role players, they're usually offered big bucks to jump ship and take the opportunity, either by forcing a trade or simply signing elsewhere if they can. Compare that to the Celtics of the 60s, who were able to replace their Hall of Famers with more Hall of Famers as players like Bob Cousy, Bill Sharman and so on retired and players like John Havlicek and Sam Jones took their place. These days, a player in Havlicek's position would probably look to make big bucks and score a starring role elsewhere, a la Joe Johnson.

But that doesn't take away from the fact Red was able to assemble a team that could re-invent itself while still being successful, manage all the egos and devise strategies that kept Boston on top during the decade.
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Postby putodelagoa on Sun Nov 06, 2005 11:53 pm

These days, a player in Havlicek's position would probably look to make big bucks and score a starring role elsewhere, a la Joe Johnson.


Please, don't use Havlicek and Joe Johnson in the same sentence :mrgreen:

My apreciation on Red's work is that he's always had a great eye for talent. He didn't just coached his teams. He built them, and the episodes concerning his maneuvers to get the players he wanted, are just great. The way he saw how a offensively challenged player like Russel could change the way the Game was played is something unparalled.
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Postby Andrew on Tue Nov 08, 2005 7:28 pm

Don't worry, any comparisons were merely based on similarities in their place in the pecking order, not their talents. ;) Also, I wouldn't have called Bill Russell offensively challenged. From all accounts Russell was certainly a capable scorer but as he himself once put it, there was no need for him to go out and score 20, 30, 40 points because that simply wasn't his role in the Celtics' offense. I think the fact he was such a fine defender also overshadows his offensive game a little.
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Postby Repole on Wed Nov 09, 2005 11:58 am

air gordon wrote:
Drex wrote:Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't Auerbach also drafted all those guys that played for him??

yes i believe auerbach was gm/coach


Ah and you see, there's the key

Did Jackson draft MJ and develup him in the early parts of his career? No. Jackson took over a Bulls team already in contention, whoopty do for putting them over the top.

Red drafted or somehow acquired every player that ever played for him. He built those teams, he develuped those teams, and he finally won with those teams. Jackson didnt do this, he skipped the first two steps and went straight to winning. He's an overrated coach in my books, a very good coach, but not a legend like some seem to think. A legend should have been able to win with kobe, shaq, malone, payton...and don't give me this too many stars shit, it was phil's job to keep those guys happy.
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